define god

ok. theres'a lways a debate going around based on whether god is real or not..personally i don't think he is but that's just me....how about you? are you a believer or not?

I am a believer, but asking to define God is asking where Infinity stops. You can't define God.

Read my "Definition of Infinity" poem. All I have to say about that is in there.

~Ciao Lipton

I think i doesnt really matter what you have faith in, its just if you have faith that's important. That silent bob knows what he's talking about....
-A

i didn't mean to take the meaning of the title that literally. i don't want to know the actual DEFINTION of god....just curious about your opinions

The only thing that defines life is polar opposites.

WHAT IS GOD? Everything "good"
WHAT IS THE DEVIL? Everything "bad"

They stand for two ideals, perfection and defection.

How would you know what’s hot if you don’t know what’s cold?

So what is between God and Devil? What is the "luke warm" of this polar opposite? HUMAN.

God is a representation of goodness; the Devil is a representation of everything negative. However you portray them, in a book with children’s stories that adults have now learned to subscribe (bible) or by atheism, you cant deny the fact that throughout history God has been used to provide order and dominance, though often fear based, and to the benefit of a lucky few human beings who got the gold for their endeavors.

Organized religion is the largest mass mind control system ever developed, and it is proven. It still works to this day putting spiritual and psychological boundaries on humans who are now afraid to question what they have been taught is a sin to consider. That’s undeniable. And it’s sad.

If you control someone’s flow of information and instill their fears, you control their lives. The church controls all these lives, and get 10% of their incomes a year for it.

FACTS:
*The church is the only FOR PROFIT organization in the world that pays NO TAXES to any government.
*The largest single monetary holder in the world is the church.
*More people have died for the church and for their religion than any war ever in the history of the world combined
*The war in Iraq is over God and Allah as much as it is for oil and freedom.

I wonder if God or Jesus has ever seen a penny of that money.

Whatever happened to spiritual freedom????

you proved my point in a philoshopical way.

God is waking up in the morning and knowing your slippers are right where you left them.

yah, but you wouldn't know where they were.

yes I would... I have faith in my slippers.

how could you have faith in a non-living thing...wouldn't you just be setting yourself up for dissapointment...wouldn't it be easier to have faith in yourself that you will find them?

I have 100% total faith that when I slide my feet into them my feet will generate enough heat to get trapped within and warm my tootsies. You should have faith in more non-living things.

"God is waking up in the morning and knowing your slippers are right where you left them."

The statement means:

God is everywhere.

There, my hidden message that you missed is revealed. Something for you to ponder.

Bert

you got me thinking....

Excellent.

Thinking is good.

God could be considered consistancy, it is anything dependable. The fact that the sun rises every morning is bigger than I am, because I cant control it. Therefor it is just as worthy of the title "God" as anything else.

Anyone in AA? You must have a higher power, not GOD per say. God cant be yourself because you cant control everything, but there is a God IN you. Its the part of you that knows good over evil, that doesnt mean you listen to "Gods" voice though...

I know sometimes peple are turned off by religious beliefs because of the lack of unity. I have been to many AA meetings. the idea that the spirit of God is within us is not contrary to any religion that I am familiar with. God is Love. We are not offensive in AA and respect any understanding of a Higher Power I am not going to pretend that there are not a lot of problems in the world. I just don't see them being solved by denial. Cutting your wrist will not solve them nor will any drug known to science. All of my hope is in faith and love . THE SPIRIT OF GOD IS UNIVERSAL LOVE.

Scientifically it becomes a subjective matter.

The earth created in less than a week is entirely possible depending on the length of time in the day.

Venus' day, for example, lasts 243 of our own.

So the question is this, how long is a day for a God? Time must be relative.

Having said that I think you're right about the week.

Bert

bert guy is a internet geek...

and there no such thing as good and evil....

"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings."

Seems that Einstein was onto something. Seven day theory supported.

And yes, ryan, I am an internet geek. Writing for six hours plus on a PC will do that. At least I can sit up straight and admit it. Come back when you have something useful to contribute.

yes geek...theres other things to life then technology....

And more than 6 hours in the day.

then get off the internet...your 28...yes on a site full of teenagers...you like being a smart ass about everything...making yourself superior over us...does it get you off or something...

I am in no way superior to anyone, just different. If you feel inferior that's your problem, not mine.

I would defend myself, ryan, but you're not worth the effort it would take.

Coke, smile, stay on subject.

I would like one of the "bible thumpers," for lack of more respectful (or just better in general) term, come and tell me what makes the Bible true, besides the fact that inside of it it claims to be?

I was just going through all these other "God" debates and posts and all the Christians had to say was "I believe BLINDLY in God, because the Bible says...." really SMART guys. Ever dare to do some thinking for yourself? God and Jesus never came down to Earth and wrote any books people.... and if you want proactive action your going to have to do it yourself because Jesus isnt saving anyone who goes to Church from the next tsunami. Use common sense and some brain cells please... God gave them to us for a reason @#%&$%^$#%.

Dont get me wrong, I am a very spiritual person and I believe in God, I am ANTI organized religion for all the harm it has done man kind and the hindrences that it puts on our psychological, mental, and spiritual development.

Good people die everyday, Christians, Atheists, Jews, Buddhists, New Age, etc. And bad people survive, killers, rapists, con artists, assassins, etc. and people are saying that God saves those of us who deserve it? No, he doesnt. God does not hand pick those that deserve to live and he turns no one away. Life is about evolving into the very Gods that we worship, not about worshipping one for 80 years, dying, getting a harp, and playing it for all eternity welcoming your friends into the golden gates.

Well it is my belief that most who accept the purely objective view of creation do not fully understand it. I wrote a poem intitled 'Helper of Men' for an agnostic friend of mine it is posted on this site. faith is not opposed to reason it is above it. Natural disasters and death are not anything new. but to say I do not BELIEVE IN LOVE BECAUSE GOOD PEOPLE DIE . does not seem smart to me. I personally have no problem with organized religions. It is the disorganized ones that cause the hindrences you spoke of. I am not surprised however that you got the idea that you think that God loves only a select few who deserve it. None of us get what we deserve Jesus got that when he was on earth. I agree that God gave us a brain for a reason. I wish you would read my poem Free Bird
I can see how someone might get the idea that God's love is conditional, but that is not my understanding. it is sad that the temple has in many cases been turned into a market.

I'm a firm believer in the fact that not one religion has hit the nail on the head yet. But then who's to say one or all of then haven't? It's all interpretation.

Im not one for organised religion but have unshakable faith in God.

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It's all interpretation.

That's the whole thing about faith. You don't know, you believe, that's why it's called religious faith in the first place.

If we knew then everyone without fail would be religious.

Perhaps the good people that die every day (And lets face facts, everyone dies. The good, bad and average, no getting around that.) are chosen... called. but then perhaps everybody has a ticket and regardless of how you act you go when you go.

At the end of the day though it's not about when or how you die, it's about how you live.

Just for the record I do not think that God's love is conditional, God's love is 100% unconditional and he loves us all. I also did not mean to use the example "good people die," to prove that he cannot exist. I am a believer in an omnipotent being ruling over us, or "God," as some people call it.

It is the man made rules and doctrine that interfere with spirituality, hence "religion" is a clouded form of pure spirituality. You do not need a priest to interpret the word of God for you, and the simple fact that he hasn’t had sex for quite a number of years (except with little boys) probably clouds the message more than does it good, lol. OK. I am going to get attacked now.... JOKE people.

See how humans have twisted spirituality into some weird cultish thing? They are so uptight about RELIGION. Hardly anyone is uptight about their SPIRITUALITY, and people have hardly even drawn the correlation that they are the SAME THING, but extracted from religion is everything that humans, in our infinite imperfection, have added to it for power and control.

Religion uses human natures preservative instincts and fear of the unknown to get people to subscribe to their beliefs. Anyone who can’t see this needs to take a psychology course and get a clue. Humans have a natural desire to understand what we can not, we want control of our surroundings, and everything that we do not have control of is under Gods control, therefore we think that by finding a way to appease him "our" people will be saved in the end (from the unknown)... right.... ;)

People blindly accept what has been taught to them since when they were a child, because we have been taught not to question authority. Not only were our parents forcing the bible down many of our throats, but so was the church. An intimidating building with the authority figures standing above us preaching of hell, brimstone, and fire. It’s all so simple, yet people grow up still feeling like a child beneath those who know the word of "God."

Most serial killers and serial rapists have been religiously poisoned since childhood, and psychologists have accredited this to a large part of their problem, as well as a reoccurring circumstance in their lives. - FACT.

I believe in the use of the bible as a spiritual tool, I do not believe that everything it says is 100% correct because then chauvinism is godly, and so is discrimination against gays.

I agree that no one can prove that it is wrong... well... science has proved that it is wrong. At least earth science... 7 Venetian days is different than 7 earth days, in which it would be impossible to create a world supportive of an eco system, etc. but symbolically I believe that it has many good lessons to teach, just like any other book ever written.

no i dont beliueve i believed ppl invented god so that they may feel important and feel that humans here hav a point,. that we are superior and that idk we're jsut important god is jsut in ur head..... hes not really some man sitting on a cloud watching over u

OK. Are those actually trying to prove anything?

Thats BLIND FAITH. And it proves every point I have made.

"whatever..i DO belive in god..n no body made him up! he's been here for like..FOREVER"

How did he get discovered if no one ever made him up? Who found out he was there? Where is he if he's not sitting on a cloud?

God isnt a PERSON or even a BEING. God is an ideal. God has no face, God has no voice, God has no presence besides that of UNCONDITIONAL LOVE AND COMPASSION. Thats all God is. God is everything we cant explain, and humans needed a God to define everything undefineable. We needed something to explain everything we couldnt, so we came up with "God," to govern and explain everything beyond our own control and comprehension. Simple and psychological.

And the blind faith people are not proving anything here.... EXPLAIN your ideas, giving an actual logical reason.

I just ran across this on another thread:

"it's [witch craft] evil and it says anyone in the bible that neone who does it is going to hell..... srry people, but it's written there in ink..."

lol.

It also says condones racism, cheauvanism, and discrimination of sexual orientation. Plus do yourselves a favor and study how CHRISTIANITY WAS BORN. And how its main purpose was to stamp out "witch craft," which was any religion that did not subscribe to monotheistic and dogmatic belief. You guys have no idea how uneducated you seem quoting things like this when obviously you have not done any research and know nothing of the original basis of religion.

"How did he get discovered if no one ever made him up? Who found out he was there? Where is he if he's not sitting on a cloud?"

So Moses went up Mount Siniai and carved the commandments on a whim?

"God is an ideal. God has no face, God has no voice, God has no presence besides that of UNCONDITIONAL LOVE AND COMPASSION. Thats all God is."

You can prove this no more those of bling faith can there their side of the coin.

"And the blind faith people are not proving anything here.... EXPLAIN your ideas, giving an actual logical reason."

You aren't proving anything either, Kaitlin. You are using logical argument and opinion, not fact.

Bert

I have given many facts, actually.

And yes, these are my opinions, and I may be just as full of shit as I find you all to be. Simple.

I stand by my opinion because I have logical understanding and facts to stand behind, the only thing you guys are able to show is what the bible says about itself, thats like asking a murderer if he is guilty and taking his own word for it without doing the research.

Plus were you there when Moses carved the commandments? The bible could be just as much fiction as Harry Potter is and no one could prove it.

I am a very spiritual person, I DO believe blindly in GOD. BLINDLY. But I do not believe that RELIGION, or the BIBLE per say, has done anything but cloud the TRUE meaning of God and the meaning of life, as well as spirituality.

This is why everything is so messed up. We are arguing over whether religion or the bible is correct, when in actuality I am sure that our views on GOD are quite the same.

I believe that GOD loves us all unconditionally, and that he does exist, and that he is an omnipotent being of great love and of compassion.

I also have other views on him that you may not agree with, but that is because I have allowed myself the freedom to question age old, and puratinistic, ideas that were around during the dark ages. Others have not, and they will never find greater spirituality because of it.

Do what makes you happy, I am not trying to convert anyone here. I just have basis for my points that other people are not able to offer, that is what I am finding and have found. I consider many religious people "lost," they consider me to be lost and going to hell. The truce has been drawn.

I stand by my beliefs, you stand by yours. I just dont feel like in a debate any of your answers are sustainable.

I am a good person, and I am sure that most of the people reading this are good people, so why does it matter so much if we all do the right thing???? It doesnt.

I dont care what religion any of you are... if you are a good person I will see you in Heaven someday, and I dont believe any of you are going to be punished for your religious or spiritual beliefs, I dont believe in hell. I believe in the reincarnation principle, which my saying just might start another big debate, however I believe we are striving to become the Gods that we so worship. I dont care what any of you believe, as long as you arent raping and killing people you are all fine in my book, and in God's, whether you are Catholic, Jew, Buddhist, etc. God loves all of us.

"And yes, these are my opinions, and I may be just as full of shit as I find you all to be. Simple. "

Classic, kudos.

From the science side I think Zero Point Energy is worth looking into as a possible answer. Even in the most inert substance there is energy and it attracts other objects. This is throughout the universe, no single atom is without zeropoint energy, everything is connected by it. If God is in all things, could it ZPE?

Science cannot disprove God, just as Theology cannot prove God either.

If one or the other had definitive proof then there wouldn't be an argument.

Said it before, I'll say it again... That's why it's called faith.

Bert

On a side note, I think exactly the same way you do, Kaitlin.

Bert

You could very well be correct.

God cannot be proven or disproven, simply because the reason human kind grasped for a "God" to believe in in the first place was to be an answer for everything undefineable or unanswerable beyond scientific and human conprehension. Ancients used to believe that God lived in fire, just because they didnt know what it was.

Faith is one thing, BLIND faith is another, although I have blind faith, so who am I to tell anyone they are wrong? At the end of the day everyone has to do what is right for THEM, not for me, nor for anyone else.

Again, I ask people to go and see the movie "What the Bleep," it is fantastic and it is worth the 7 dollars to see it. It address' zero point energy, as well as many other ways that God manifests physically, etc. However it comes to the basic conclusion that faith and God is undefineable, because God itself stands for the undefined.

I believe that God is omnipotent, so if he really wanted to create the world in 7 days I do think he could. I also believe that God created science, so I dont think that he would go around his own creation, rather than let it evolve like it is supposed to naturally. Whats the rush???

Anyway I dont molest little boys.... I sexually violate grown men.....

But they like it....

And God supports my endeavors ;)

"I am a very spiritual person, I DO believe blindly in GOD. BLINDLY. But I do not believe that RELIGION, or the BIBLE per say, has done anything but cloud the TRUE meaning of God and the meaning of life, as well as spirituality."

How can the Bible possibly cloud the "true meaning of God?" All we know about God is in the Bible!

"I believe that GOD loves us all unconditionally, and that he does exist, and that he is an omnipotent being of great love and of compassion."

This is getting old. God is not only love, but He is righteous, and just. For some reason, no one wants to see that God is not a big happy grandaddy in the sky that loves us no matter what we do. There are two sides to God: Loving, and Just. Loving to His children, and just to the unrighteous. He doesn't love everyone unconditionally. If He did, there wouldn't need to be a Hell.

"I also have other views on him that you may not agree with, but that is because I have allowed myself the freedom to question age old, and puratinistic, ideas that were around during the dark ages. Others have not, and they will never find greater spirituality because of it."

This statement makes you sound arrogant, and prideful. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but it sounds as if you're putting yourself above everyone else. You don't know everyone, and you don't know what everyone has been exposed to.

"I stand by my beliefs, you stand by yours. I just dont feel like in a debate any of your answers are sustainable."

And you're the one trying to prove the illogic with logic?

"I am a good person, and I am sure that most of the people reading this are good people, so why does it matter so much if we all do the right thing???? It doesnt.

I dont care what religion any of you are... if you are a good person I will see you in Heaven someday, and I dont believe any of you are going to be punished for your religious or spiritual beliefs, I dont believe in hell. I believe in the reincarnation principle, which my saying just might start another big debate, however I believe we are striving to become the Gods that we so worship. I dont care what any of you believe, as long as you arent raping and killing people you are all fine in my book, and in God's, whether you are Catholic, Jew, Buddhist, etc. God loves all of us."

I am so sorry, but God doesn't love "everyone that's good." If you believe in the same God I do, there is one way to Heaven, and that is through Christ. Your saying that we are fine in God's book if we are good, is far beyond naive. God specifically says that works don't save you. Read Romans 3:28-31.

I would write more, but my time has gone.

~Ciao Lipton

Well those are all your beliefs that you are entitled to. I am not prideful or above anyone else, I do not believe the bible is above anyone elses beliefs either, and that it is the only way.

I do not believe that the bible is 100% fact. This is where we differ. There wont be middle ground.

There is no evidence that the bible is real other than the bible itself says it. Thats a fact.

Bret was right earlier when he said "Faith," there is nothing else to stand by.

I am dissapointed no one can explain their views without reference to the bible. You cant site a fact BY the fact, otherwise what else supports it? Nothing.

sure but sometimes "faith" is lost and then what do you turn to?

Nothing... thats why religion is always a good shoulder to cry on, but its also why it becomes a crutch.