Mod talk continued...

Sorry, the thread was locked and I still have things to air out that were said about me.

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"In my opinion Joe is the one that started this thread and he at first states he wishes everyone well on the mod team then comes back with "his side"..."

^ First of all, I started the thread as nothing but a goodbye and best of luck to the rest; however, I'm not just going to sit around and watch my name thrown around like ball kids are playing with. I have to defend myself, as you would too I'm sure if people were saying stuff about you.

"Before others did activating, if we average 120 day like we usually do, that would be 3600 a month.

I did this for five months. Averaging, give or take who knows how much: 180,000.

Sorry, forty accounts means jack to me."

^ And numbers me jack to me! You can be all democratic and make yourself sound good with numbers, but guess what? I can to! I can go on and on about the countless hours (mostly 24-7) that I've put in to create write ups and code for this site. I can tell you this, it was a lot more hours and hard work than some stupid activations that you feel like you are all high and mighty about. Well guess what? You never once heard me complain about how I was the only one working on coding or about how many hours I spent doing it.

I know your arguement already..."yeah, but coding isn't going to be used..." Bullshit! I've already had things implemented on this site.

"...7 months of continuous excuses for why you have been gone and for why you will be gone? I care about that."

^ Sorry Jane, deaths/attending funerals are not excuses, if you think they are, then truly I have to agree with the others that you are "cold hearted" and don't care about other peoples lifes given that you don't even care if someone has passed away. Because if you did care about that, then you wouldn't say that I had "continuous excuses".

And that's all I have to say for now...

Joe, I understand the need to defend yourself, yes just as I would and have when people have said something about me. My point was directly that there was no need in posting the thread to begin with, why does there always have to be drama surrounding when a mod leaves? No, not just you in particular, others also.

I believe it would have been served better with the members for you to have not posted anything about it at all. Heck you had just posted the thing about Glenn Beck and people will see your name doesn't have the little red letters on it anymore (someone was sure to adress you about it) then you could address them personally. Just from a members perspective, I can understand that you are hurt and have feelings of distrust. But you have to admit that you know how the people on the site are, most everyone loves the juiciest piece of crap to sling with. Any opportunity for others to sling it they will, but be careful they will sling hard and only out for blood.

I don't know about all the other stuff, just responding to what I think about it. I am sure you were a fine mod. I have noticed that some of the people that are jumping to your defense are some of the same people that within the last six months also downed you for it when they brought up past mods absences. I think that is pretty contradictory. That is my thoughts about that, I just think it could have been handled differently.

I had multiple deaths as well. Joe, I in no way have trouble sympathizing with the pain of your losses, but you have been mostly gone for 7 months and recently popped in to say you'd be gone for another few weeks... with things endlessly popping up to keep you from mod duties, why cling onto the title? You're too busy.

I agree with Kay completely. These kind of discussions should not be made public, it is not good for the site and confusing on the members. What will be achieved at best? Everyone being angry at the remaining mods? It is a done deal now, Joe...why not let it rest?

"Heck you had just posted the thing about Glenn Beck and people will see your name doesn't have the little red letters on it anymore (someone was sure to adress you about it) then you could address them personally."

^ That's correct, I just did post that thread, but it is unprofessional to just sit and wait for a member to confront me or someone else about what is going on with the site (much like government). I started that thread to let the members know that I was no longer a moderator (in the sense that it was a for of resignation letter). It would be unfair for me to sit back and receive emails/PM's about matters concerning the site when I no longer have the power to "help" in a sense.

"I had multiple deaths as well..."

^ That you did and I, along with many others including the mods understood that and stood by your-side sort of speak. I even wrote a sympathy poem for you! So much for understanding when it came to my so called "excuses".

"What will be achieved at best? Everyone being angry at the remaining mods?"

^ Maybe I should keep my mouth shut and watch as the rest bloat in happiness since they got what they wanted? Sorry, not going to happen! I'm not just going to be silent just because a few members or mods might get "upset".

I could care less if you agree with me or not. I'm not going to be silenced just because of some feel the way they do.

I'm so sorry that I'm speaking up and causing a controversy, obviously if there is one (a controversy) then it is obviously worth discussing!

Joe, I don't think anyone really wanted you gone. My best guess is that they wanted you to be more committed, but you could not find a way to do that, and that is understandable, you are in your twenties and busy with making a future for yourself.

Sometimes you win, but you lose...if you "win" this, it will be at the expense of the few members we have left, so if that is what you want then go ahead, son. I am pretty sure that soon this site will be a ghost town if we proceed in this direction and you will have to find a new place to hang out.

Haha Ingrid, is that a threat that if I continue then magically there will be no members left on this site? You really crack me up.

In fact, I have an idea, since you are SO knowledgeable when it comes to how to run a site and moderate one, perhaps you should put your actions where your mouth is and step up and run the site. Or better yet, if you don't like that I am speaking out, then leave and find another site or start your own site.

This is a free country and this is a poetry site. There are no rules or regulations that state someone can't state their thoughts/opinions on a subject matter. If there "magically" is, then shame on me, and I'll vanish into thin air and disappear...but then again, that's what it seems like you want anyways.

Amanda, I am not saying Joe doesn't have a point, he may even be right ( hence my remark about winning) but point is, he made all members a party in this and I feel it should have been discussed behind closed doors. Many members lurk on here and leave without even stating why they left. How can they have confidence in a moderating team that hangs out their dirty laundry like this? You cannot have authority over a crowd like this.

I feel we are heading towards a complete shut down if we proceed in this direction:(

Shut down is what we need, just like the government needs it. Can't you see, it's plain and simple, or is that too simplistic for you?

Bye Joe, I am leaving this discussion.

Joe was at least one of the most honest mods we have ever had. Please if you have ever been a mod do not try to wear a shoe that does not fit. What I am saying is that mods and members alike go through denial. I am sitting in front of many meaningless awards. Would it not be judgemental of me to assume that any mod was stripped of their status like illuminate or even suspended their own account and we are left to wonder if they took something we said the wrong way?

I was trying to refrain from posting in here but I guess I will voice my opinion of the matter or rather how I feel about all this. I for one think that, Yes, Joe has been gone for while, but he has come on here and done some little things here and there which do add up and does anyone really know how much time it does to do coding? It's not that simple.

And I for one, don't see why Britt should have stepped down. I thought she was doing a great job and she was always on the main boards and was always willing to help out when needed. I still don't even know why she was demoted.

Now I would appreciate it if we leave my comment at that and not go about pulling me into ya'lls argument about all this. That is how I feel and I wish the rest of you moderators good luck now that you are missing, as I see it, two vital moderators.

I would not compare a modship with the presidency but on the internet ours has been tried and convicted of treason and I don't see why mods should hide behind closed doors the way bishops and popes are accused of coverups from protecting preditors to inactivity. We can say we are only as strong as our weakest link without judging all members by the demotions that the head mod does not even agree with is likely to be done by the most shallow members.

I have a question. Who is the head mod?

As far as I know Sherry is because I spent a little time in the penalty box with her trying to protect what is left of my reputation of being a compliant member.

Oh, I see and thank you. :]

Britt stepped down on her own. I do not know exactly why.

Hmm, I wonder why. :/ It makes no sense why she would.

It is not what we know that hurts us. It is what we think we know. Many times we forget that the only data we have about the nature of the person behind the screen name is provided by that entity. An April fools joke is not a lie. Nor was the multiple accounts of members on this site when it was legal . We cannot deny cyber emotion though many believe it is unreasonable

Drama is a comedy or tragedy hard to ban from all discussion

Although it was a joke the suspension of Janis Krumins status is in compliance with rule ten

It's hilarious that sharing info from the mods forums 7 months ago, making a public apology, and never repeating the mistake is being compared to a mod who stopped doing his job. Joe didn't "say" the wrong thing or make a mistake. He stopped doing the work. Period. Without any hint at becoming active again, we repeatedly told him we didn't want him on the squad if he didn't have time. He ultimately responded to that by demoting himself and pinning us as horrible people, which you guys are gobbling up. He didn't have time! It's a job. If you don't have time, you can't do it. Very simple really but some of you are making it dramatically complex.

It's lovely you want my head, Amanda, and Joe, you are being mean. Have fun with this thread, but please start your own poetry site. Why anyone would stay here if they don't like it is beyond me.

"...and Joe, you are being mean."

I'm being mean? haha oh please, is it to hard to handle the truth? You can dish it, but you can't take it? hrmm...

Bob,

Sad to say, but I have voiced concerns that certain people may be taking on way to much.... As you know it is a fine balance and one very hard to walk at times.

The present team is handling and will be able to handle everything juuust fine. I feel very confident about our group! All the new features we've added are totally manageable and it's ok if they haven't brought much more activity. It's nice that members are being given the opportunity to participate in a bigger variety of activities. I'm not as pessimistic as some and I think eventually PnQ will spread its wings and take off (again) in glorious splendor.... like a phoenix! Yeah!

"...I think eventually PnQ will spread its wings and take off (again) in glorious splendor.... like a phoenix! Yeah!"

...no comment!

Well Joe I'm sad also that you are no longer a mod. I've always had respect for the way you moderated, we have helped each other on occasion, and share similar views on some topics.

I feel some things aired here should have been done so within the mod forums, for if you're going to divulge what goes on within them why have them! It only fragments the team further, if you take a vote majority rules and you have a unified approach..

And Britt it seems you were one to advocate that Joe should leave then you chuck the sponge in yourself, I mean you ask somebody to leave who's been there for 4-5 years for not being active an showing enough commitment then 5 minutes later u leave as well, where the hells your commitment?

I also feel we all go through periods of inactivity, I had a period of 1 year away from here, we all do it at times. I don't feel that is grounds to remove somebody of Joes experience from the team, it's not like anybody is paid. I think a lot more thought should have gone into this!

Why bring my name up Bob? I have no intention of being a mod, not that I'd ever be asked, though if it meant you leaving again, I'd consider it ~ smiles~

"...and another one gone, and another one gone, another one bites the dust..."

I concur with Amanda. If you're going to hold the same "standards" for all the mods, then Jane, you should no longer be a moderator.

Jane, is very active, she actually helps out. There is no reason she should step down.

Wrong 'standard' Britt., I'm talking about the rules and regulations that are governed. If I am at fault for not being 'active' that's one 'standard' but Jane went way past that and broke a rule/regulation which went with out punishment.

Who broke the bigger 'standard'?

"Every mod makes a mistake. Red letters don't mean someone is a robot - I had done things "against the rules" when I first became a mod and was corrected and apologized as well, and that was let go."

There you go, you said it yourself...so if every mod makes mistakes, and they are 'let go' and forgot. Then why am I a different case?

Joe would u agree on a second chance ...? if it was offered /

Illum was demoted because he didn't even come on for months at a time. I came on and did stuff that I could through a difficult time and got shunned for doing such and was held guilty for a rule that doesn't even exist but was made apparently to start a case against me.

"Joe would u agree on a second chance ...? if it was offered /"

I shouldn't even need a 'second chance' I should still be in the position I've been in ever since I joined the site - a moderator, which Janis himself made me.

I didn't break any rules/regulations, but apparently I broke a non-existing rule - being active when having to deal with a difficult times such as a death.

I have to say that Joe has always been Janis' right hand man!

Well seeing that Janis is no longer around.....hmmm that says a whole bunch about Joe then doesn't it.

Well can I ask the Mod's voice about returning Joe back?

I said I want him back.... but it is a majority rules and the others have their say as well.

Well I just told someone, that these days he been active (insanely) i was a bit away and I came back and saw his posts all over the site..so I wonder if that's a guarantee that after his obstacles are gone, if he would be active behind the scenes now too..?

so I guess I will wait for the other mods to come and give their opinions

You know what I find interesting?

AJ has poked in and voiced his opinion in the other thread.

Sherry viewed her thoughts on both threads.

Jane popped in once or twice as well.

But what are Anna and Sibs views on this subject? They haven't said one thing concerning this issue. (if they have, I missed it and am sorry).

I WANT ANN MARIE BACK!!!! PLEASE!!!!