Jesus Went to Hell...

No, people, he really did.

For 3 days Jesus visited Hades, prior to his resurrection.

What do people think of this?

Why did he have to go?

What symbolism does it hold?

And why is that fact left out of most biblical teachings?

(As if there isnt enough stir about the "God" thing already...)

To be willing to pass into to hell for a heavenly cause? I'd do it.

I thought Hades was a Greek Gods thing not Monotheism though... best leave it at Hell, Kaitlin.

Hell and Hades are the same thing, its just the Greek version.

Same fire and brimstone.

For the sake of simplicity (and religious hang ups) I will rephrase my earlier post and correct myself... technically it is "Hell."

But why did Jesus have to go into Hell if he was already gauranteed Heaven, and what got him there in the first place? Does anyone know?

Thanks Bret

I don't know the answer for sure but my belief is that Jesus went to hell as another part of saving us from our sins. If He had not died on the cross, so many more people would be going to Hell than already are. I belive that Jesus went to Hell to symbolize that he was going there so that who ever believes in him will not have to go

But why would he have to convey that to us by going to Hell?? Isnt dying on the cross for us enough? And why doesnt he Church tell us more about it and show it as one of his many sacrifices that he has made for us, instead of pushing it to the side?

I think that the fact that Jesus visited Hell for 3 days is VERY important. Why arent we taught that in Sunday school?

Come on people, get philosophical and think for yourselves here...

Yes, also his last words were 'Why have you (thou) forsaken me?'

Perhaps it was a punishment as well.

When I said I'd go to hell for a heavenly cause I didn't mean just 3 days. For my family I'd take the one way express elevator and stay there.

A punishment for what? Jusus' punishment?

Apparently I need to brush up on my Greek mythology.

Ummm... ok then.

If you dont want to deal with the God shit except for on Sundays then skip these posts and dont comment, it says what they are about in the title. Its not like there is a shortage of other topics that require less brain cells to comment on.

And why does the assumption that God knows everything we say and before we say it, have to do with going to Hell?

lol

For being a "grown person" you sure arent making me look forward to growing up into stupid.

Thanks for your opinion, and you are more than entitled to yours, thank God that I am not locked in the same small box of intellect that I find you to be- just my opinion, of which I am justly entitled.

Screw you back, perhaps that will release some tension and you can come back happier, more like your name suggests, joyBOY.

Damn, I have no idea.

JPM? Wouldnt surprise me. lol.

Enlighten us, please:

wait, are you talking about the uh... antistatsis or something? The period when Jesus went to hell, "trampled" Satan, and grabbed a bunch of Old Testament people who went to hell because Jesus haddn't died for their sins yet, and then left? I think that is when he grabbed Adam and Eve, along with some other people, I don't remember the specifics.

I'm really not sure what I'm talking about.

I am not Christian and have never read the Bible, im just interested.

No one knows much about it, I find that odd, thats all.

I don't ever recall Jesus going to Hell... Perhaps you can point that out in the Bible for me.

By the way, Kaitlin, you ask, "Punishment for what?" Ha. That's funny. It starts off with, "Why did Christ have to die?" Well, He took all of the sins of God's children, upon Himself. Which means, He paid for Christians' sins, granting them into Heaven. Jesus suffered the punishment for the Christians' sin. If you don't understand, E-Mail me.

Anyway, if Christ did go to Hell, it would have been to show that He can conquer it. No man can get out of Hell. If He did go to Hell, and come back, it would only be more proof that He is the immortal Jesus Christ - unteathered by anything.

~Ciao Lipton

Yes.. um.. where does it state that? Just wondering

I didnt know in what context Bret meant what he said, when he said "punishment" or whom he was referring to.

I dont know where it says that he went to Hell for 3 days, but apparently he did. I am wondering why most people dont know that or if it is in an edited version of the Bible and why it isnt referred to very often.

I dont read the Bible so dont ask me lol. I just posted the question to get people thinking.

Also you say that Jesus died for the Christians and then you say Gods children.

Is there a difference between being Christian and being God's child? Because I thought all of us were children of God and Jesus died for all of our sins, not just one group.

No, God died for His children. Not everyone... Now come the fireworks. "Election, or Predetermination?"

Where did you hear about Jesus going to Hell, then?

~Ciao Lipton

Faith would be the only thing to keep imagination afloat, hence the subscription to dogmatic religion, however fear would be a large base for the belief as well, because if you cant walk on water you obviously drown.

I dont see how we "become" his child, we either are or we are not.

from what I understand of 1 Peter 3:18-3:20, jesus went down into Limbo. That is an interpretation of the passage supported by the Catholic and Greek Orthodox churches, but I don't think the Protestants uphold this interpretation. I believe the term for this event is Anastasis, or in any case that it how it was referenced in Byzantine art during the 12th century.

Interesting concepts from all. Truth is, however, that we'll only know if we make the journey up not down.

Then you can sit down with the man and ask him. I bet he likes tea.

3 days in hell. When you think about that it could be an eternity. Define three days with relativity. But regardless of what happened it must have had a profound effect.

((Oh, and I doubt JPM is the BOYTOY.. he has strong religious ethic and isn't prone to insulting in that manner.))

"I dont see how we "become" his child, we either are or we are not."

Right. I don't know why that's a question.

~Ciao Lipton

1 Peter 3:18-20 is based on interpretation. I have no knowledge of there ever being a "Limbo" mentioned in the Bible.

In 1 Peter 3:19, it speaks of God making proclamation to the spirits in the prison.

Now, in Luke 16:19-31, there is the story of the rich man and Lazarus, in which both the rich man, and Lazarus die, and the rich man goes to Hell, and Lazarus to Heaven. After that, the rich man begins to talk to those in Heaven, begging them for water, or to tell his brothers on earth that God is real. There is conversation between those in Heaven, and those in Hell. That may be what 1 Peter is talking about.

See, it's all interpretation.

~Ciao Lipton

You struck upon Gold, Mr. Lipton....

"It's all interpretation"

Commendable, really, especially considering that no un edited and un sensored versions of the Bible exist today for the masses.

And the reason that I said "become" God's child was because there was a reference to "becoming" Christian and therefor God's child. I can't find the exact quote now.

By the way JOYBOY is a downgraded version of JPM, waaaaAAAAYYY down graded. At least JPM had the intelligence to be a jerk and to defend himself against the other blood thirsty forum animals, whoever thought JBD was JPM insulted him greatly. Unless JPM is playing a trick on us all by introducing a more illusive, annoying, and not as smart alter ego.

Not necessarily... I have access to tons of copies of the Bible in the original Greek, and Hebrew. That's what the Bible was first written in (otherwise, we wouldn't have needed to copy it, and translate, etc.)

Also, copies of the Bible from past times, (ie, 1800s whenever) aren't that hard to find. I know pastors that have access to one, we may even have one in our house! I can assure you they look the same, save the font.

I was going to say something else on the matter, but I forgot... >_<

~Ciao Lipton

still not the original bible...

how do you know its all not been passed on and screwed the first gouples years of the bible were all talk from other people...

Not all of the Bible still exists today, some have been "lost" in History, and for instance lesser known parts of it, such as the Dead Sea scrolls have had some controversy over their existance.

Tons of historical documents have been either hidden from the world in the Vaticans secret library, hidden elsewhere in the world, or just plain destroyed in the past by the Church, and none of these instances are accidental.

Ancient knowledge has been destroyed all throughout human history in the name of religion, IE: ignorance.

Ignorance or protection?

It is ignorance to try to protect by destroying..

Bob, I think we need to plan a raid mate.

lol

God doesnt care about me. If he does why is life so fucked up

well honestly i am not a firm believer in god for the same reason but if you think he hates you why believe in him i dont think life is that bad you cant blame everything on god either

Katie.. God cares plenty. But God doesn't do quick fixes, he expects us all to work it out for ourselves.

That's the test.

Ignorance or protection?

Protection of their own dogmatic teachings. Ignorance. They are sheltering us from the truth, and when you control someones flow of information, you control their ability to make an educated decision and think for themselves without psychological and spiritual boundaries.

And God doesnt fix shit in anyones life. Your circumstances are your own because you have something to learn from them and becuase you created them, you get to clean up your mess.

And even the most complete form of the Bible is not the full one and it does not offer the same knowledge that has been burned and lost from other ancient civilizations or even pagan lifestyles and spiritual knowledge. I dont mean pagan like witch craft, I mean pagan on a much broader range, including indian, african, etc.

The church has destroyed history and stamped out cultures that werent theirs to destroy, but for humanity to cherich. Religion has done the same things white people have to the rest of the world, and most religions are headed by white supremsists and elitists, so what do you expect...