Death Penalty

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Do not bring religion in/religious views are mostly common and known..about this issue.
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Should more States adopt the death penalty?
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This question came to mind after reading two different stories on how two States carried out sentences by lethal injection only days a part. With over the crowded jail system in a lot of states, my question is should more States go back to using the death penalty as an alternate way of punishment?

We all can recall the stories of how some States resorted to early prison releases due to the over crowded situations, only to hear how the felon was later charged with another crime and some questioned why were they ever released to begin with.

While this could easily pose a arguable debate as to why or why not, anti-death penalty protesters would always choose the latter. Texas is known for being the nation's most active death penalty state, so of course it was one of the states involved.

One other question came to mind, Is it right to kill someone that has killed?

What makes the justice system any different from the person who is being subjected to discipline. Kind of make you say umm, doesn't it? Again arguable. The reason for all of this was because of a big debate on how Arizona, which was the other state used Sodium thiopental imported from Britain.

Some would say no big deal right?

But, Britain outlawed the death penalty and has not carried out an execution since 1964. Sound like a contradiction right? How do you on one hand be against something, but profit on the other hand? Someone had questioned whether it was criminal for the British firm to profit from the supply of drugs used in the execution.

What about those people freed on wrongful imprisonment? Oops. But what if that state had the death penalty? You get the picture.

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Mmmm for fact, you have said this:

"Especially if it was a serial killer - proof they have killed often and killed in some twisted, weird spirited way."

>Which tricks me as well, because in MY personal opinion (I some times don't believe in " eye for an eye" as well..)

But; I am against death penalty, and against the life in prison sentence.

Now despite the type of the crime that has been done, for someone to be sentenced for life in prison!..A criminal who has spent more than 60 or 40 (etc) years in prison , should not be left in prison!

...I don't get it, some times they get old, and ill yet left because it's what they have been judged for.
>But why to keep someone in prison if they are not dangerous anymore and can't harm the society!

And why to go by death penalty if they are going to die and would not feel the real taste of being punished so they regret!

And there is this point, a serial killer or wat ever they are called..are not NORMAL people, and do have brain troubles..They have serious psychological problems..

so how is that teaching others..and how would that help them, and help the society.

"Every human person is created in the image and likeness of God; and has an inviolable dignity, value and worth." This quote from an ecclesiastically approved article also stated that "both the most wounded victim, and most calloused criminal retain their humanity. They both possess a dignity, value and worth that must be recognized, promoted, safeguarded and defended"

In an ideal society there would not be a need for prisons or death chambers The late Pope said we live in a culture of death but that does not mean we should condone a culture that leaves so much to be desired Life is sacred and executions should be as rare as abortions. I am surprized that I have no strong political or personal views on a standard of goverment control here.

This quote from an ecclesiastically approved article also stated that "both the most wounded victim, and most calloused criminal retain their humanity. They both possess a dignity, value and worth that must be recognized, promoted, safeguarded and defended"

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and I am not trying to tolerate with Criminals..or anything like that.
But as A fact and as I said b4..criminals have psychological problems, and execution should not be an option to solve that. Because even as an option it is not a solution..It's nothing more than a termination!

I agree, and so do the authors of my article

Lol yes obviously :P

I don't think anyone ever came out a better person after having been in prison. If anything they learned more about being"bad"from the bad guys and probably will have trouble sitting on a chair for the rest of their lives :p

Death sentence is something that is irreversible and if a mistake is made ( wrong place, wrong time, etc.), there is no way to bring the prisoner back once he is executed.

I feel the only way to change things is to learn young children to respect other people and make them see we are all responsible for each others happiness and safety...and hold a little less value to making money;)

So in other words: we should change our ways as a society, in order to prevent crimes from happening that are so serious we feel the need to kill the perpetrators who commited them.

I am opposed to taking what our Creator once gave us, who are we step into His shoes?

The death penalty was a good idea, back when we had no idea what caused people to commit crime and had even fewer ideas of how to assist them.

We do now.

Some people deserve to be locked up for life, and when I say life I mean life, but those people, for the most part weren't born serious offenders. They almost always had a really harsh childhood or bad experience that changed them into someone negative.

The death penalty is basically us, as a society saying we've failed. With all our learning and wealth and oppurtunity, we can't do anything..nothing at all for this person, except kill them.

It's a massive cop-out, like sweeping dust under the carpet. Doesn't make the world a better place.

I'm not advocating a soft approach for hardeneded murderers or child abusers/rapists etc, lock em up for sure..but for goodness sakes try and get them some therapy and rehabilate them. If that doesn't work, life in prison.

Ingrid yes, and that's because most of the prisons around are not organized and because they lack new and modern ways to better the life in prisons..

If criminals..had a cleaner life in prison it self, with the suitable atmosphere to be better people They would be better..

Again I am no defending any criminal at all, but We should never forget that some people who commit crimes..or robberies do it because they had no other way!

Studies did proof a hugeee number of POOR ppl spending life in prison for robberies. But again, if they where given the opportunity for a better life, better education..then they would have never went the wrong way!

But no money..no education..no education..no knowledge..no knowledge no society..no society..etc etc..we know how it goes.

No body ever kill for personal pleasure or satisfaction, unless they have psychological problems, which can't be solved by death penalty or by getting rotten in prison and being eaten by worms eh!

(not coming close to crimes being committed as revenge etc..)

I'm not advocating a soft approach for hardeneded murderers or child abusers/rapists etc, lock em up for sure..but for goodness sakes try and get them some therapy and rehabilate them. If that doesn't work, life in prison.
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Yes that's exactly what I Think should be done..Tho I am still against spending life in prison..esp when they are too old for it. DESPITE their past.

Sunshine, if someone is so morally bankrupt, and has acted against their fellow humans in such a way as to deserve life in prison, letting them out just because they are old doesn't seem fair.

If they take a life, or several or abuse a child, or several...their life is forfeit and should be spent locked up, ideally trying to rehabiliate whilst working for society in prison.

Kevin, then tell me why are prisons made up for ..
I don't see why it's not fair, if they have already spent all these years there..How dying in prison for things they may have regretted doing, is considered fair as well.. Unless prison is for revenge and not for keeping ppl who are considered dangerous locked..

>And no not always.Some people DOn't have the opportunity to better their life..Even if they badly wanted to. Or else we wouldn't see all these uneducated ppl..these corrupted societies..who do need and want..but LACK the ability to reach what ever they want.

>>>>BUT again..I can't take it as a rule..so yes maybe some don't wanna do the hard work..but they remain some..and only some

Not all poor people resort to crime, that is something that shows lack of character and/ or inner strength. I feel for all who have lost their way, we must never forget that no one has it easy. You always think the grass is greener on the other side, but it's not. We all have issues, problems, etc...and all of us deserve a good start in life and to be respected, even when we are poor or ugly, or whatever it is that makes some think they are above the other.

If we kill a person who has killed, we commit the same crime, it is only our intentions that are different (and the feeling we have a right to play God)

Man..that was well said..

Lol, thanks Nana:) Enjoy your debate, I am going to hit the hay!

If I may interject myself into this conversation here...that's difficult because that is in itself...revenge. Just instead of you killing them you're having the state kill them with lethal injection and all. Obviously no one wants that to occur, and everyone would be outraged to the point of wanting to kill them, but that really does just tie back into the emotional taking over the logical. The logical side of it is that clearly this person has something wrong with them...getting such a thrill out of kidnapping, child molestation, homicide and necrophilia...they have something physiologically wrong with them and when you look at that without the revenge factor and your own emotions there is only that they are someone who was essentially playing from behind the whole time and has something wrong with them. It is only right to attempt to help them, because in the end of course they did something horrible, absolutely atrocious, but they are a human being, one who has something wrong with them, and need to be treated as such. Yes they are able to function at a normal level in society for the most part compared to someone who is severely mentally disabled, but they are in the same vein, and when that brain imbalance or whatever you want to call it shows itself and they perform an act like doing all that to your child, they are showing the issue within themselves. Now clearly there are different facilities for a reason, between the prison mental hospitals and the actual prisons and maybe there needs to be more variety in the facilities available (in fact I know there should be), and hopefully that will help with potential rehabilitation. My point is, asking yourself would you want that person dead? yes. But you'd be saying that out of emotion, not logic, and that's a revenge killing, which is no better. Bah off to class now, adios

Hellon, you said it..in way that I almost changed my mind..from that point..yes I would agree with u..

From Nicks' explanation..and analysis..I return back to my opinion..

you are not bad ur self nick..gd gd..:P

Ya you are definitely right..

but now u may NOT believe me..but even then I would not wish death for them..

WHY?
I think when they are sentenced for life, they would wish death BADLY..Easier

Lol I don't have faith in that either

and ya but even in that case , the case which I said I prefer on death penalty I still think it needs to be reviewed as well.

No one is perfect enough to be able to judge someone else..and to have the authority to judge the end of their life. I understand prisons and the need of having them.. Yes many should be jailed and punished. Yet no one's perfect THAT much to say that the X Criminal should be left in prison till they depart life.

I worked with a woman that has a brother on death row. It is against Tennessee Law to carry out the death penalty on someone whose sanity is in question.
In the last century many death sentences have been carried out that would have bothered the consciences of most of us today and I am sure bothered the excecutors that by law were obliged to cary them out

Edward Donald Slovik (February 18, 1920 January 31, 1945) was a private in the United States Army during World War II and the only American soldier to be executed for desertion since the American Civil War.

Although over 21,000 American soldiers were given varying sentences for desertion during World War II, including 49 death sentences, Slovik's was the only death sentence carried out
"They're not shooting me for deserting the United States Army - thousands of guys have done that. They're shooting me for that brass I stole when I was 12 years old." He was 24

Should more States adopt the death penalty?
I did overlook the request to leave religion out of this ,so to make a long story short my conscience tells me they should not. Justice is good, but mercy is even better.

Michael..Thank u so much for telling us this story..wow.. I swear my heart squeezed..and if these where his words, then Dammn I can not say a word..
24.. Eh
no justice Indeed

Sadly yes and now if we go into the justice system we go into the corruption of it as well. If two men commit the same crime and one has lots of money and has connections to people in "high places" who knows where he'll end up, his parole may go through and he may be back on the streets, while the other with no money and no connections will undoubtedly rot in prison without a second thought. It's unfortunate, but if this debate is purely about the principle of the thing then that is one thing, but if this is about our states and our society then sadly you cannot get away from the corruption that occurs. And Michael I had forgotten about Slovik's case, I had read about that before. It's heartwrenching stuff. I feel that we are working towards becoming more and more "tolerant" as a society with all the information being brought forth by science about the brain and the human being as a whole. There's less "coping out" through the death penalty because now people can actually turn to scientific reason for things. Fingers crossed for a brighter tomorrow, we have to start somewhere.

Nick that was really well said..and well it was more about the principles ..but
yes the corruption is onething that we can't miss..

I have seen a poem about his issue b4, I wish I can find it..

Then, I am not trying to be pessimistic but I doubt there's a way to get rid of all the corruption.
There will always be the strong and the one who got the authority more than the other.. If justice was a man he would have been killed :)

Should more States adopt the Death Penalty?
I say yes, If beyond all doubt, someone has murdered a fellow Human Being, and found Guilty by a Jury of their peers of the crime punishable by the Death Penalty.....I say yes, yes indeed. What good are they to society, even Life in prison is a cake walk....three hots and a cot.....color TV, exercise facilities, hot water.....All paid for by a country's taxpayers....
I also think Abortion should fall under the Death Penalty. Now there is a can of Worms!!!
This opinion strictly speaking is without any Religious Bias.

I also think Abortion should fall under the Death Penalty

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Do u mind, explaining that further more ?
Not that I didn't get what you said. I just want to make sure that I did not misunderstand your opinion over here.

Interesting discussion and even more interesting points.

I have to say I'm torn and undecided on this as well. I've stood at times 100% for the death penalty, three years ago to be exact, but now I'm not. yes there were times I've seen, studied and read so many cases that I felt like going and killing the person myself if allowed but then the more I thought about it, the more I changed my mind.

the whole idea of death penalty revolves around if it's justice or revenge or impatience or disbelieve that a person if put in the right environment (which of course would not be prison or our sorts of prisons to be exact) would change.

I don't believe anyone is born a criminal or a murder (so it won't help ''eliminating'' them as the death penalty seems to work). I believe we as a society and we as people make them. some of us are fortunate enough to not have been exposed to things that would make them such, be it too much power or too much lack of it. or be it wrong values, thoughts and morals installed in us or just being raised in inhuman or violent places. or being exposed to certain things. or being controlled by greed or racism...etc. or being with a week character or mind, or be it needy and oppressed enough to resort to such.

My point is it could have been anyone of us if we were not fortunate enough to not be exposed to such or if we were not strong enough to be able to fight, resist and overcome whatever hardships that have been thrown our way. I don't like the thought of righteous us standing and declaring someone's life over while we've never been there and never understood. I don't like it that just to quiet or make the victim's family feel better we should kill the person.

we don't rape people who have raped, we don't personally assault or harass or abuse people who have done the same to us or someone we know. then why kill? it won't bring the one who's dead back. it won't bring justice.

don't think of the family, think of yourself. would you, if murdered, wish on someone who's killed you to be murdered?

I wish every person that had someone attacked, raped or murdered would more of try to understand why and for what reasons and the minds of such people, I wish they would work to know how to deal with and prevent such. I wish before we accuse a person we'd look at what made him such and try to reduce such factors.

we have a huge problem with levels of crime raising all around the world. you can kill them all you like but it won't help. unless you understand why and where is the problem exactly we all fail and we all die.

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as to religion, I don't think it's point is clear on this.. let me quote because someone explains things more briefly and clearly than I would.

''When it comes to talking about the ultimate punishment, capital punishment, it talks about intentional murder, and it says that in the case of intentional murder there are three options. One option is that the family of the victim would demand compensation... a sum of money in compensation... The second possibility is that the family of the murderer demand exaction, i.e., then the offender would be killed. And third is to forgive... And it's quite interesting here, the Koran goes on to say, in the same verse in which it endorses the three part structure, it says, and those who forgive are higher in the sight of God.''