Marine throwing puppy off cliff

Tony blair was a moron, he was always a moron and he never made the right decision, but that's what you get for being labour, and what do we have now? another labour. Tony blair took whatever was fashionable and took it to new lengths, all he wanted was to be liked, loved and fancied, and the only thing he did in the government was tax people, so really, like everyone else, i agree that England has turned into an embarrassment.

Think that's the first thing I've agreed with Lucy on.

Hey I thought we agreed on the whole global warming is fake thing too :[

Oh! That too!

WONDERFUL.

i will watch the rest of hallam foe. enjoy your weekend ryan.

Same to you.

Oh boo hoo fighting each other and biting humans? dogs (other than the RARE, RARE few that are mentally wrecked, which in most case is due to being abused by what, humans? ohh!) never attack you unless they have a reason, or any animal for that matter.

other than the ONE animal i have heard of that was sadist, unlike the hundreds of humans we can name from history, some of which are alive right now, dogs always have a reason to "bite" you, say, you provoking it. and what about the gangs that 'have beef' or hate on each other in new york or london just because? the random shooting and rapes in dark alleys? the racism, the terrorist attacks, concentration camps, the atom bomb, what about all of them compared to your dog biting you.

oh dear.
whinge whinge.

And where did i say that dogs were the only things fighting each other?

I wasted my time just because YOU specifically used a dog as your example? it could have been any animal, or all of them, that i focused on, and my point would remain.

basically we are not protecting animals, things that we should love, instead we hunt them, kill them, hit them, abuse them, don't feed them and altogether neglect them. ("we" as in the great deal of chinamen who hunt whales, or the people who buy a dog just to take their anger out on them, or buy a cat just to leave it out in the rain, etc.)

I don't see how I wasted my time at all.

Frenchboys is my other account, you are talking to the same person. i thought that would have been obvious, so i didn't feel the need to tell you- obviously not.

what does the army having an animal care specialist have to do with the fact that someone kills an animal? this is not what i am talking about at all. as much as you are trying to force me into debating the army/marines, i am sticking to what i have said. my post was not a waste of time, i feel as if i have gotten my point across, you are just too narrowminded to see where i am coming from.

good day.

I figured you would have realised only because i was responding on both accounts, differing and responding the same way the other had, but, you never know.

As someone else stated, it could have been ANYONE that did it, it wasn't SPECIFICALLY about that singular person FROM the marines throwing the puppy. you are persistently bringing up the fact that somebody from the marines did it, and everything to do with that, i am merely talking about animal abuse, which i realise there have been two current threads on, but this one was made first.

I -know- it has nothing to do with you but you still insist that humans are more important than animals, or at least that's what i got from your first comment.

anyway, we are obviously bashing heads.

But animal control just puts pets down. they don't give the animals a second chance at life. "no questions just kill" is what their moto should be.

I guess I'm just confused about two things...

1. Just because a dog means less to us than another human, does that give us a right to abuse or kill it? I can hardly think of a situation where someone is asked to choose between the life of a dog and the life of a human, so I don't see how that's necessary to bring up. Saving a dog doesn't mean you must necessarily give up a human life.

2. If humans are more worthy of life (as you particularly seem to be espousing, RickyH) how does that fit into your justification of war, which certainly brings about more unnecessary human carnage than most other endeavors...?

I'm just curious, I suppose.

See, that sums you up. not the worst thing in the world. so someone going to war, a manmade thing, and being killed, isn't as important as an animal being tortured to death?

i do not understand your view point at all. and tell me, did you choose to go into the army? there is always potential death in war, i mean, isn't that what you're there for? to be killed? because i hardly see any other use in it, for all it ever brings back is strife to people's wives and families. as somebody else stated, to make it more clear, it doesn't matter who exactly threw the puppy, it was the fact that they did it. why on earth this whole thing has turned into a war debate and "you should love your family more".

i would save my brother, because i do not have a dog. i am scared of them :] that still doesn't mean that i do not care about their rights, and as sib said, what position are you ever in where you have to choose? this is a debate, not a consequence.

I understand saving a dog is not the same as saving somebody close to you, but some people's best friend, or only family, is their dog, so inevitably, they will save them.

and it is not backward, because I do not know your army friend, I think animal life is just as important as human life, and they were also here first. and I also think it is a matter of opinion, you may think that your friend is more important, I don't. so I think we have a bit of a nerve stepping in and torturing them just because a lot of us are cruel and heartless. and I honestly don't think it matters if people feel guilty because they never do anything about it, or that will help animals stop being abused. sure, some people don't have the money to donate to charities without looking after themselves first, but animals are still being killed out there. skinned alive. beaten to death. starving, cold, foodless and homeless, and it isn't fair at all that we place ourselves over and above everything else because we think we're the sh&t.

We aren't.

Actually, i'm not fond of any of my old school friends because none of us were exactly close, but i understand that i have friends now i would definitely stick up for.

I think we both subconsciously agree, we just had a tricky time getting here and meeting halfway. I am not in an animal support group nor am i doing bugger all to help animals other than using my mouth as a weapon (or fingers, whatev.) but i, and i think you do too, still think animal abuse is wrong, and that animals ARE important and don't deserve to be treated the way that some unfortunately do.

''One more thing Ryan
Believe it or not but the Canadian military has been in Iraq since day 1. A very small number but they' are there still.''

I know JTF has been there. And the guy that threw the puppy did get introuble he was a soldier that lived in Hawii.

Bob, I've always have stated. We're over there fighting farmers trying to defend their land. Or at least that's what it seems like. I do not believe in the ''war'' which it isn't. It's a nuke Vs an ant.

Also, RickyH show me progress in Iraq please? Blowing 1 trillion dollars sending your country into debt. Making gas prices jump 120 dollars a barrel. Accusing other countries of having WMDs. Have on the table another war against Iran. killing over 100,000 civilians in Iraq. And 4,000 of your own. If that is progress. We need to call up the Webster and tell them to fix the definition. Also, may I add... the false war on Terriorism isn't progress either. Thank you Stalin for making up Terrorism!

I sent you a private message answering your question.

I can currently only find the CNN story where the head of the Marines said:

This is a shocking and deplorable video that is contrary to the high standards that we set for every Marine, Marine Corps spokesman Maj. Chris Perrine said at a news conference Monday night.

We will investigate this and take appropriate actions, Perrine said.

He said the Marine is being kept safe in view of the anger over the alleged incident.

So, on that alone someone really did it. Because they are being kept safe. I'll try to dig for more but I don't need to slap the guys name right on here.

"Animals do more polluting than we do in Carbon nuff said about having to get off it."

^^Hahaha - that has to be one of the most ignorant statements I've heard in a looooong time. Wow. I guess its all those chimps that have started smoking - and WHO is going to stop those snakes driving their V8s around like hoooligans! I just wish those cool cats could see they're harming the environment with their ever-increasing flights around the world... *sigh* They'll be the death of us, those damn rascals...

As for this discussion - as Sibs outlined so well - I dont see that you have a quota to fulfil when you join the army about how many lives you have to end "Please tick one of the below - which lives would you rather end - a puppy's or one of your buddies?" Its not like he killed the puppy to save one of this comrade's lives. And sure, he might be numb in his heart from what he's experienced over there (and Im not going to get into the rights or wrongs of the war as its not necessary to the discussion of cruelty to animals) but it still doesn't excuse what he's done - he needs help maybe - sure, give him help - but dont devalue the life of an animals because he's out there fighting for his country. Its like chalk and cheese.

I'll choose the cheese every time.

I've researched this, and found to agree with Sluvious and those that support that this is animal cruelty... I've researched on Prolonged Duress Stress Disorder and found that this is not the case... I've seen the arguments supporting the marines...

The youtube video have shown that the two men knew what they were doing. this was a premeditated crime...

It was sad watching them laugh as the dog yelped to his death, I sadly find that excusing murder of any kind... truly no worse than them...

I found that certain individuals love the position of power they were in torturing those weaker than them and that no man can or should excuse

^^Hahaha - that has to be one of the most ignorant statements I've heard in a looooong time. Wow. I guess its all those chimps that have started smoking - and WHO is going to stop those snakes driving their V8s around like hoooligans! I just wish those cool cats could see they're harming the environment with their ever-increasing flights around the world... *sigh* They'll be the death of us, those damn rascals...

I ACTUALLY LOVE YOU MO. I laughed, but in all seriousness, i agree with everything you said.

I found that certain individuals love the position of power they were in torturing those weaker than them and that no man can or should excuse

and yeah, anybody who abuses animals, children, old people, their wife etc, has an untreatable case of "Little man syndrome". It's a common illness.

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