does anybody like witch craft?

lol finally some humor in here! but i don't think the world was so politically corect as it is today so it was ok for them to get the population going until people lost track of who was related to who exept for immediate family.

vedali

Fireflower, go educate yourself and type in Lileth into google...you should be able to find the story for yourself.

She came before Eve, wouldn't back down, she was banished, then Eve was created from the spare rib....

Forgetting that story, i mean why are you even arguing with me...i'm a man and you're a woman, SERVE ME!!!

well angel w/e..it says in the bible that if you are in between then you are AUTOMATICALLY with the devil..sry i dont wanna be rude..but you are either all the way with god..or your with satan..

The follow text is quoted from:
Hebrew Myths by Robert Graves and Raphael Patai (New York: Doubleday, 1964), pp 65-69.

Chapter 10: Adam's Helpmeets

(a) Having decided to give Adam a helpmeet lest he should be alone of his kind, God put him into a deep sleep, removed one of his ribs, formed it into a woman, and closed up the wound, Adam awoke and said: 'This being shall be named "Woman", because she has been taken out o f man. A man and a woman shall be one flesh.' The title he gave her was Eve, 'the Mother of All Living''. 1

(b) Some say that God created man and woman in His own image on the Sixth Day, giving them charge over the world; 2 but that Eve did not yet exist. Now, God had set Adam to name every beast, bird and other living thing. When they passed before him in pairs, male and female, Adam-being already like a twenty-year-old man-felt jealous of their loves, and though he tried coupling with each female in turn, found no satisfaction in the act. He therefore cried: 'Every creature but I has a proper matel', and prayed God would remedy this injustice. 3

(c) God then formed Lilith, the first woman, just as He had formed Adam, except that He used filth and sediment instead of pure dust. From Adam's union with this demoness, and with another like her named Naamah, Tubal Cain's sister, sprang Asmodeus and innumerable demons that still plague mankind. Many generations later, Lilith and Naamah came to Solomon's judgement seat, disguised as harlots of Jerusalem'. 4

(d) Adam and Lilith never found peace together; for when he wished to lie with her, she took offence at the recumbent posture he demanded. 'Why must I lie beneath you?' she asked. 'I also was made from dust, and am therefore your equal.' Because Adam tried to compel her obedience by force, Lilith, in a rage, uttered the magic name of God, rose into the air and left him.

well, that's nowhere in the bible. And the bible is THE ORIGINAL COPY. so someone must have had to have come up with that later

Gen. 2:20-25

" So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field. But for Adam no suitable helper was found. So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs and closed up teh place with flesh. Then the Lord God made a woman from teh rib he had taken out of the man and he brought her to the man and said,

"This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be caled 'woman'
for she was taken out of man."

For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

The man and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame."

this last sentence is the key. They were both naked, but felto no shame. So they wouldn't have taken offence to having sex or being naked until AFTER eve took the bite from the apple.

maybe instead of slinging mud at each other, we could agree to disagree, because obviously, we're not going to change each other's minds. hopefully you'll accept this and we could be friends with different beliefs. but sence i just posted something about my beliefs, you can post something else about yours just so you don't say that i had a "hit and run" but can we still be friends at least?

vedali

This debate has raged before. Lilith is mentioned plenty in the Talmud. The other half of the Jewish scriptures which the bible is not based on.

The Bible is not the original copy, the TORAH is.

Actually the ORIGINAL (meaning UNCENSORED) copy would be in the 7 miles of Vatican secret library,

And we will never see it.

see! SEE!!! we will never agree on this topic!! no one will until the world is over and judgment day arives. which some people do not believe in and i'm not trying to get them to. it's just like terri clark's song.. *sings to self*

so lets all sit back, relax. tear up the contracts and save the ink. I think the world needs a drink.

good song... good song...

vedali

Awwww come on... the debate is the whole point of theology. Get with the game, shirts and skins!

umm....c-can i be a shirt.. considering i'm a girl??

ok, i guess i do want to keep arguing... i-i just wanted to have an excuse to sing to myself!!*sob*

I just wanted to make sure i wasn't making any mortal enimies in here...*shifty eyes*

Don't ask me, I don't make the rules...

well then i think i'll be a shirt...

And we're all friends here, at least that's what I heard.

so sing away!

um... i only heard that song once and that was the part that stuck... *blush* but did you ever only hear the song a few times and sort of not know the words but u sing it neway?

cuz my friend kinda got mad at me 4 singing an afi song... she said that if i didn't know the words, i should just shut up..... for the record, i'm not talking to her and i'm quite happy about it.. the funny thing is that she didn't know why i was mad... ne whoo....

pfft.. I make up songs and stuff, never remember lyrics (takes a while for them to settle in), put my own words over tunes; all sorts. Wifey tells me off all the time, isn't going to stop me though!

As long as you're happy what does it matter?

i had a friend who was really nice. Seriously, we were like, bff. then she started doing witch craft. She asked me if i wanted to, and i said no. now, about a year later, she smokes weed, and has lots of unprotected sex. Her hair is greasy and she wears the same outfit for a week at a time.... sometimes i really miss my old friend the way she was before, and i remember all the things we did together...

Kevin: Sorry, I didn't bother to discuss your bit, because I have already said my piece on Lilith on a different discussion.

You think the TORAH is the original, I think the Bible is. This is where human perception falls. We will never agree.

This topic is useless, becasue we are getting our information from two different sources, that don't agree, and that's all it's ever going to boil down to. As of now, I am done in this topic.

~Ciao Lipton

BTW: Kevin, I'm a guy.

There's no argument, Lip. Judaism was around long before any form of Christianity.

Being that I'm of neither faith, sitting on the fence and learning from both religions (all religions in fact), I am not putting it across as an argument. Just saying it as it is.

as am i.... just saying it as it is with my beliefs