CUTTERS READ THIS NOW

you know no offence but ive found this out

CUTTING DOES NOTHING BUT LEAVE HORRIBLE HAUNTING SCARS there are SOOOOOOOOOOOO many other methods to releiving stress or letting go of anger or whatever reason it is that ppl cut. yeah i used to cut but i dont anymore cuz i found out that its wrong and once you stop your gonna look at your body and see all those scars and wonder why or one time thigns are going to go wrong and before you have the chance your dead. im sorry but you people have to stop!!!

no offence to ya'll but for serious get some help

Emmerz

Emmerz, you are just about to be hit with 70 or so comments as to how you are an awful person just for saying that. Have fun, and lock your door tonight!

what do you mean by that? im speaking my mind aint no law about that

That is the most Naive comment I've ever read. Emmerz, you have no idea about peoples lives.

Yep, what did I say?

August, you're just as infuriating.

i never said i did have an idea about ppls lives yeah i know some ppl got it worse than me which is pretty unbelieveable considering my life but we wont get into that ANYWAY and i know ppl got it better than me majority of the pop. if im not mistaken and im just saying that cutting is not the answer no matter what people think you can call me a bitch you can call me anything you want im speaking my mind and ain't no one gonna stop me!

Thank you, and may no one ever take my place. Emmerz, I had two threads get shut down. i'm the king of pissing these people off.

right and your point is?

You seem to like the fact that you ahve that freedom and can create such controversy with it.

I haven't said a word about calling you a 'Bitch' I have tactfully expressed my feelings without resorting to abuse.

I haven't said you've had a worse life than anybody else, I'm just saying that you don't understand how THEY themselves feel and how weak they are. People learn from their mistakes, as have you.

Most people realise what they're doing is wrong, but can't seem to stop. Hence it being an ADDICTION.

People on this site don't want to listen to you or me.

You're right, the both of you, Shush.

well if people realize what they are doing is wrong a smart person would SEEK HELP!!!!

and you know i dont care if ppl dont wanna listen to me im just putting my opinions out there

Emmerz

Define 'Help.'

People going to a psychiatrist?

A psychiatrist can make bad situations a hell of alot worse. They are a pointless waste fo money if the person attending the sessions isn't able to open up, as are alot of people that cut.

..And yes, I know you can get a psychiatrist on the NHS or on an emergency referral. That doesn't change the fact that they don't help people who refuse help.

And for that matter, are you suggesting that all people who cut aren't smart?

I thinks it's worse that people know they're doing it, why they're doing it and still refuse to do anything about it.

And there are plenty of ways to get help, lots of avenues, distractions, choices... still, as long as you're happy with being a depressed cutter why should anyone care about your plight? And if cutters don't care and don't want help why are there more posts on here than I can shake a stick at?

Personally I don't care either way. It's your life not mine, do what you gots to do.

no im not saying that all people who cut are not smart im just saying if they would take a step back a realize what they are actually doing to theirselves not only physically but mentaly as well they will hopefully realize that they need help and seek it before they take things too far

why should anyone care about your plight? And if cutters don't care and don't want help why are there more posts on here than I can shake a stick at?

what do you mean by that?

Bret..

The reason you're reading so much about cutting/self harming is because you're reading the 'Depression' section of the forum.

The people who are happy with what they do, deal with it and get on with it. Refusing help, seeking no attention. People then condemn them for thinking that it's right and for not letting anybody in or accepting any form of help. THe minute they realise they need help, try to find a mild form of help, like somebody off here, they're condemned for that too.

Tell me, what should they do if It's already an addiction?

You talk of persons who cut as a group. The circumstances behind each act of self-harm are unique. You CANNOT group people because of one action from a single person.

That's why there's so much controversy. People assume that because one person may have wanted help, that everyone wants it and when people write of how they do it, without wanting attetion, they're judged as if they are.

Emmerz..

Countless people understand what they're doing is wrong, understand the consequencies and the cost of each act but can't seem to stop it.

THAT'S the problem for the majority of people, It's already a powerful addiction. Those that don't understand the results don't want to stop, therefore don't speak up for it or 'Seek attention.'

The fact there is a depression forum underlines my point.

"The people who are happy with what they do, deal with it and get on with it."

Like I said, I don't care, it's not my business how anyone lives their lives, it is still interesting and worth discussing though.
Your wording is more than a little confusing. Are depressed cutters really HAPPY?

Tell me, what should they do if It's already an addiction?

Classic Catch 22 question. With any addiction you seek help... but you're happy with the addiction, right?

This is a cutters thread, l define cutters as one group of the self harm culture and hence tar with the same brush in this case.

I honestly assume nothing. I am in correspondance with two people who self harm. I am well aware that most people are happy to spend their days doing what they want without outside intereferrence. Posting on this forum which is not confined to people who cut/burn/abuse alcohol/chase the dragon/whatever leaves you open to outside influence and the thoughts of those who are not members of the cutting club.

The depression forum is for those who seek help, not abuse, however unintentional It may be.

To quote: 'Need A Shoulder To Cry On?'

Yes, you're right. My wording is confusing.
Re-phrased: Those people who do not want/have no reason to change what they do, deal with it and get on with it.

It's in stereotyping people that causes confusion and lack of will to understand the situation.

I'm not syaing you aren't allowed to post your views, I'm just challenging them.

P.S. Could you try not to phrase your sentences with such complexity, I'm finding it hard to understand! I'm only 15 :T

i think emmerz jsut wrote that not in a rude way but just to say stop bc its not rite.. she didnt mean i ahte everyone who cuts.. she jsut ment plz stop.... wen august tlks he says he hates suicidly ppl but emmerz i think is more owrried she sed no offense so she doesnt mean it rudely.... i think shes jsut watching out so dont flip out on her or anythign she seem alrite...
but emmerz im sryy no one is gonna lsiten to wut u sed we're all to depressed ot think rashonaly i no itd b rite to stop but its an addiction

by the way this was a pointless convo! everyoen shood shut up u cant jsut stop u cant jsut stop! i reread this and omg! august shut up! ironic allure u rock i agree with every word u sed. emmerz i no were jsut stating ur opinoin but... ur not elping..ur jstu creating a fite.. if u have someone close to u that u care about taht cuts tell them this ley will listen bc thye love u but to everyone this site u are jsut a screen with a blur of writing on it

emmerz
If you don't like then why talk about it?
if all it does is bug you, then why think of it?

I'm cutter, and I know what I'm doing to my body, I know that in the furture, I will have these scares to look at on my stomach, wrist, and legs, I know all the results to cutting, I've tried to stop but it gets as addicting as smoking does.

Not talking about subjects you have an issue with results in nothing at all.

Hi Ironic,

Re-phrased:

Believe me, there is a reason to change because it's an addiction, right? Obviously it isn't being dealt with because the cutting continues.

Stereotyping:

Self stereotyping is also happening here. People are labelling themselves according to the way they self-harm, turning it from a problem into a culture. It'll become 'cutting chic' or some other title next. So confusion is here already, it is rife and only makes the problem worse.

If you read Self Harm Rant [Backbone please] (which I am sure you have already) you'll see that that understanding the problem is the first thing I have tried to do.

Challenging views:

If you didn't challenge views nothing would get solved. That's how life works, keep it up!

I think I'll stay complex though, *grins* it's just the way I am. I wouldn't ask you to change your writing style, you'll get used to it.

Bert

Bert..

Those who don't understand the effects of what they're doing have no reason to change. If they don't understand, they'll only see it as a temporary release which DOES seem to help them. However twisted it may be. It isn't being dealt with because alot of people don't WANT to change. It's not because they LIKE what they're doing, It's more so the fact that they have a trust issue and can't seem to explain anything to anyone.

Stereotyping:

I think the fact that there are so many adolescents self-harming highlights the corruption in this world. It is NOT a fad, or a culture, It's the result of childhood inadequacies that seem to be continuing.

If you are willing to understand the problem, It shows that you do actually care about what people are doing. THen again, It could just be plain curiosity, so I'll back down on that one.

I only asked you to change your writing because it 12pm and I'm 15! How you structure your sentences is your choice, I was just hoping maybe you'd dilute your language slightly in order for me to understand!

Can I ask too, Is your name 'Bret' or 'Bert' ?

-Laura.

Stereotyping:

I'll freely admit it is curiosity over care. I have come to care about one person, who I am contact with and that person is self harming, not cutting.

Sentence structure:

*grins* never feel you have to defend yourself with me. If it gets too tough you can always fall back on dictionary.com. Not understanding everything, be it 12pm or 12am, is a good thing anyways. It makes us strive to learn.

My name is Bret, but everyone knows me as Bert. Use which ever floats your boat, Laura.

Much respect.

Bert

You have valid points.

You're just as stubborn as many though, but I admire your will to understand both sides. Not alot of people accept opinions/views if they're not parrellel to their own.

Take care of yourself.
All my love,
Laura.

"so you believe all cutters have problems?
looks may be deciving"

That's the most stupid comment I've EVER heard.

People who self-harm very clearly have problems that they are finding hard to understand or get over. If It's a way of " venting anger/pain/depression " they OBVIOUSLY have something going on that's causing them to feel this way. It's people like you who cause self-harmers to have a bad reputation.

By suggesting they don't have problems, you are unintentionally allowing people to assume. Assumptions are the main cause of the controversy!!

A problem has obviously occurred for you to feel like you don't belong in the world.

If they don't have problems, then tell me why they self-harm?

-Laura.

hey people im really sorry about all of this my sister has been posting stuff under my name! so i just wanted all of you to know this!

the real Emmerz

Bret I havent ever talked to you...but from what comments I have read about you...I really don't like you much...why don't you ALL just shut up and get off cutters, if it isn't you, anyone you know personally, or your family, then keep your noses out of it, it's none of anyone elses business, if we wanted help, don't you think we'd get it? I'm really not trying to be a bitch here...but all of these cutter threads n shit are pissing me off.

Daddy's I totally understand your feelings, and I respect your honesty.. feel free to hate away. But it isn't going to make me stop talking about it, sorry.

I have a mate who suffered terrible post natal depression and didn't tell us about it. She was self harming for three years (bear in mind she is over thirty) only now, after she has qualified as a midwife did she tell us.

The more I discuss the more I learn, the more I learn the better I understand.

Bert

Yeah! You know what else pisses me off? Well, okay, I have this thing. I like to talk about issues in today's culture. The problem is that people keep on telling me it's not my issue. As a member of this exclusive society, i feel no major issues like this should be left unspoken. Obeseity in the US is an issue, yet no overweight individual has the nerve to say it's no one's problem but his or hers.

When people give advice/help they make suggestions, they don't demand they follow their orders, they just suggest differetn ideas or what they feel is right. The choice is within the person to decide whether they take heed or ignore it.

-Laura.

" You've gotta know when to help and when to leave it. And people don't like being told what to do "

That suggests that helping people is telling them what to do, not suggesting ideas.

And there was no need for your sarcasm.

-Laura.

Emmerz, what was your point in posting this? Do you think that people are going to stop cutting themselves just because they read this post? "Oh! Emmerz thinks I should stop cutting. So I'm going to stop right now!" wow, works like magic.
What exectly did you hope to achieve in posting this little piece of useless opinion?
And you go on about sacrs, how cutting leaves scars, and you're going to have horrible scars... WELL DUH!!!! I think people that cut themselves know that they are going to have scars left behind and if they still choose to cut, leave them! It's none of your business!
You used to be a cutter and you think that just because you stopped and realized it was "wrong" that everyone else should. Leave people do their own thing. It has nothing to do with you.

Emmerz is allowed to voice his opinion; you are allowed to accept or deny it.

Raven

excuse me for being raped 3 times and for having to watch my best friend my brother die right in front of me excuse me for having a neice who was raped at 13 by the man who caused her fathers(my bro's) death and excuse me for having a father that hits me and my mother on a regular basis and excuse me for trying to help people!!!!

She is entitled to her own opinion guys
Plus she has stated a point about cutting doing nothing but leaving scars
She was rather heartless in her communication though so I can understand why so many of you got upset...Probably being much like my mum really...pointing out the harsh reallities and expecting that to make me want to stop whatever my form of self harm be at the time.
However for some people I can understand they really do get a sense of relief from self harming

Just my opinion :o)

Eirisa