A question for you--on suicide

I gave my friend this quote a long time ago and before she committed suicide she left a note. At the bottom of the note was my quote.

They say God only gives you enough hardship in life you can handle. Then I ask you this why every morning we hear of people committing suicide leaving notes that say " life was just to hard to survive"

Do you believe the quote above is justified
Were do you stand when it comes to suicide = do you believe those that commit suicide are coward or are they people that got lost in the world or do you have your own opinion on suicide?

this is a place of discussion, so please no hateful words or mean comments. just pure honesty

Suicide, there are many topics on this specific subject. A lot of time people have their own vision what is known as "tunneled" they are focused so much on the negative that they can't see the positive.

I mean people are going to do what they want, no quote, no quick saying is going to stop them. I find if a person really wants to do it, they will always find a way.

Do I believe them to be cowards? No, not at all, but I do believe it to be a selfish act. You take away all the things that you could have brought to this world and really don't think about anyone but yourself. You don't think "Will my mother miss me? friend, dog, who will look after my baby" different things.

People are so helplessly lost that they cannot think things through and just eventually do it. I've seen/heard of some weird things, but honestly it shouldn't be something that you think about everyday.

You want to know why? you cannot know why, unless you put yourself in their shoes and get so helplessly lost in depression...it's like trying to describe a sunset to a blind person, it's really hard to do. You try your best, but yet it doesn't seem to fit.

I know life gets really hard. I know first hand. However I do know that there are ways of coming back up when you are down. Yes is is incredibly hard. But you can do it. I did. Had I thought about it? Yes. Would I ever? No.

Life is never too hard to survive. I see suicide as an easy way out of a hard time. Prove you are stronger and that you can fight it. Fight for something anything. Don't take the easy way out because though things my be "easier" if you are not alive. think of how hard you would be making it for those who care about you...

And do not blame yourself for her commiting suicide.

Hmm .. i have actually never thought about this before tbh . but who am i to say that people are cowards ? i mean i have never been in any terrible situation before .. but i really dont see why people would want to commit suicide .. i mean no matter how bad your life is now , tthings can change in the future .
i believe in equivalent trade. everyone gets their share of goods and bad . and you cant gain something from nothing i guess

"Life NEVER gets bad enough that we can't handle it."

If that were the case we wouldn't be here discussing suicide.

As for the quote, that alone can lead to a million questions, good and bad. For someone spiraling out of control, death is just an easy answer to a question they can't face. Every road that leads there is different, no ones taking the same journey or learning the same coping mechanisms. When one bad thing after another happens or you are dealing with severe depression or a million other scenarios, one convinces themselves there is only one answer, of course we are wrong, there's always another answer. None of us escape life without physical or emotional scars.

I believe I did point that out lol

"one convinces themselves there is only one answer, of course we are wrong, there's always another answer."

Ive thought about it alot in my depressive state, when my mind is fuzzy, ive tried to end it all, but that was a snap call on my behalf...

i believe in god, that if you kill yourself you dont go to heaven.

when i was in a bad way a while ago there was only 1 thing keeping me from killing myself, it was my niece, i got it in my head i had to be here to protect her from the horrible things i suffered. that no matter how hard i had it she would hate me if i killed myself and he same thing happened to her, when i could have stoped it all. i know this doesnt quite make sence. its a hard thing to describe, but its like the person ^ there said, you cant describe something you have never been through, you can only hope nobody feels the way you once did, as you know how bad it is for them.

its all about the mind, somebody shouldnt be left to get that far along that they pray for death..somebody - anybody should see, notice that something is wrong. even if they just ask if all is ok, you never know, that 1 thing could be what changes someones mind, even if it were just a smile.

nobody truelly knows what other peopl are thinking..and shouldnt judge or come to conclusions. people are who they are, they cant change that unless they are willing to.

^sorry if that doesnt make sence to anyone^
i have alot of thoughts about this and those were just a few of the things i think about it.

IBE
x

So many interesting views on this subject thank u for sharing

The thing that is missing are the answers - why do they do it. it could be there life is hard and we dont know, it could be so many things there going through that we dont understand - maybe wont even comprehend, so i think it wrong to just dismiss people who have or are thinking about it, we dont have a clue what there feeling or how bad they have it.

but no matter how bad things get for someone they should never feel they cant talk to at least 1 person about it all. if they at least try and reach out before they go that far. but again - we will never know if they tried to reach out, because what we think is just some anoying person or creepy person could be that person that needs our help the most!

the world used to be sensitive, now its avoiding..lets face it we dont live how it used to be years ago, where you could just meet a stranger and be safe, now its is this stranger a phyco or something..

..obviously theese people are going through a difficult time, i think we as in the world could help more, like there should be more people involved in our lives, something concrete! like as soon as your born somebody gets asigned to you for your entire life, and that way someone will have at least 1 person to talk to about this stuff..hhmmm, that could be interesting - then we'd all be conected by 1 person away.

but yeah, more help is needed.

IBE

I will admit that I have tried before. And everytime I have, I have realized that you just have to keep pushing forward. That whatever is making you feel this way will end without you ending your life.

It has been almost 9 months since my friend committed suicide. The way he saw it though wasn't that he couldn't stand life anymore. He was really close to God and just felt that it was his time to go and join God in heaven. He wrote a long like 2 page letter to his parents explaining to them why he did it and reassuring them that it had nothing to do with them.

It is sad when a person does commit suicide but you have to understand that there was nothign you could do to stop it.

I think that everyone wants to commit suicide at one point, and to each person there's a different justification and none of us are sane enough to judge...all I can say about suicide is that when you've been through losing a friend to it or even have just seen suicide it changes your perspective...once you really, truly see death it makes it a ridiculous thing to want.

We are given things to test us, and I do believe that we r never given anything more than we can deal with, wether it be by god or the forces that be I dont know. I understand that pain drives people to think of suicide, but I think that there is always a way out, and that the ones left behind will blame themselves for not being able to help. Just remember that we r only here for a holiday and if reincarnation isnt real, we only get one shot at it. live life and love the people in it.

"ever see a little kid with terminal cancer.....they suffer unGodly and yet they smile til the very end, what courage. Many of us would do well to have such character and strength."

^ I think that to have that kind of character; attitude, and strength; courage, is something that we all strive for for when our time in THIS world has met its end.

This topic reminds me of a little back and forth I had with a friend. He sighed & said to me, "Life is hard..." to which I replied, "Compared to what???"

But how can you compare life,

everybodies is different, and it's a very complex thing. Life can't be compared.

Life is beautiful, life is pain, happiness, tears, laughs, smiles, scrapped knees, learning, frustration, etc. Life has to be balanced. Without sadness there would be no happiness.

I do not judge a person, but I believe you should not take your own life, there is always another option, it might be more difficult, but people need to put effort into something.

"But how can you compare life, everybodies is different, and it's a very complex thing. Life can't be compared."

^ You highly miss the point. I didn't say compared to who's , I said compared to what. How could someone say that life is hard, when life itself is all we know. What is there to compare it to? We get one life, and one life only... That is unless you believe in reincarnation or unless you have died & come back with a second chance at it.

I agree with jarred on most things he has said although i just wanna add my spin on things

people every day commit suicide and these people obviously believe that they cannot make it any other way and to die would be the only option , my thoughts on this are as follows :

when we have suicidal thoughts it is because we know (from experience (of pain endured... or pain being endured) that all other options open to us are going to be highly emotionally/spiritualy/mentaly hard and its going to be an uphill struggle and there is no way that one can imagine themselves doing what they would have to do to get themselves out of tht position (even if we are concioussly unaware of the other options - which is my next point)

or people can become so highly emotionaly/mentaly involved with the issue that one is not capable of stepping back from the whole thing and finding a soloution and instantly turns to the least painfull (for themselves) way out

suicide is not a cowardly thing however ...
because sometimes if one crosses a line there is no returning.

there are many answers and even more questions about suicide and i could prattle on for hours but i wont

the point is , everyone has a breaking point where they cant see anything but black , when someone is pushed much further than this breaking point they will find any means to die , fact

ive seen it happen

thanks for the question though , some highly thought if opinions arte breaking through :)

My justifications are not pathetic they are as valid as anyones , i have a right to speak ,

im not suggesting that we may see the future , all im saying is that sometimes when someone is suicidal it is usualy because of circumstances changing and if one can look through current circumstances and back up their thoughts with precise wisdom then there is a way forward

i agree not everyday is overcast

but where i disagree with you is when you say suicide is a cowardly thing, life is valuable , i know ive lost many friends, sometimes it isnt a conscientious choice and i never said it should be considered heroic , you obviously have very strong emotions on this subject and i thank you for your point of view but i dont like the ironic tone dealt with it

i can have my views

you can have yours

peace

-James

I think suicide is a terrible sad thing. I wish anyone who thinks about it would get help, but I know that won't happen. I don't think people who commit suicide are necisarily cowardly, I think they are people who have gotten lost in the world and they don't think they can handle things anymore. I guess some would say it's cowardly, but I think it is people who are tired of fighting because everytime they fight they lose, and they don't want to lose anymore. They know that it's easier to just let go and die. I think people considering suicide definitely need to remember that no matter what Life will get better than this! I was living in Hell on earth just about 4 months ago and I was considering suicide, but I got a therapist and am working on stuff. Life is a lot better than it was than. Yes it would have been so much easier to kill myself and I wouldn't have to deal with all this pain, but then you miss out on all the laughter, fun, happiness. Because I don't think you realize how wonderful all these things are until you are standing on the ledge of death or suicide.

Wow....this is tough...so i will will try my best to answer the question. First commiting suicide does not mean your a coward. It means that you have been simply overwhelmed to a point where you cant think straight anymore because its too painful. It's the not being able to think straight that dooms us. When someone is at that point they feel like it doesnt make a difference anymore.Nothing is goingt ot change life. It's still and always be hell n earth for them. That causes them to be exhausted...tired. Tired of life...tired of trying because nothing makes a difference. They explode. As for the quote, it's not the matter of how much pain one recieves in their lives, it's how one handles that pain. We will all face a moment in life where we seem overwhelmed with pain. Its goingt o happen. But we can do two things. We can let it take us over. Or we can can grow from it. Turn the darkness and pain into wisdom and knowledge. learn and grow. Be reborn from our pain, becoming new but the same. When dealt with this delema we need to focus use the pain to do soemthing good. Life will give peole more pain than theyll believe. And if they let it life will destroy them. But you have to think no matter how painful it may be. Chose to grow, become better. I hope what i said makes sense and i hope i helped

OK, i have seen alot of suisides in my life, and each with differnt reason, and the only one that made any sence to me at all was my grandfathers best friend Anthony Lerd. He left a suiside note for my grandfather with all of 6 words written on it.

Dear Frank,
I was bored.
Tony,

And that was it. The man was 97 years old, he was in the united states marine core during WW1 and 2, had seen more action then most people by the time he was 19. He was 18 when he joined in 1019 and had done alot in his life. He killed Nazis, he was in command of my Grandfathers Unit during WW2. He really did live a long a full life. His suiside made sence, after 97 years, you would get bored after that kind of youth.

I commited suiside when I was 13, to this day I couldnt tell you why I did it. I drowned myself, I was clinicly dead for 2 minutes, and then they got me back with the difibulator. I was a coward, and I was selfish at the time, and, unless your 97 years old or fallow under termanil illness or self sacrifice for a loved one or whatever, or if ur a Samuri and commit Sepuku, then you are a coward in my belief, and you are selfish in my belief. Thats just my veiws.

I don't like to say things that may upset others so I don't believe that people who commit suicide are cowards or selfish. I think they are just people who have struggled much too much.

However, take a look around the world- count how many people have lived life till the end and how many have committed suicide. Which is more?
If life was really that unbearable wouldn't it be the other way around?

My cousin committed suicide when she was 13 years old. She was a sweet, beautiful girl who had a life that was much too hard. She left a note that we only found one page of that said:

and to the police: Please don't blame my mom and dad for this, they had nothing to do with it.

We never found the other half of the note. Personally, I believe that suicide is the wrong way to go, but I don't think that those who do it are cowards. I believe that they are suffering human beings who have been dealt too much hardship. That doesn't mean that their decision was the right one, but it was, ultimately, theirs to make.

There isn't a day that goes by that I don't think about my cousin, Nikki, and there isn't a day that I don't miss her and wish she was still here. I believe that if she had stuck it out a little while longer, things would have gotten better, but I would -never- condemn her for the choice she made.

I was just thinking of committing suicide yesterday. in fact, i had had may attempts to do it. but i never continue cause while im thinking and crying about it, i also would pray and so in the end God wins and i dont commit suicide.

but i dont say people who commt it are coward or whatever cause i kinda understand them. i have a very very low self-esteem. i hate stares and derisions. and everytime i see one, i would cry and think of just ending my life. it just sometimes seems too hard and painful you just want to end everything.

today, i just said to God that I want to live. yes, i still carry the burden of my low-low self-esteem. but i dont wanna think about it too much, i decided.

but i also told Him i cant promise i wont ever again think about the suicide thing. i just said i wont do it. but i think id still be thinking about it.

Lmao if any of you bothered to pay attention to what Bob was saying, instead of just being emotional, you would know that everything Bob has stated is true. The truth isn't always butterflies and roses, he answered the ? asked, if you don't like it don't read it.

Well.. suicide is just the easy way out... it's giving up on life because you're too scared to face the world.

I've thought about it as well, but I found that I was not ready to die yet. I was'nt scared but I just had more things to do before I'd die. I found that I couldn't give up on life and that I'd hurt too many people by taking my own life.

I don't know... I kinda agree... if you commit suicide you haven't thought things through so muhc... and I basically find it very very selfish to do so.

Suicide isn't normally something you plan to do, it's pure desperation. It's where you think that life is too hard to handle at that exact moment, so you kill yourself, and if you would have just waited it out a lot times after ward things would have been different. The people who say "I'm alone" Aren't actually alone, their just too depressed to realize there are people out there that care about them, even if they don't think so.

A lot of people who commit suicide are a lot of times too far gone to think about what affect it would have on someone, actually ..I met a girl (I think it was on here) that told me a story that was just like this. (I'm not sure if she wants me to share it, but it was on her profile, I hope she doesn't mind)

She had a friend that was completely in love with this boy, they were dating and completely absorbed with eachother. One day, the girl got a call saying her boyfriend was dead, and her whole life shattered, she commited suicide immediately after hearing that, thinking she couldn't live life without him. It turns out it was a prank call, (sick, sick phone call) and then when the boyfriend (who was alive and well, but did the girlfriend think to call him and make sure? no.) found out she was dead, he also commited suicide.
How's that for a reason? He wasn't even dead, its a tragedy but it just shows what people that are that desperate will do, it's like Romeo&Juliet. Romeo killed himself because he didn't have all the information. Suicide is wrong, plain and simple. No one has any more reason to leave this life before thier time then anyone else, everyones life is hard, people need to accept that, yeah, some more then others. But you don't hear about people in africa who are starving commiting suicide, do you? Well, who knows, they could just not tell us, but still. And yet in America (not sure of other countries), suicide is so ..not common but, I cant find the right word. I honestly believe those in africa who have no hope have more of a right to commit suicide then anyone in other countries, where at least they have a roof over their head and food. Be thankful for whatever good things you have, whether or not it be little.

There are so many opinions on here and it would talk too long to address them all. But a couple I can do. I dont claim to have all the answers my thoughts are mine alone. But im 19 now and I have struggled with suicide diffrent times in my life. I beleave that people who do commit go to heaven. I dont think its wrong. it may be a bit selfish. (excuse my spelling errors)

But i understand someone not thinking that they have anything to live for. I understand someone who feels as if theres no way out. Its a snowball effect one thing goes wrong then another and another untill you just get so overwhelmed. I think depression has a huge role that it plays in this as well as the chemical levels in the brain.

I dont think its coward like at all honestly to commit suicide. Its taking this huge choice a huge leap. I think that this life is just a stepping stone to something else. Its true that life dose go on but the ones who have left will be remembered by our thoughts, out memories, and our written words. Its not to say things will change or get better but they will be rememberd.

Also,,, I think that if you havent held the knife in your hand, the pills or whaterver other method that you could have chosen that you dont fully understand what its like to be on that edge. To see insanity at the edges of your vision to see the darkness ready to swallow you up at any moment. its terrifing to feel as if the control that you have held on to for so long slipping out of your grasp.

Theres so much to expirance in this world good or bad,, and i know that i have an obligation to write about it all. if i was to leave those words would have been lost for forever. never to grace the page again.

I beleave that if you feel like you cant move like you cant go on you need to get help even if you dont want it. Till then -peace on the black wings of a doves haunted lullabye

This has probably been said before, but oh well.

Basically...the way I see it..there's only one short answer.

After you get through the mess, suicide amounts to one thing. A choice that someone made, and whether it was right or wrong..it really doesn't matter.

So God only gives you what you can handle, but some people don't choose to handle it.

Suicide is NEVER the easy way out. It is a tough decision and it takes a lot of guts to do. I'm not condoning it. Noone really wants to die. Everyone wants to be happy and live life to the fullest. For some people though, circumstances become unbearable when they are unable to control their emotions. Suicide is a Last Resort. It is a difficult decision to make. Leaving behind family friends and their lifes work. Granted some have nothing to lose they are still human. I know what its like to feel utterly hopeless. If it wasn't for those close to me, I don't know where I would have been right now. Thank god for kindness and love. Sometimes its all people need to carry on. Bless.

Like I said, I do not condone suicide. Nor do I believe it is a means of escape. You took one line and proceeded to JUDGE me on it. It was, however dependent on the rest of my post. I apologize if you misunderstood me but please don't judge. People who commit suicide believe that there is no solution to their problems. They cannot see things the way 'normal' people do and as such resort to 'irrational' behaviour. It is a serious matter that has no easy resolve. Therefore I cannot judge or consider it to be childlike behaviour. It is a mental condition with severe emotional effects. I'm not making excuses but rather, my aim is to understand. It is the first step in helping. I lost a friend 3 years ago to suicide. Cannot bear to see another loved one forfeit their life.
By the way, when I said it is tough I mean it in the sense that noone wants to die, it is our basic instinct to survive. Therefore they are giving up on the miracle of life which I find is tough to do. I NEVER said someone had to be strong to do it. Obviously this is totally different. My apologies again for not making this clear enough.
'Suicide never solved anything'

Being suicidal depends on one person. it's what they want to be, it happens for a reason. maybe those people are being used by God for the other people to learn something. sometimes those people whom are worth to live die unexpectedly.

What i find so strange is that suicide is alot more prevalent in first world countries than third. it is alot more common for people who lead lives alot of people in the world would envy who kill themselves while those who live lives, most of us couldnt even imagine, tend to fight for them.
but then back to the topic. personaly i feel i can understand why people do it though i have never tried nor even commited self harm, well intentionally anyway and i feel my poem "chant of death" gives quite a strong case for suicide.but i think most people do it as they lose sight of who they trully are, not who they think they should be. they lose sight of the fact that sadness and depression are just as an important part of life as joy and happiness and should be savoured not run from. i mean ,god, who wants to be happy all the time and have everything go perfectly. if i lived such a life i probably would have killed myself ages ago out of pure boredom. i also think people should remember that only from sadness does true beauty and joy arise and vice versa

I know I may be only 14 and you my not thinking i'm very smart , but you are are wrong. I thinking people who have commit suicide are not bad people or people who have lost there way, I think they were tried of how they were liveing and just wanted to get away at that time, and that they have there resones they did that. So I repscet them.

"...I thinking people who have commit suicide are not bad people or people who have lost there way, I think they were tried of how they were liveing and just wanted to get away at that time, and that they have there resones they did that. So I repscet them."

^ I don't think those who, unfortunately, commit suicide are bad either. I naturally pay my respects much the same as I do for anyone else, but I DO NOT respect their choice. However... I have MORE respect and commend those who have the courage and the strength to stay strong, to not give up, to overcome and to move on. They're the ones I believe deserve it the most.

People do certain things; that are beyond our understanding. that is the way I see suicide. in a way I see it as a message for us. that we should always try and be there for the ones we loved; and constantly let them know we are there. if suicide is really an escape, we all need to stop bickering about how weak or how selfish these people are.. and we need to find ways to help them. that's the bottom line.

Personally, I think people that commit suicide are cowards. Don't get me wrong I've been sat on my bed, I've written a suicide note and I've just been about to take the pills and knife into my end and then I realised that I was selfish and I shouldn't be doing it because I would be leaving my loved ones behind. And, I realised than that people did love me no matter what they or I had done. Yes, I was depressed because I had lost a child and I thought I had nothing else to live for but I realised that I could try for another baby if I wanted to and that it wasn't the end of the world.
I know that there are many reasons people do commit suicide though ie rape, lost child etc. I know it's not easy because I've been there and got the tear stained t-shirt to prove it. But life is what you make it and yes, it gets hard at times but there's people that's overcome suicide and lived to be better people. If there was a way of knowing people would commit suicide then I know we wouldn't let them especially if it's someone we love o care about.
Everybody has their own opinion, here's mine

I meant take the pill and knife into my hand ...

Not to be a nudge and force my opinion on others [all of you] but, I think the destructive mind towards anyone....or yourself even is because the devil is trying to hold you down.

People can have hard lives becuase there are disgusting people surrounding them making it out to be that way. But, I firmly believe that you have the power to let people get to you. And when you get upset with someone, you're giving them consent.

Not throwing around the fact that I had a hard life, it really shouldn't be an excuse to take my own life away. Just being alive should be a blessing that people worship everyday. I did in fact try to committ suicide.

Life was beginning to get to hard for me to handle. Friends died from left to right, mother got diagnosed with cancer and then .... the worst. I've lived with my mom and an abusive step father for 13 years.

A lot of other traumatic things have happened in my life that I cannot seem to let go of. The images that is.

Suicide isn't the easy way out. It all comes down to, what religion are you? And that according the the Bible, even something such as "hating" another person is considerd murder. Do you hate yourself that much....to murder yourself? Because when you do die, your soul has to repent for that.

I tried; failed and learned from it. And I think that who ever thinks someone is a coward for simply being depressed about reality and what they're forced to live with is the coward for being insensitive to what others are going through. Not everyones life is as easy as yours that's how I look at it.

There. My input all in words.

I left out a lot...dang.

I think that suicide is very selfish. I will say that.