peeps who are non believers...this is the place for u

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can ne one talk in leet?

"Preach"

~Ciao Lipton

Watch the language Zoey, there are youngsters in here, i edited you ok.

Maybe they feel that way because why would God put them in there? if he did then they feel if he does exist why is he cruel?

I don't believe, because I asked for help lots of times when I was being hurt in my primary school and I still felt so alone. I just can't believe. When I lost my aunty and all my decent friends moved away I wondered if there was a God why would they do this? I wish I could beleive because then things may be more easy... but I just can't.

My uncle was in jail for 3 years, but that's not why I don't believe in God.

I often find myself questioning His existence. Things that happen in the world - in the past and today (the tsunami, wars... etc.), it makes me skeptical. Where was God during the tsunami? Where was God when the US was dropping bombs on Iraq/Afghanistan? Where was God when Hitler was slaughtering all those Jews? Where was God when the bomb was dropped on Heroshima (sp?). Then I remember that the world exists in opposites. Creation and Destruction. You can't have one without the other. I do believe in God, but then I don't believe in Him at the same time. Does that make sense?

Ok well I didn't just ask out of the blue expecting everything, I helped people as much as I could, I lived right, I done all them kinda of things and my life got worse not better, sorry if im selfish. Also what did them people do to deserve losing their homes, familys, lives etc. in the tsunami? and all the other events. Sorry I don't want to argue or anything, just don't think I just suddenly asked God for help.

JustPlainMe: Everything vast and important in this world, like peace, love, light, good - it all has an opposite. Without one, you can't have the other. Without doubt, you can't have certainty. Understand? I doubt God's existence sometimes, and yet sometimes I'm certain He's there.

okay so setting those who believe aside, does anyone here actually NOT believe in... well the topic just says nonbelievers. So does anyone here not believe?

I agree with justplainme

Actually, the world IS on a balancing system. That's just the way it works. As you said, it was their time to die - and it was time of birth for others, hence, a balance. Our life, our existence may be trivial, but it's all we know. Everything you're arguing now, it's trivial. That doesn't mean we can't argue, or believe in the balance of life, dead, and everything else.

JustPlainMe: Just because you're too blind to accept that everyone has a different stance on a subject as grand and mysterious as God does not give you a right to banish other beliefs, and to speak as if you have it all figured out, and no one else does.

for one, your stance is arrogant, obvious, and cliche

cheers

This makes me angry...

Okay, as you've been told, apparently, God is this great big supernatural Santa Claus that is only nice because He is a loving, caring God, right? Heh... WRONG!!!

How can you accept only the positive things about something and not the negative?

Those people that lost their lives/homes/family in the tsunami probably didn't do anything so downright sinful and blatlantly horrific, that they deserved their homes destroyed and everything, just like we didn't deserve to have our World Trade Center destroyed, costing hundreds if not thousands of lives.

God does "negative" things as a wake-up call. He allowed the Trade Center to be destroyed to show us that He is in control, whether we wish to think so or not. He allowed the tsunami to happen to show the world that He is in control. He can snuff us out with a breath.

People die to show us that God holds our lives, and can do whatever He wants with them.

Do remember, God didn't have to create us, send His Son to die, or even be around for us when we need Him... However, He did.

Reading Justplainme's posts, I can't really see him being arrogant, and "I'm right, you're wrong!" All I see is him telling you where you're making assumptions, and remarks that have no ground.

~Ciao Lipton

all i can say is meh and that i dont belive in him because i dont belive in him does there have to be a reason?

HELLO? Did you not read my post? He didn't have to make any of us to begin with.

Not only that, but the Bible also says He is a Righteous God, so, if you do something He doesn't like, He has the right to condemn you.

~Ciao Lipton

You are pulling my leg aren't you DoubleAgent? "the bible says that god knows everything about you and everything you do before u even do it." - Really? Please inform me as to where it says this exactly.

God put us on this earth, is that not "loving" enough?
-Leaves-

I don't understand half of you people, in fact the only one i'm seeing any sense in is JustPlainMe...at least he's being rational!

Supposing for just one second that God exists. Do you really think he'd actually interfere in ANY way with us? Or the course of the world? I mean really? What about our God given gift of free choice? How can any of our choices be free if God is steering the boat.

And Lipton, i find your notion that God allowed or indeed made the twin tower attack happen as a wake up call, so insulting i'd have to moderate myself to share with you how amazingly wrong and misguided i think you are.

If there is a God, and i hope there is, there is nothing we can do here on earth that would concern him enough to alter our lives directly..if he did this, he is controlling people without their consent...and thats not very Godly.

PS...i attribute a maleness to God to make things easier on myself in writing.

No one on this board is being rational when it comes to the subject of God. Least of all JustPlainMe.

Everyone only expresses theories and ideas - as God's existence cannot be proven scientifically at all. If you force your beliefs onto other people - or tell others that they're being idiotic, irrational, or unreasonable, then you're being the most idiotic of all.

Who are you to say what is rational/irrational when it comes to God's existence? Believe what you want, but don't except others to believe the same. Don't label other people's philosophies any less than your own. You want to think that our life here on earth is much too trivial for God to concern Himself with, then fine, but you can't prove that's true at all. Once again, you can only provide us with opinions. Step off that self-proclaimed pedestal and understand that everyone on here is on the same level when it comes to rationality.

Unless you've died and come back to life, you no backbone when it comes to putting down other people's opinions.

You also have to see how Job's story ended. He was blessed with at least double of everything he had before he encountered his troubles.

~Ciao Lipton

I gave up beliving in od when my life went to hell. The onl reason i have to believe in him is thanking him for my b/f who i love.. but that wasn't him. that was Fate.
ttyl

Holy my! Well I dont belive in god. I think it is to supernatural. I ofthen wonder why so many people belive in somethig like that. It make me think, what if there was something else some one made a story about a long time ago (sorry to every one who find it offending that I call it a story). It could have been the fairies. I thik there was different persons making a difference to the earth at that thime. Like Jesus. But I dont think there was a man named god who created the earth. I rater belive in all the things we actually know, experiences we have got throught sience.

*sorry for all my mistakes in my writing*

I also think there was someone who made a story about those persons who made a difference to the people around them self. But I also think they were making up stories about the same people. That make it difficult because we dont know which is the true once. Like the one where Jesus are making a dead person become alive. That is not true, every one know dead people cant become alive.

See, the thing is, God, and Jesus, are SUPERNATURALs. They aren't tethered by scientific properties. That's why they don't make any logical sense, because they are illogical. I wrote a poem about this. "Definition of Infinity." Maybe you should check it out.

~Ciao Lipton

Like I said!!

There's more to it than that i just don't feel like putting that down. It's not like my mom doesn't give me enough on this topic so i dont' need ppl telling me i wrong. If u think it's wrong to not believe in god. Don't be telling me

I don't think I can answer "What has God done for me" without sounding harsh, or discriminate. All I know is, I have faith in God, what's wrong with that?

~Ciao Lipton

Why are all this belivers trying to make other one do?? I is a opinion, a choise, a thought, and unless you are a weak person it wont change. I will never belive in god, because thats my choise. I respect the thoughts and decitions other one have, but I dont understand how. It is so far away from reality. To me the bible is only a quite good fantasy book (it dont contain as many maps as LOTR, but...lol). I'm very suprised so many people do belive. What make them belive?? it is so distant. I have a stonger belive in Budda, and may be in the future I'll convert to the buddism.

I actually dont think I will.....

thank you for your opionion angeline.i'm looking into pagan. it seems really interesting.

pagan??

Actually Scarlette, though i've never died and come back as an adult, i was born dead and was resusitated....but being only a child i remember nothing of it.

It is a strange thing though that a high proportion of people who have had near death experiences often move away from organised religion as they feel is has things wrong...though they still have faith in the afterlife. Strange that don't you think?

I said in the last major discussion on religion in here that nothing anyone can say is going to alter our beliefs...i won't "save" or be "saved" by anyone in these forums. That kind of believe comes from real life experience first hand....i totally respect people of faith....but...well, it's all been said before.

Organised religion of ANY kind...and i mean, Pagan, Budhist and Christian, is in my opinion arrogant...as they all claim to know something about the unknowable.

God is unknowable, we mortals can never understand him...but hey, look at all the things we are told by the church are 100% true and factual.....logic? Reason?....not today Mr.

I am over and out......best of thoughts to all.

God is not logical, He is not factual. THAT'S WHY IT'S CALLED "FAITH!" I mean, come on.

Besides, those that use science to explain everything must have some form of faith in what they are being told by society.

As Kevin has said, this is a rerun of a topic. Really, I don't understand why these things keep popping up everywhere... You're not changing my mind, and I am sure that I'm not changing anyone else's because you all have basically, already trashed the idea of faith because it doesn't make any logical sense to you.

~Ciao Lipton

and like I said, no one has died and come back to life to prove anything. Beliefs are beliefs. Whether we see what we believe in or not.

k this is how i feel bout god...stuff him...thats all thats my opinion and im intitled to it...and so it is every1 else

Your entitled to your own opinions yes

But your sentence should say

"Okay, this is how I feel about God; Stuff Him. That is my opinion and I'm (or I am) entitled to it, and so is everyone else"

Start by writing correctly and perhaps others will take you more seriously...

My bad also:

My first sentence should say YOU'RE, not your...

Look there's no reason to be aruging. I just posted this topic to see why other peeps stopped believing. I didn't want to be preatched to and i didn't want it to cause an arugement. So just leave at that ppl have their own opinions whether you like them or not. It's always goign to be like that with everything. You may think it's wrong to not believe or you may not think that, either way it's just a matter of opinion. I didn't mean to offend ne1 or start a arugment. End of discussion.

This is a very difficult question.... I don't believe in god, buts that is just my personal opinion, which I am not trying to impose on anyone else. There are several reasons for my opinion.
Many people say that when god made the world he gave us all free will, hence people are able to make such terrible life choices, like the Nazi Work camps and going to war in Iraq.
God is supposed to be 'all forgiving', so why do people talk about heaven and hell? If people make mistakes, should they be forgiven, or shoud they go to hell?

These are just a couple of the reasons..... x

Zoey:

Once again, it's "preach." Maybe no one listens to you because no one can understand what you're saying.

~Ciao Lipton

sorry about the spelling....preach
does no one understand end of discussion?

JustPlainMe

i dont believe in hell. Cuz i mean God is caring and is love well if he is that how can he let people burn in fire. and also i mean in revelations alot of the profesis are not litteral its written in a way for humans to understand and yet its complex. and in revelation 20:2,3,10god says he will kill him so if he is dead then who will run hell? u know.

and how can ppl not believe in god just because they cant see him like can u see the wind? no but u can feel it so u know it exists. just the same wth God just because u cant see him does not mean he doesnt exist. u know

not trying to preach just saying what i think