Miss-understood *cutters*

Wow, about 100 new posts in this one in a day?

This topic doesn't seem to be about cutting anymore, it seems to be more about opinions being right or wrong.

anyways, you're saying that they asked for help? They may have at some point, but not on this thread.

It was started to try and clear up some sterotypes and turned into an arguement. I was surprised it didn't get locked at one point.

I know a lot of cutters, and I think some of them do kind of do it for attention. They want to get caught and to get help. I mean, who wants to be miserable and making cuts in yourself? It calms you down, yeah, but it doesn't make you happy. I s'pose I'll get yelled at for that?

But wow. You're all yelling at people for not accepting your opinions, but you aren't excepting thiers either.

No where on here did it say that this thread was for cutters only. Of course other people were going to comment and have an opinion. Isn't that the whole point of having a discussion on it?

It isn't much of a real discussion if everyone agrees. The people who disagree is what made you all post so much, without it, this would most likely be a few pages back by now. You need the disagreement for any of you to learn anything from the threads...

*Cutters only* posts always seem to turn into handy 'tips of the trade' columns after ten or fifteen posts. What to use, where to cut, how to hide and treat properly... they should be instantly deleted.

Its not your fault

Well, hey, at least people actually posted on this one, Jj. I mean, it has over 200 posts.

Did you know you get awards for posting on forums?
I found that out today.

...sorry random and completely off topic.

hah wow.

JJ, that's great.

and Bob, you lost me.

I resent that last bit of your post Bob. Are you trying to imply that everyone who is suicidal and self harms, is weak???? Mental health is not necessarily due to someones situation....

How can I not take it personally? I've had 4 failed suicide attempts and I self harmed for 4 years. So that makes me therefore weak????

I battled damn hard with my self harm and suicidal tendencies, and now I'm 3 months clean of cutting and 6 months clean of an attempt. I was sexually abused when I was 12, and have also come to terms with that. And that makes me weak??? I've had to be damn strong to get through what I've gone through. No I havn't had the hardest life ever, but it has taken a hell of a lot of strength to get me to here today.

I'm not going to apologize if im taking this out of context. I find it v insulting.

"as for you taking the word weak personal, don't unless of course it will propell you to become even stronger, and if that can happen than yes you're weak.....weak weak weak....now get busy"

Girls, instead of getting pissy you should read deeper into what Bob is saying. We're hardliners, we don't pussy foot around issues, we say it like we see it. If you get angry then use it, just like Bob suggested you do.

(didn't see your post before I added mine, Bob.)

I think the both of you understand that others are just as argumentative as yourselves, for good reason.

I know you accept opinions and challenge them, but there's a difference between being honest and being hurtful.

The way you phrase things has a dramatic affect on others, untentional or intentional it makes barely any difference whatsoever.

I think you should both ahve more compassion for those who are struggling. The majority of the time it's not by choice they're 'weak' but have been put down so many times they're getting tired of snapping back up, knowing they'll be pushed right back down.

I'm sure you can udnerstand that and I don't see why you're more compassionate.
It's rude.

-Laura.

I'm not getting pissy...

Theres a difference between being a hardliner, and being insulting. And I am being 'real' about this...at the time when I was self harming/having suicide attempts, i did genuinely think I was weak, but I realise I wasn't, I had inner strength and thats what I found.

My suicide attempts were because I was really at the end of my tether, I began hallucinating, and I practically lost myself. I was strong at the time, to try and physically stop myself from making more attempts....but sometimes strength on its own isn't enough.

And as childish as this is, I have just one other thing to say..

HA!

Sorry for my immaturity, I know it was wrong, but had to be said. I apologise.

Nicely put Laura x

moments of weakness are found in everyone.. even myself. I was weak.. so mentally weak I was lead into the underworld of prize fighting. But that turned out to be my school of hard knocks.

Don't expect me to sugar coat anything. I'll say it like it is and hope it hurts enough to motivate. Mental anguish and anger are the best motivators. Admitting to yourself that you have moments of weakness is the first step. Toni, you took it in a round about way. You did have moments of weakness, but your inner strength shined through.

It's nothing to be ashamed of, we're human after all.

Nobody's asking you to sugar coat anything. Sugar coating implies masking the truth, and edging around a subject instead of targetting it head on.

That's not what we're annoyed about. We're getting 'pissy' at the fact that you don't have the ability to phrase things in a certain way as to not insult anybody.

I'm happy to post my views and to accept yours, but I don't like it when people get far too blunt and honesty becomes too personal and is seen as insulting. It's one thing to express your views openly, It's quite another to do it and insult somebody when It could've been prevented with simple re-phrasing.

-Laura.

I agree, everyone has moments of weakness, I've had mine, thats just natural...it doesn't necessarily make the person altogether 'weak' though.... Does anyone see where I'm coming from?

I do bumweed :)

If wanted to insult you'd know all about it. There is a big difference between seeing something as insulting and intending to insult. If you were to take something I say as insulting, even though that wasn't the intention then it is your problem, not ours.

Honestly I would say this a case of a storm in a tea cup in a storm. Blown up way out of proportion thanks once again to political correctness. You would never have been insulted if you, me, Bob and Toni were sitting around a table face to face.

It's just a kick up the arse wake up call.

I agree, there is a difference. However, being called 'weak' is a blaitant insult. Granted, you weren't the one who said it, but you can, at times, be just as inconsiderate with what you say.

There is also a difference between being honest and insulting as I have so clearly stated.

It's funny how you assume I'm the only one that's insulted..

-Laura.

Actually (rightly or wrongly) I assume that in fact, you're not insulted, but taking the insulted point of view. Toni and Dragonfly are clearly insulted, but you and I seem to debate matters like this on a more personal level so I direct my posts to you because of that.

Slightly confused..

You chose to aim your posts directly at me so you can insult me?

-Laura.

No, not at all.. I'm not intentionally insulting anyone, least of all you, Laura. I'm just saying that as soon as you entered the conversation I can trust you to look at everything objectively whether you agree with it or not, which makes you a great person to discuss things with.

So you're saying I'm not insulted, but that I'm agreeing with Toni and Dragonfly because I feel It's the right 'side' so to speak?

-Laura.

Hang aboot where did the whole political correctness come from??? Nothing is blown up, I'm not making a big deal, was just posting my feelings/opinion. I was insulted by some of Bobs post, not your post Bret...although the 'dont get pissy girls' was a tad chauvanistic...but i chose to ignore that....

'everyone say their honest opinion about the cutters'

For someone who frowns upon generalisation, you seem to be very good at it.

-Laura.

Toni, you and Dragonfly are both under 18 and therefore girls. If I had said the same to someone like August and Viola it would have been don't get pissy boys. Be offended if'n you like but there's nothing behind it. Your views are kinda growing on me, keep it up.

Laura, read into it whatever like, mate.

By the way, I don't do cat fights, I just discuss and give views that make people think and feel.

It was never turning into a cat fight, was just a discussion....

My post was aimed at Kitty by the way

p.s Im 18 this year n would like to be known as a young lady not a girl thankyou! :-p

*laughs* My wife is 32 and she's my girl. Don't read too much into my rambling.. well on the frivilous side of things anyway.

Bret you have an extrodinary habit of un-intentionally confusing me. Well done :S

-Laura.

Well if you say it like 'shes my girl' thats affectionate isn't it....but if your just calling someone a girl...thats different :-p....don't read too much into my rambling!

Laura - You're more than welcome.

Toni - legally I'm still right, it's just your ego bubbles being burst.

I never said thankyou..

-Laura.

If its my supposed ego bubbles bursting, Then i hope they burst in your face :-D

Laura - Well done can be construed as a thank you.

Toni - It isn't supposed, analyze your need to be called a young lady and you'll see what I mean. Them bubbles feel great by the way!

It isn't a need, I was just waffling on. Don't take it too seriously!

I've told you before, don't assume things with me.

-Laura.