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so when I was reading some posts that came after mine, I couldnt help but giggle really, who was complaining? LMAO!

I didn't ask for a magazine about what MODS do behind the scenes, I did not join this website last night.

I was asking the MODS opinions as much as the MEMber's opinions toward the activity BEFORE and AFTER the updates.

If after rating the mods, you ALL saw the change you expected. Now hope this helps.

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I like coming here, and I am not a member of any club. Don't really have much time, but when I do it is nice to check out the poetry and join in on the main forum. People have left yes, but they did so long, long before the changes. I don't really want to open that can of worms again, don't see why we should.

Rock on, sweet girls y'all are doing just fine;)

As Britt said, all the mods now have access to everything. This came in great while my mother was in ICU. It allowed me to stay at the hospital and focus on her without worry of how much work would be waiting when I returned.

As everyone has said, Britt, Jane, and Sib, have done everything short of leading people by the hand to the discussion boards.

These three mods continue to post something new almost daily and yet members do not participate.

What more can we do?

I was only talking about the activity of MODS

AFTEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRR
the LIST was UPdated LOL
this is soooo funnyyy,

ok I will explain AGAIN, I already reworded my 1st post, but NO, not enough seems everyone is reading the way they want.

I am asking for OPINION, which means a thought ok? not complaiing and asking about the chores that the MODS do, am ASKING what do you ALL people think about the change between the activity NOW and BEFORE!

Oooo.... ok..... Sorry, Sunshine LOL.

Sunshine will spit hurricanes over u all now :[ -_-

Ya i know bob :) and thanks for your opinion,at least you got me :P

I don't know if this means anything, but I'm enjoying PnQ a lot lately. It feels more like a supportive, positive community. The poetry side is being emphasized, maybe that's why.

Maybe my life is peaceful today that's why I feel at peace with PnQ. I don't see how my being a mod has anything to do with it, but I'm glad my natural response is in line with my predetermined response.

Britt, it's ok to expect a lot from people as long as you're reasonable and putting yourself in their shoes. Some people simply aren't capable of your awesomeness.

I still enjoy this site , but as far as I can tell the most active mods make the sacrifice and the most active members take penalties

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuKRfcLxCrM

www.thomaspages.org/gilda.html

Hmm well it makes sense the most active members would be at greater risk. They post more and in sheer quantity the risk is heightened, but also members who participate more are more invested and emotionally involved therefore more likely to break rules of etiquette when upset. You have to care about whatever you are upset with and if you care... I'm going to repeat myself, woopsies.

Well said, Mike.

Well said Jane, I believe we are on the same page

In football there are penalties,
baseball has errors, but some batters don't mind stepping up to the plate

I think you will find there are a lot of active members will read these forums without actually posting. The reason for that is many and varied, i'm sure, some just like to visit and read, some especially the older members don't post for fear of attack for holding a specific view and don't want to be embroiled in some tit for tat.

I still enjoy the site and grateful for the friends I've made here.

We can't change most of the things I have a problem with and the things we can change, we work hard at. Yes I am happy and I think it is healthy to find satisfaction in the good times instead of incessantly nit-picking or worrying about things out of our control.

Bob,

there are many who stopped participating. Some left on their own account, but a lot also were suspended. I have seen the level of participation drop in a steady pace over the years since I joined. I talked to a lot of people in that time too. There were several reason those have left, left. One, they didn't think the poetry submitted( in general) was up to their standard. Two, they didn't like the way they got their heads bitten of on the main board. Three, they found they way in which people got suspended in such big numbers ridiculous.

I have seen the climate change on the boards, I like how these girls do their job and how suspending people has become rare these days.

Would someone explain the difference in a dicussion forum and a debate forum. and are we held to a higher standard than most medias?

The last two posts illustrates perfectly what I was alluding too. Ingrid stated clearly her opinion on why she feels some members left and how she feels the administrators are moderating this site now, there was no reference to you or anybody else, no abuse, no name calling. Just her opinion which we all agree she is entitled too.

Yet with loud rhetoric it has been turned into a personal attack, from which this discussion can only deteriorate further

I think more respect should be shown not only to the members but to the use of the English language, and these discussions would become somewhat more respectful

Im sure you are both capable of debating in a more dignified manner.

You have a habit of making things personal, which you have just done again. I never involved your child. In my open apology I explained my position which you accepted with good grace, are you now changing your position regarding that? Whatever...

No longer will I be dragged into a personal slanging match with you or anybody else on this site

My point is, if more respect was shown and things were not made personal there would more participation.

End of story...

I didn't realize I'd gotten under your skin so much Bob. That's a shame considering you don't even know me.

Some of us have different opinions on the difference between a discussion and an argument. I will admit to liking my apposition like I like my coffee ie creamed and stirred. The fact is I have talked to many who were planning to leave this site and very few blamed the administrators for their frustration. Many of them cared a lot about this site ,but with the suspended activity the cream was just clouds in their coffee. I have no animosity towards any of the people I debate with or at least less than is demonstrated by the opposing parties in my country. My point is that people who suspend the drama are only kicking a can down the road and most of them will eventually suspend their own accounts. I don't believe people stir things up because they do not like to blend , it is quite the contrary

We could make it clear that all suspension need not be a stigma because if you check the mod accounts you will find many that state This account has been suspended . That should not imply any perversion

I don't like when my words are twisted and bend.

I stated in my previous post that people have left and are still leaving.It has nothing to do with the changing of the mods, but with the site in general. For the things I mentioned already and also how it has so few features etc. You have to have some friends in here to be willing to come back time and time again, because other sites offer far more extras.

Not going there Bob, and very dissapointed in your reaction. sorry.

Nicko defended the integrity of the site... and Ingrid if we want to be specific. She is not in my club nor has she ever been. Some of these attacks are groundless to the point of hilarity.

If I didn't have to head to class, I would be editing comments. I'll be back later. Don't do anything that could get you in trouble.

Some of these attacks are groundless to the point of hilarity.

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I was thinking the exact same thing, Jane. A lady on here helped me tremendously a while back and told me not to allow anyone to take away my peace of mind. So I look at all these posts with a completely tranquil head and indeed it is hilarious.

I stand by my words, I like how things are now. the ones who made the changes are still here (partly), so I will let the strange twists and insinuations etc. slide right off my back.

I am going to have a nice warm bath now. I was up at 5.30 am already because I give walking sessions at the beach during summer, next to working at my practice. Does me the world of good, to be this dedicated to other peoples health.

Cheerio :0)

And I'm sorry I didn't want this thread to go this route, but when you continue to allow myself, amanda, and Illu be made scapegoats for the condition of the site now, I'm not going to stand by and accept that bullshit, because that's exactly what it is bullshit

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Bob, I will be the first to say that we worked TOGETHER and when it came to major decisions then we all voted and that was it.

You, Illu., and Amanda did not run this site. That is only three out of 7 mods at the time.

We all had a helping hand in it, and if you feel as though you three have been singled out... well, I am sorry.

Moderating this site takes a team not an individual and I hope EVERYONE on here realizes that.

There is a huge difference between a preditor and a spamner, do most agree?

Do we agree the goal of mods and members should be to minimize the need for"
"This account has been suspended."

Mods are human as you pointed out and the term spam has been used loosely at times

If we search the archieves I doubt we could find many threads that make any sense because of the accounts that have been deleted by members and mods

I agree and that is a good thing

When I was in the penalty box I suggested that if there is a rule against arguing the new members should know which rule it violates. Not because I could not bear the fact I could not log in for three days but from the fear that there is a stigma on the word penalty Penalties are given in contact sports and in baseball it is called an error lol

This thread is supposed to be about the current mods. Bringing back the old time drama never seems to get old. It seems like everyone is always at war with each other, but what is this war about, I dunno.

It's true not everyone is going to have the same opinions as each other but for goodness sake STOP provoking violent argument unnecessarily or pouncing on what they don't like and attempting to make it look bad.

BOT, I am glad to see some progress going on, a few mods are now in the mature frame of mind while playing with us. :D Nice. I said "a few mods" that's because I didn't have a chance to see others post.

As we all know the crux to some of the issues over the last few months relates to who's in the mod team, how the changes came about and how the site was administered before and after the changes.

We now have a mix of new and old mods. Not in age but as in time as mods.

Under the previous team, there was more intervention more suspensions, less understanding.

Under the new team well its the opposite

Now thats not taking anything away from the individuals, and im not saying they didn't work hard or do their best just that your polices were not as user friendly nor were they were administered as well as they could have been.

Like any new government you get a mix of new and old you just hope they do a better job

Some may prefer the old admin and the strategies they had in place, their choice.

They say that some of the worst politicians are the nicest people.

"I was asking the MODS opinions as much as the MEMber's opinions toward the activity BEFORE and AFTER the updates."

The updates? You mean all the WOTDs, Daily Sips, Life of a PnQ Poet, monthly site contests, updating the judges' panel regularly, adding comments to weekly winners, etc? Asking the members' opinions about different ways to improve the site, inviting members to vote for judging panels and even moderators, etc? Having a relaxed hand when doling out penalties, locked threads and suspensions? YES YES YES.

The new mod updates themselves are, of course, awesome and much needed. However, the activity levels have not risen any way near as much as the updates deserve. They have improved quite a bit compared to the barren desert of this forum two years ago, but not anywhere close to how it used to be around five years ago.

There are heaps of other ways that people connect with other people now.

I blame Facebook.

Donald and Bob can come on my page anytime they like , but for some reason we go into characters that resemble Grumpy Old Men, a 1993 American romantic comedy film starring Jack Lemmon, Walter Matthau, and Burgess Meredith when we log in here

Yes I think they do seem different, but I am not sure about the assumed confidentaility

Many U.S congressmen are on opposite sides in politics and close friends

Carville Bill Clinton's campain manager is married to Republican political pundit Mary Matalin, who had worked for President George H. W. Bush on his 1992 reelection campaign. Carville and Matalin were married in New Orleans in October 1993

Somehow I always imagined the Roman forums more civil than sports arenas

Yes, The tone of what is said is another way we communicate. Facial expressions have crossed my signals in real life . Many people read between the lines and hostile reactions can provoke responses that boarder on insanity in our alternate realities don't you agree

WTF`"What They Find" is what they want to find

An example is this... opinion of the former pope

"Yep it's not easy holding a thorough contest, and you are doing a great job........you're right, I should be ashamed, but I'm not...find John Paul and his family too...No matter how much good he did, it can't even compare to the hurt and pain he condoned. So yeah Find him and anyone who loved him.......Find me too, but that's how I feel"

There are many ways to express ourselves. My nephew was at a funeral and he noticed a preacher admiring his FTW tatoo. When the preacher asked him what it stood for he said
Forgive The World

Speaking of eye contact I find it impossible to make eye contact with someone who is not comfortable with it They say no aspie has all the symptoms of autism.

Sib hahahah
you are a person to hearted like that > ( <3 )

and thanks For Abby :)

and yaa I taaalk to most of the people I know here, outside P and q...BETTER and easier than the pm box :P ps more LIVELY :P

but not face to face though XD but that's obvious LOL.

(yet :P)