Osama Bin Laden

If Osama Bin Laden was the mastermind behind the events of 2001 9/11. how many believe the threat of terror would be less with his capture?

If Mr. Laden was already dead, the news would have leaked pretty quickly and there would be a huge scandal. But since there's not a huge scandal, I have no reason to believe the government is hiding his death or that he's died. If he has, which is entirely possible, it's probably uncertain.
That's along the lines of paranoia... and giving the government too much credit! Ha.
As to your question, Mike-n-Ike, Osama's capture wouldn't change anything. It would be a relief, but the war on terrorism would not cease. Osama was the ring-leader maybe, but his minions made everything possible.. therein lies the problem. The presence of military in suppressing terrorism and educating foreigners is not "right," but I hesitate to call it wrong, all options considered.
Really, there are no "rights" in war. Can only do the "most right" thing.

Osama Bin Laden is merely a front used by the U.S. government in order to cover up what's REALLY going on.... And I don't believe Bin Laden is dead otherwise the Muslims would be in an uproar with these false statements and accusations.

What war on terror? to me it looks more like war on people who have oil the usa wants

Even if he were dead, nothing would stop, it's not a one man show. I do however believe they would do their best not to let such info leak because then focus would be shifted and the range is just too broad. As long as one person remains the central figure, others slip under the radar.

LoL, Osama Bin laden was treated in an American Hospital and visited by CIA agents about 3 weeks after 9/11 when he was getting he Kidney problems sorted out.

If he was really the Mastermind behind that faked attack, they would have caught him...they just want a face to slap on Fox "news".

Don't even get me started on how totally fabricated the explanations for 9/11 were.

No plane crashed into the Pentagon and the world trade centers were built to withstand plane impacts and much higher heat that a plane crash would generate.

Look at the video's, they were brought down with controlled explosions.

It's all a joke, almost as laughable as the explanation for what happened when JFK was assassinated.

Only thing real about 9/11 was the pointless loss of American life.

I disagree, Kevin. I think you've been watching too much Michael Moore and Zeitgeist. I find what has been globally acknowledged to have happened is much more believable then all these conspiracy theories.
But it doesn't really matter, does it?
A lot of people died tragic deaths and there wasn't really a point to it.

And by the way, whoever said that we're looking for oil is a king of stating the obvious. Our President would even say, "Yeah, you just figured that out? It is one reason."

Whether you think we are in Afghanistan to collect oil and insure pipelines, to suppress & eliminate the al Qaeda, to find & attain Osama Bin Laden, to reform its people, or to cover up some strange conspiracy of the Bush Administration.. well thing is, U.S. troops are doing all these things regardless. Except for the last one, really. Unless you think like Kevin.

Many of you might add that we have no business in Afghanistan, but what is your alternate plan? If you are going to reply, "Pull out," please, say more than that. What would happen if we were to pull out?

For those of you who do not know, Obama just shipped in 20,000+ more troops to try to finish up the job in Afghanistan so we can be good and done with our presence there. He admits we have lost sight of our original regime.

Man I love Jenga.

And actually, the plane would have bounced off. The buildings were made of rubber, didn't you know?

Osama bin Laden...

The thing is that I'm not really sure he had any part in it... If he did he would be dead along with the terrorists whom he apparently sent... I mean why pass up heaven complete with 72 angels?

He initially denied his scheme, but after time he took credit for the act of 9/11... I believe he was merely a pawn... As schemers love to hide and lurk in shadows...

Man, I reckon the lot of you are looney birds. You can't possibly know either way if there was a conspiracy or not, so why would you jump to the wildest conclusion.. that there IS a conspiracy?
Usually things are what they seem. The world is surely not THAT complicated. In fact, I think the assumption of a conspiracy being to blame is giving the Bush Administration and our government WAAAAAAAAAAY too much credit. It's embarrassing in a way.

Well punkin, you should probably start doing your homework before you start blabbering about conspiracies.
If you ask nicely, I will explain Afghanistan and Iraq to you : )

I'll look that up later today. I gotta run now. Thanks though.

You know I can understand the conspiracy but I can't believe that certain people would intentionally kill thousands of their own for oil ownership... It not only belittles america as a country but it also belittles those that died that day when discussing something without tangible proof...

Ok, lets take one aspect of the 9/11 attack and look at the problems with the official explanation.

The plane that hit the Pentagon.

There was no wreckage bigger than one man could lift up and take away with one hand. When planes of that size crash, there is always massive amounts of wreckage, including the wings and because they are made from incredible durable metals, the engines.

The whole where it "hit" was barely 20ft wide, and almost perfectly round, as evidenced by pictures at the scene, where is the damage from the wings? and if they didn't go through the wall, where did they go cause they weren't part of the wreckage.

The pilot who flew the plane made an impossible descent that has been confirmed as so insane and intense it would have stalled a plane of that size instantly, plus he was a really poor pilot.

The only video evidence that could prove a plane hit was from a hotel nearby, and all their tapes where confiscated by the CIA.

We were told that the intense heat from the planes fuel incinerated not only all the people in the plane, but almost the entire plane itself. It is scientifically impossible for this to happen, jet fuel just doesn't burn hot enough or burn for long enough for this to happen and it certainly couldn't burn the engines which are designed to resist intense heat.

And yes Jane I get most of my info from documentaries like Zeigeist etc, but they are a hell of a lot better researched and explained that the "news" reports.

If you have some evidence, even suggested theories to the contrary, I'll read em. Just no fox news ok..

I guess I find it unfathomable that the president of the US would consent to killing his own people.. for oil, and he would not suffer the consequences by being found out. Unexplainable things happen, and I choose to believe the simplest explanations to explain unexplainable things. Such as a plane hitting a building and the building collapsing. It is in my nature to believe that the collapse of the building is in direct consequence of the plane hitting the building, not that there were bombs implemented in the building set to go off to give the illusion of a building collapsing due to a plane crash.

And mostly, I am much more concerned with the effects of the incident - that people were killed by other people - than the question of, "was there a conspiracy?" In 9/11, no matter the means, the end is unjustifiable. The only reason to suggest a conspiracy is if someone is going to DO something about it. Nobody here is. Unless you intend to compile a substantial amount of legal evidence then put your life in jeopardy by accusing government authority of injustice, and you think you're going to be taken seriously, I think it's stupid to go on about conspiracies.
I actually really like watching Zeitgeist, but a group of intelligent people can make anything look suspicious.

Britt, I do watch fox news on youtube..and it scares me, cause it's soo obviously not real news, or real news skewed to partisian hackery. It would never wash in Britain.

Check this...classic Fox.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-F-zmTNuk4&feature=related

Jane, I can't beileve you're saying that girl. It reads like you don't really care if 9/11 was some kind of inside job, or at the very least a cover up afterwards of the real culprits, be they foreign or domestic.

I'm not saying the president ordered it. But it's pretty obvious government departments made some very odd decisions on that fateful day and after it that suggest strongly to me, some kind of plan or cover up or someone elses.

The pentagon had an air force base within 1 minutes flying distance by fighter jet from it, and NORAD knew the "plane" that was off course for 47 minutes and nothing was done. If it was a plane that hit the Pentagon, why did they do nothing to stop it for 46 minutes? Don't even get me started on the other two planes that hit the towers.

It wasn't something someone looked out for at the time... a plane off course wasn't a cue that the plane had been hijacked by some suicidal foreign terrorist and was heading towards a building for an unspeakable end.
Now, a plane off course would be considered extremely dangerous and it would be headlining news.
If we were freaking out about anything that *could* end badly, we'd be in a world of extreme paranoia and probably confined to our own homes. The world isn't perfect, people make bad judgments, care more about things that don't matter, and less about things that should... It's so easy for someone to say "this should've been done" or "this shouldn't have been done" after "this" is over and done with.

I'm not excusing the lack of concern displayed about the off course plane, but it could just as easily not have been a hijacker and nothing bad would've happened and NO ONE in the public would ever know about the plane's off course-ness.

I would care if 9/11 was an inside job if I believed it. There are a lot of things I would care about if I believed in them. But caring also means action as far as I'm concerned - action, not discussions.
Since you strongly believe in these conspiracies, I'd like to know what you'll do about it?
I'm sorry to disappoint, Kev-O. It's not that I'm heartless, maybe I just don't get it.

Ah come one Jane, I have long had a theory that Vegemite uses human shit to make its product, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna go driving to their factories and sue their asses, does it? Reasons being a lot of people like vegemite, I'm too ignorant of the process, and most importantly- I like the freedom of thinking and declaring that it is a very real possibility and letting other people know about it without actually having any real evidence or the gumption to do anything about it.

Good conspiracy theories are interesting, should be considered in all aspects, and to be expected. We are always going to live in some sort of illusion, be it government/media farces (which are a huge force) or a natural self-infliction, but it is the action of exercising the mind by reviewing all possibilities that is most valuable. Lack of lateral thought is dangerous and devalues the human brain. I think history has taught us many times that very little is as simple as it seems.

Conspiracy theorists are not really people who care enough to do anything. They are usually cynical, intelligent, hyper-charged shit-stirrers deriving entertainment from piecing alternate puzzle pieces together. But given enough people are affected by these theories, it may brush against someone who does care to act. Or prompt someone to put it in a history book in the future, for the future.

A lot of the conspiracy theories surrounding the events of 9/11 hold merit with me. I would have been most disappointed if there weren't any. And I don't understand how understanding the true causes of the events diminishes the memories of those who died.

All good points, and like I said, I really like watching Zeitgeist. I guess I shouldn't be so hard-pressed against conspiracy theories, it's just how I've been feeling the past few days or so...
I'm as quick to talk politics and get into conspiracies and "what's really going on" as anyone else, but sometimes I become hypocritical and think talk like that makes people look nutty and unstable.
I'm also pretty liberal and hippy-ish, but when I see other hippies and liberals being liberal and hippy-ish, it really puts my panties in a twist.
I'm a hypocrite, I guess that's the point I'm making here. Yup.

Nice to see you, Abby, always popping in when I need someone to make me feel like a turd.

"And I don't understand how understanding the true causes of the events diminishes the memories of those who died."
Well, I think we're of an agreement that nobody can be sure of the true causes, and therefore, in a way, families who have lost loved ones to the 9/11 attacks, are being forced to deal with uncertainty of how or why their loved ones actually perished. Stirring the pot and not letting it settle.
It is always best to know the truth, but when the truth is not something anyone can be CERTAIN OF, disregarding one's gut feeling, well... Well, I don't know. I'm shutting up now. Bye.

I love you, Jane. You are one of the few people who can look at themselves objectively and announce it truthfully.

Hahaha, oh man, you just inadvertently made me feel proud of being a hypocrite.
I love you back, woman.

Show me some who isn't a hypocrite and I'll show you...eh....my three cup bra.

How about a specific group that should be brought into special attention? ....none of them went to work in the towers that day.... as they were all exposed to what was going to happened, in my opinion the terrorists (as they call it) were either having alliances with them or actually one of them...can someone please tell me what exactly is Bush's religion?