**I THINK YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE WHOS FAVORITE LIST YOU ARE O

I THINK ITS A GOOD IDEA!!

i've agreed w/ that for along time but it won't happen because some people want to keep that stuff private. Which is understandable too.

I think that we should at least be able to see the statistics... exactly how many people have you, not necessarily who they are.
Kaitlin Kristina

JustPlainMe is right... lets keep the topics to POETRY and QUOTES please.... nothing else (and NO philosophy, by any means!! lol)

Well I have the gold F award, so I know that I have more than 50, but it would still be kinda cool to see exactly how many. Its about the poetry, and I dont mean to make it about popularity, but alot of people write to be read and to get their message out, so its nice to know how successful you are at doing that.

Also I think we should be able to talk about whatever we want under these forums, its not just poetry and quotes, and as long as you are posting under the right discussion who cares? JustPlainMe does I guess.... hmmm....

Maybe there should be a choice option about whether people can see other favourites x

I'm against anything on this site, be it fancy symbols or just plain statistics that set people apart, above and below others.

I can just see the posts if this idea gets implemented.

"How many people have you on their favourites?

i'm on 67....woo hoo....fav4rit iz D only 3 syllable word i kno, apart from D word syllable that is...woo hoo..."

Multply this type of thread by about 125 every month.

NO NO NO!

I see your point, and that may be a problem.

Considering you cant trust the people on this forum to act like 4 year olds asking, "how many did you get!?!? how many do you have!?!?!" Maybe it would be best to just leave it how it is.

I do however like that this site allows people to be more individual. The awards show that you have worked your way up from the bottom to the top just like everyone else, and it is an accomplishment that spirs people towords being better poets. Everyone has the same oppurutnity to get an award that they want, and no one can say that they are unhappy when they discover that their efforts are paying off.

Just my opinion though.
Kaitlin Kristina

Kaitlin, i don't think that everybody does have an equal chance to get those precious awards.

Setting aside who here has regular home access to the net, there are other issues such as how much free time they might have, how many poems they honesty feel like writing, and perhaps most importantly of all...there surely must be lots of people who come here and feel they are lacking the poetic knowledge to comment and discuss issues and poems....and so they will never rise up like everyone else as you put it....without meaning any harm to anyone....this means they will get less attention to their poems, which of course ain't fair.

That’s why there are the discussion boards, you aren’t BORN a fantastically polished poet, you become and evolve into it because of practice, constructive criticism, and reading other people's work. This is just like any other art form (or anything else in life) you pay your dues, and if you want to get to the top you have to start from the bottom and climb up. If you have any hope of doing so you must put in the time, the blood, and the tears... not that poetry directly involves any blood or tears, but you understand. Plus many poems are born from blood and tears... but that’s another subject entirely.

To become a great poet you also have to put a certain amount of time into it, if you don’t have the time to practice, you wont get better, just like with any other art form. Its like playing a musical instrument and saying that no one should be able to be recognized as having talent just because not everyone can afford to have lessons or doesn’t have as much time to practice.

News flash, life isn’t fair, but what is fair is that the people who can put the time into it and who have paid their dues started at the bottom like everyone else at some point and they deserve the recognition for their efforts.

Also just to point this out, many of the poets with gold "F" awards don’t even have that many poems up, it’s not about quantity as much as quality. Some people have tons of poems and still aren’t that good, it just depends.

And what I meant by “everyone has the same chance to get those awards,” was that we all have to jump through the same hoops, not that everyone’s time constraints or Internet access was the same.

Bottom line, if you have talent you will naturally gain attention, if you dont have the talent you can spend all the time in the world studying poetry techniques and counting syllables and still never get anywhere. The talented writers find a way to get recognized, and they will naturally because they stand out.

LIFE "aint fair"

[Edited out for vulgarity]

yeah i think we should see whos got us in their fave list

Kaitlin, i found your last post slightly insulting to my intelligence. It is one thing to put across your opinion, but it does not have to be done in a manner that suggests to are talking to a 3 year old.

And yeah life might not be fair, so lets aim for a better ideal in here don't you think?...i mean i thought poets were supposed to be forward thinking and not so shackled by the common rules of everyday functionalist life.

Oh and it's a very well known fact in this website, that some of the best poets [check out "August"] do not get the attention they deserve, despite putting serious thought into their work. This website isn't built up the same way as the Burgerking employee advancement program....

The system isn't fair at the moment, and it can be if we change it....i don't see any further need for discussion.

sigh i've mentioned this before---- i got nowhere.i tell people when i add them, i think a lot of people do. meh. if they like you enough they'll comment, thank the commenters and im sure you'll get the right people. am i making sense? when i look at my comments i can guess who the fifty+ people are that have added me, some may remain anonomous, and they've obviously decided that for a reason.

peace to all good folk---xxxx

i think that you should be able to know how many people have you as their favorites so you can also have the pricvacy of your own list. but atleast how many people like you!! lol i think its a great idea

Kevin,

I did not in any way mean to address you like a toddler, nor am I trying to insult your intelligence.

Poets cannot rise above the fact that, "Life isn’t fair," simply because it isn’t. Poets often deal with the harsh realities of life, rather than sugar coat it.

I respect that you are trying to make the site better for the newbie’s or for the great poets who just seem to get nowhere.

But considering I have been on this forum about 3 months and had little problem with gaining recognition, or the little awards, I just can’t relate.

I personally don’t believe that how much thought or effort you put into your poems makes you a good writer, or worthy of a solid fan base either. Spending alot of time on it doesn’t make you a good writer, and it never will. It helps you get better, that I do agree with.

I still think that it is basically an "equal opportunity" system. If you have great talent, it may take some time, but you will get to the top if you don’t stop trying. Like anything in life that takes dedication, this is no different.

I apologize again for belittling you, which was not my intention at all. I just don’t think that taking accomplishments away from the poets who have put in the time and the mental work is fair, just like you don’t think that it is fair for the poets who never get anywhere. We are on two different sides of the argument, but for the same reasons. I respect your opinion totally, as well as everyone else’s.

Fair play Kaitlin, no hard feelings.

One thing i would say, is that no one will lose anything except recognition in the form of little coloured letters. The long term members who are all gold or there about are still gonna be well known, they will still be on everyones favourites list, still be huge contributers to the forums.

I think you hit the nail on the head when you said that you can't see where the problem lies for the new members because you yourself never had any problem gaining attention....clearly not everyone feels the same way...you only have to look at the forums an search for posts about

"how to get recognised" and " when do i get awards"

These things, whilst slightly flattering, are a hinderance to the development of the website.

I think it seperates mediocrity from the actual people that are worth reading, personally. The new comers have to pay their dues and evolve as poets, if you really need to read some GREAT poetry you know that aperson with an F award is more likely to give you that, and that is both a pro and a con.

On one hand it takes attention away from the new people, on the other it allows people to read great poetry without having to mess around going through a whole bunch of people.

Everything has its downfall, but I know that I go through new peoples stuff and often am not that impressed. If the awards and the ratings get taken away then how do you know the best from the worst? It would cause problems too. The new people on the site or the people who dont mark their favorites would have a hard time locating quality work.

There is a down side to the system being gone too, but Kevin I totally respect your opinion and I see where you are coming from :)

It's so annoying when this happens, but I have to agree with both sides. I tried to read most view points. Although If I had to make a choice i would probably go with Kaitlyn Kristina, since I think knowing how you're doing is interesting and often helpful, because if you're not doing well, then that would give you the hint that maybe you should devote more time and thought to your poems. But concentrating on just your poems is a great idea 2. *On the fence*

>Rach

I don't get it, the rewards system is NO indication of poetic skill. You get most of the awards just by being here for enough time and making regular contributions to the boards and poems...and as for the rating system which gives you another letter....well we all know how irratic that is, not to mention how easily almost anyone can get awarded a 5 for their poem no matter how mince it might be.....the favourites list is a bunch of back slapping friends lists....so no, i don't think it's fair, or any reflection of a job well done.

Like i said, the best poets in here in my opinion don't have any letters, and some of the most overated poets have lots of gold ones.

No offence meant to anyone...it's just how i feel...and once again i want to remind anyone who feels like stomping on me verbally, that i have these silly letters, so i'm not arguing this point for myself...