Comments : A New Generation Of Poets

  • 8 years ago

    by Ben Pickard

    Lucero,

    wink :) You probably know my view, then. Personally, I believe everything good should be kept, and built upon. Not torn down and destroyed. Words - in all their forms and capacities - are all that matter. Surely, the more we have of them at our disposal, the richer all our experiences will be. Why must we continue drawing lines and hemming ourselves in? Just enjoy and write beautiful words. If it is pleasing to read, it is poetry. Things don't have to be more complicated than that.
    I think we are in danger of trying to apply science to the complete antithesis of anything scientific: poetry. There are no rules and should be no regulations in art. A sonnet may please one, but not the other. Free verse may be glorified prose to one but not the other. But, if it connects with and affects just one person, then you have written something of value - who cares if a hundred others hated it?

    If we are all just passionate about poetry - and all it encompasses - then poetry will/ can be great again. But who can call themselves artists while tearing down and bickering about the art they proclaim to love?

    Personally, I love writing/reading poetry in all its many forms and that, I believe, is the only way forward.

    All the best

    • 8 years ago

      by Everlasting

      Hmm, I think the misunderstanding often lies in attributing old English to form poetry. Old English is the language used (thee, thou, art, etc) not the form. Modern English can still use the different forms of poetry. Free verse is a form of poetry that still has restrictions but according to the poet.

      Also many believe iambic is old English. Iambic is a type of metrical pattern, the same as trochee, dactyl, anapest, spondee. Except that iambic is closest to normal speech. People can speak in iambic and not even realize it. It's so close to common English that's why is the easiest to write.

      In turn, people close themselves to believe that poetry is meant to be written in Old English. And also believe that sonnets need to be written like Shakespeare - using
      Only iambic, but nope.

      Edit: I identify with Dante rather than Shakespeare. I'm more about writing what one feels at the moment of writing than coming up with ideas that sound pleasing (though I'm not really familiar with Shakespeare so I might be mistaken on my thinking of how he wrote)

      We have a similar point of view, except that I disagree... on the part about "if it's pleasing to read is poetry"... you know my view - poetry is written thought.

  • 8 years ago

    by Brenda

    I liked this a lot. It's true we don't speak old English in everyday conversation and our newer writing tend to lean towards current wording. I too believe we should remember our Grammer and such when we write. But also poetry is someone's personal take on an event or experience. Just as beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so is writing. What might work for one does not for another. Sometimes just getting it out into paper is a herculean task in itself.

  • 8 years ago

    by Ben Pickard

    Technically, English sonnets are always written in iambic pentameter "With only a rare exception, the meter is iambic pentameter". (Wikipedia) - not exclusively - but usually. That's just one of the rules.
    I can't personally accept that poetry is just 'written thought' else it may as well be a diary entry. Poetry has to be poetic or it insults the concept of poetry itself. (My opinion).
    I read once that free verse is like 'playing tennis without the net.' I disagree with that but I do agree with the idea the free verse is anything but free -it takes work and imagination. But again, all these are just personal ideas and beliefs - that's what makes poetry great. People shouldn't say what should or shouldn't be poetry or what style of English we should write in - just write!
    As to the old English thing, I say again: the more we use and utilize, the better. Language is a combination and accumulation down the years - we should harvest everything at our disposal and make use of it, not just resign it to yesteryear because it's 'old'. If it's good, keep it, if not, trash it. But try and build.

    Interesting thoughts.

    • 8 years ago

      by Everlasting

      "I can't personally accept that poetry is just 'written thought' else it may as well be a diary entry. "

      ^ that's where the concept of quality comes into play. A diary entry and anything written can make a mind feel something and that's what poetry does, it makes one feel.

      As far as old English, some of the words have already been discarded out of the dictionaries and some have change meaning. It's useless to employ what other people will not understand, unless, your purpose is for only yourself to understand it, then by all means.

      As far as poetic technics, learn as many as you can. It doesn't hurt. It helps one to express ourselves better.

  • 8 years ago

    by Em

    Excellent stuff :)

  • 8 years ago

    by Ben Pickard

    Without 'old English' there would be no 'new English' - it's almost absurd to segregate them. English is just English that has evolved and developed over time. As above, take what's good and use it and discard the bad - but just write. As long as we fence poetry in, it will be limited. To say 'it's pointless writing in old English' is the same kind of thinking that so hampered free verse. Just open yourself to everything.

    And as far as introducing quality goes, well then you introduce the likelihood of it being a pleasure to read, which brings me back to my point: if it's poetic, it's poetry. There's no escaping the fact that poetry - ultimately - has to resonate on a pleasing and articulate level.
    Take care, Lucero

    • 8 years ago

      by Everlasting

      Oops, I meant to say that for something to be "pleasing" or "beautiful" or "unpleasantly beautifull" or "beautifully unpleasant, it's where the quality comes into play. The quality is what distinguishes an expert poet from an amateur poet. But ultimately both are poets. Literally, anyone who writes what he feels at the moment of writing is a poet. Anyone who writes can be consider a poet in my eyes. Literally, anyone is a poet yet not everyone is. There are the illiterate who can't write. But hey, if anyone writes what the illiterate person says he feels then that someone can make the illiterate person a poet. He or she had his her thoughts written for him/her.

      But just because something written does not have quality, it doesn't make it not poetry. Because anything written that is processed by the mind can incite feeling.
      Therefore, poetry is written thought. People recite written thought. (Though People recite quality poetry for the most part.)

      But hey! Even prose is poetry. Peer reviews can be poetry. Essays can be poetry not of the highest quality (in my opinion), but is poetry.

      It's just me, poetry is everything that is written. And Everything written are thoughts.

      I see what you mean by the old English, I think you are pretty much repeating what I said on my poem. The words have evolved and have adapted to meet our current needs of expression (hence, my logic is why used words that have been forgotten and that have already been transformed into a newer word. Though If you want to used them, by all means, you can run the risk of not being understood or bring them back but that's your choice) nothing wrong with that. My preference - just write what you feel like writing. We are a new generation of poets. We can doing our own thing.

      By the way, there are unpleasant poems. I stumbled upon one that made me laugh and at the same time get angry. It was unplesant. Though it made me laugh. It made me feel angry. I dislike it but darn I liked it because it managed to make me feel both ways.... that poem had quality. Oh that was no amateur poet.

      Anyhow, ciao. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. It's a pleasure to read them.