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I would say that philosophically you may have a point, but I would also say that then "God" contradicts himself. Not all the religions believe that same thing, and not all the God's are revered to have the same power and influence. For instance some God's are egotistic while others are humble, some punish us and some are only unconditional love, they have different standards for sin and they have different ways of repention.

If "God" was all of those manifestations of the great omnipotent ruler I would imagine that he would have the same rules for everyone, therefor everyone would be one religion.

There was either intense static on the phone when God called in his rules of dogma along the lines of history, or the rulers are different and stand for different things.

Maybe we create our own realities after we pass, for isntance each of us individually have the afterlife that we plan for ourselves, if we fear that we may go to Hell, our fear plants a seed of possibility in the Universe and then starts to grow like a weed, if we believe that we are going to go into Heaven we will go into the existance that we think of. Anything is possible.

They say that spirits can be in many places at once, that there is not only one. It is a consciousness, its not like a physical being that can only be in one place, just like God, sees all, knows all, hears all, etc.

So what if our consciousness goes into everyones version of the after life, because the Christians think that all none believers go to Hell all the none Christians consciousness goes to some form of Hell, and because some of those people have differeing views a piece of their consciousness goes into a different reality, all converging.

Possibilites are endless, but to refer back to Brets question, it could be, however there was a misunderstanding along the way if it is true.

"How do we know what God commands?? We dont. The Church does not have any more of a direct connect with God than anyone else."

That's what the Bible is for. The Bible is God's commands.

"Religion is going to have to bend to popular belief, otherwise it will cease to exist."

So far, the denomination I'm a part of, has been doing good for over several decades, and we don't bend to anything. Anytime something comes up (ie, gay marriage) we look to the Bible. We don't care what the masses believe, and in fact, we do open our doors to the community, and all around.

"I also didnt say that YOU said any of those things, those are things that are connotated by the Church's action or things implied by the Bible..."

What do you mean? You quoted me, and then went on to explain/question my quote.

As for your question, Bert, I would say, I partly agree with Kaitlin. If all of these "different" Gods were actually one God, then, we should have the same rules, and then we all would be dying for Holy War...

~Ciao Lipton

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I'm getting insecure about getting quoted all the time.

Now I guess I know how God feels, lol.

Hyper analization can be a bad thing, leads to schizophrenia and a multitude of other personality disorders, like JustPlainMe-ism, which, trust me, none of us want.

Anyway Humans interpret the word of God. He doesnt speak for himself, and humans make errors. So therefor nothing is gaurnateed, not even the Bible. Humans wrote it. God didnt sign it for approval, or at least I dont see his signature on it, nor on the "indulgences" that the Church used to sell.

I know the line you are getting at here Kaitlin, and your argument, whilst sound in the black and white factual world, doesn't hold any weight in reality.

What do we KNOW about God? Not a damned thing.

What do we believe in God? Whether that is though a self realsed system of self government in the eyes of your God or devotion through organised religion, that's up to us, it's called faith and if you have that then nothing else matters.

I agree with you.

That is what I am saying, but people dont readily question their beliefs. Its psychologically instilled since childhood.

"whilst sound in the black and white factual world, doesn't hold any weight in reality."

The black and white factual world is reality. That doesnt mean there is no room for philosophy, and that is exactly what I am bringing to the table, however I have facts that support my arguments that are black and white, and "real world," hence factual.

Not everyone is capable of thinking for themselves, and I understand that. I still think its far better to try and find the answers yourself than have someone tell you, and that is all I am encouraging. I am not forcing my beliefs down other peoples throat, I am questioning others and offering my reasoning. Anyone is more than welcome to do the same to me.

Its about what works individually, as I have stated before, my way is not the way for everyone, most people dont think like I do, so it cannot be. But I have a ridiculously fervent belief that dogmatic religion does more harm than good and inhibits self growth. Personal opinion, of which I am entitled.

True, though personally I wouldn't try and push a philosophical reasoning with factual questioning.

I would love to believe in god however, If he exists why do people cut themselves they're so upset and cry themselves to sleep at night, Why do people commit suicide because they can't bare to live anymore?

God doesn't make anyone do any of these things. As Kaitlin said, people create their own problems.

Free will is the single most important concept in faith. God is just a big old omnipotent voyeur. She doesn't make you do anything, though from time to time if you show faith in Her (or Him or It), She'll show faith in you.

Yeh, I just dont think I can believe when I cry I dont feel like anyones there. I just dont understand

All of God is philosophical

All of reality is factual

So the existances colide when you are applying how God works and commands the physical reality that we find ourselves in everyday, they must be applied and weighed together.

God does not take away our free will to suffer and he does not make our lives cushy because we wouldnt learn anything. Its a tough love concept, he loves us enough to let us make our own mistakes and let us learn from them, but he will be there at the end. He lets us stray, but he gave us consciounses to let us know what is right and what is wrong and the sensation of pain to know when we are off the right path. The right path feels right. When people are cutting, drinking, doing drugs, commiting suicide, and depressed they are obviously on the wrong path and their lives reflect that because of the pain they feel. They have to learn to function and faith can help them through that, otherwise God does not directly intervene, we wouldnt learn anything.

ok lets say that there is a God. How did he come to be? i mean something or some one HAD to creat him, but then who created that, and ect.

no lets say there ISN'T a God.
The big Bang theroy. well there could have been a big bang, but who/what created the thigns that made the big bang? and who/what created thoes things?

answere ne one? just want your alls opinions.
Bianca

I see God as the essence and consciousness of all creation.

Everything had to start somewhere.

I dont know how God came to be though...

Hmmmm.

How about the two came along at once?

God is born out of the very first thought... BANG! And God created light.

Think of it like a brain cell that fires when used.

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lol Bret, but just because, who created the first thought? and how did they create it?

Ok, say Space is a blank canvas it's always been there (never try to go beyond the big bang, I've tried and it's painful)... Atoms, electrons, elements all just floating about aimlessly.

A few random items collide together in just the right way, that primordial soup, positively charged and it creates that spark. Thought is first thought and God is 'born'. The first being.

Now this, as a concept, is mind numbingly difficult to grasp and expand upon. I'm not going to try and elaborate, we'll just say it was PURE LUCK and be done with it.

good theroy, makes more sense to me then most do but im crazy so:) lol yeah luck sounds liek a good idea to me, but hey you knwo me, i like to debate:P
So Pure Luck it is./
Bianca
ps yeah tried to go beyond big bang, the voices in my head yell at me, it hurts my brain, and makes me srazier:P lol sry im in a good mood, for some odd reason)

JPM~
okies, i guess if thats what you wann do?! lol go for it.

God is spelled G-O-D

I hope this helped!

Luye

If God really did get high it might explain the shape of the world today.

I would say that if I thought God should bail us out of painful reality, but we have the chance to create our own, so I dont believe he does.

Bret's right, if you try and go before space its painful. I wouldnt recommend it, I tried and I drew nothing but a blank, but at the same time blankness would be all of existance, so I guess I was right.

Anyway it does pose the question, how did space come to be, but.... no one knows what is beyond space.... more space? hmmm. Headache.

Anyway I kind of like JPM's theory. Maybe we are guinea pigs and God could give a shit. Maybe the only reason he created drugs was so he could use them, but seriously, who created God? Hmmmm. Thats kind of like the blank space question.

I must say, if I could ask God two questions it would be those.

I believe in God because of what is in the Bible.
I believe in Go d Because creatoin expresses His reality.
Those of you that disagree with that it is because God has not opened your eyes spiritually. In other words you are spiritually dead, as you were when you were born. Do I hear any Amens!

Amen

This is a zombie topic.

Dead, buried, and then brought back.

Creepy.

the evolution shit? I believe that has been proven..... Am i right?

another gr8 reply teys!! :D

OMG pokemon annoy the hell outa me

tEys:

God is infinite. Look up that word.

No one EVER said that "Since God hasn't been proven to exist, He might! Therefore, I believe in Him."

I believe in God, because I choose to. Whether you WANT to believe He exists or not, is your own choice. I can just say, I'd rather live my life, believing He is real, dying, and finding He is not, than living my life, believing He is not, dying, and finding out He is.

However, the arguments against God have not been proven, either, so where do we draw the line? Do any of us believe in anything?

And the pokemon deal is a load of crap, because it's plainly obivous that Pokemon was created for money, and fun.

~Ciao Lipton

God is whatever you beleive, be it tyrant, king... or any other nonsense. It's merely the definition for something more powerful than us.

We have all done the God-go-round, and it all comes down to FAITH. That's it.

LOGICALLY, religion does not pan out. It is ALL FAITH, there is no proof outside itself that it is factual. Religion is the antithesis of logic.

And Matt, you may want to skim my posts throughout this topic, you may find them interesting because they are based metaphysically and quantum physically. You're not alone in this one, so you dont need to get a loan for your lawyer ;).

And Lipton, fight the good fight. You're so dedicated to your beliefs, that is muniscently admirable.

I know, God cant exist because of it.

Now go cut.

But PLEASE dont write a poem about it.

We dont need one more ;)

lol.

Logical.

I know.

I'm bored. I need a new name.

Good points.

We never mind him ;)

i think he's a non-existant being......who wants to convince me otherwise?

LIPTON!!!!!!!!!!!

We need you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LoL, Kaitlin? If that's REALLY your name ;)

I am not here to convince anyone that I'm right and they are wrong. If Emmerz wants to believe God is not real, then He is not real in her life.

I guess I'm not fully understanding your outcry for help...?

~Ciao Lipton

lol............for god...
i think there's something out there that i guess can be considered God...not only that by the big bang theory doesn't really say that God doesn't exist...it is actually proving his existance in a way...because for the big bang to occur, you would need a huge energy source...and what could produce such energy? God!
but hey what do i know?

lol, Lip, I'm just giving you a hard time. I love you to death.

And yeah, it's me. Kristina, Kaitlin, KKO, pick your pleasure, I'm all 3 :)