Delicious... but..!!

Wasn't trying to outwit anyone, so relax. I was joking. See why I annoyingly add lols to every post? Yikes.

I think generally people should be able to make their choice to either eat meat, be a vegetarian or vegan.

I used to be a vegetarian but then I started to eat chicken as I needed the protein. I think everyone is entitled to their opinion and one should not be judged for either eating meat or not eating meat.

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All i know is that God said eat whatever you want from beef, poultry and sea kingdom! I wouldn't say no to him lol

Sure, we have a choice to eat what pleases our taste buds, as I stated earlier.

A quote from Leo Tolstoy, "As long as there are slaughterhouses there will be battlefields. A vegetarian diet is the acid test of humanitarianism."

Are you aware of the fact that more than 100,000 cows are slaughtered every day in the United States for human consumption? It has been said that, "One visit to a slaughterhouse will make you a vegetarian for life."
From the beginning of recorded history vegetables have been the natural food of human beings. Early Greek and Hebrew myths all spoke of people originally eating fruit. Ancient Egyptian priests never ate meat. Many great Greek philosophers such as Plato, Diogenes, and Socrates all advocated vegetarianism. Buddha emphasized the importance of Ahimsa, the principle of not harming any living things, as the guiding principle, restating the Hinduism belief in sacredness of life, as the reason to adopt Vegetarianism. Many early Taoists, early Christians and Jews were vegetarians.

As I stated earlier, we do have a choice, and did not mention religion in it at all. Only what I consider as healthy living, by personal choice. However, in certain religions like Hinduism, Jainism and Buddhism, vegetarianism/veganism is the way of life, to minimize cruelty to life forms, particularly the animal kingdom, a practice of Ahimsa, which permeates these faiths.

Here are some interesting links as to the religious teachings on foods forbidden/not recommended, depending on how each religion interpreted the word of God. (by the way isn't God one? and his teachings essentially the same for all men and women! So, one can imagine how different religions and their preachers misinterpret the word, or should I say interpret the the word differently!) . No, I am not a religious person or preach vegetarianism/veganism, so please do not misunderstand me. The comment is directed to alternative healthy food choices, based on what I believe in, AHIMSA (not necessarily religion based). And to correct my error, I am a vegetarian, not a vegan. Here are some links for reading pleasure, not a religious argument, as I believe in all religions that teach good to the human kind.
http://library.thinkquest.org/C004833/religion_en.shtml
http://www.godsdirectcontact.org/eng/booklet/vegetarian.html

Hamburgers for ever

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A lonely soul, thanks for the info:D

i never knew vegetarians have a religious sect! Ill check the link when im nt on the phone. I understand you, and i think being a vegeterian makes a good healthy choice... But honestly, i dont think slaugtering animals is a cause of people battling!
I once read that it is related in a way to suppressing of sexual needs..

On the topic of slaughterhouses...I saw this video about how they slaughter cows and chickens...I was really scarred. On a psychological note though, our brains need animal fat. The myelin sheath, which is in our brains, helps the transferring of information through the axons. The thicker the myelin sheath, the faster information travels in our brains.

Appreciate your comments.

(Y..., I think you are a great Poetess, not only because you eat beef, but you have a certain way with words, which I cannot match :) But, beware of mad cow disease in the future if your beef gets contaminated with prions! It will take about 10 yrs on the average, once you have taken beef from the contaminated source on a consistent basis).

LP: Vegetarians are not a sect, but a way of life in certain religions/regions of the world. People who follow certain religions, as mentioned above, learn about Ahimsa as part of that belief, which in turn leads to them being vegetarian. Yes, in Buddhism, Jainism and hinduism the teaching and practice of vegetarianism, is from the shared belief in Ahimsa. Vegetarian beliefs are quoted, in various interpretations from the Bible....but are contested in other parts.
RE: "But honestly, i dont think slaugtering animals is a cause of people battling!
Ha ha! LP. I thought you would understand Leo Tolstoy better than I would. It is a metaphorical expression from him, not literal ! He is reflecting the need for restraint in our daily life (a part of Ahimsa).
Re:"I once read that it is related in a way to suppressing of sexual needs.."
I am sure that was not in a religious book or authentic peer referenced medical journal! If that was true, I guess 2 billion of us would be ascetics or will be repressed! You do read some weird stuff, eh!

Blissful: Looks like you have been intensively studying Biology. Are you Pre-Med? The info you mention is only partly true, but ingesting animal fat has nothing to do with forming myelin sheaths (nerve coverings). Myelin sheath are formed from the oligodendrocytes (supporting structural cells of the brain) in the brain cells, and by the schwann cells in the peripheral nerves. As you already know from your studies, myelin is an extension of the cell membrane (plasmalemma) of these cells which wraps around the tail of the nerve cell (from LP's poem :) and constitutes the bilipid-protein layer around the axon (analogy to the electric copper wire wrapped in plastic) and is formed from specialized intracellular synthesis of lipids and proteins, which in turn are derived from FFA, triglycerides, cholesterol and amino acids (basic building blocks of lipids and proteins) that are in the circulation. Ingested vegetable fats and proteins can provide all the needed lipids and proteins that we need. All ingested proteins, and most of the fats are broken down into 22 amino acids (20 essential), and FFA (except albumin, dietary cholesterol and triglycerides), circulated to target organ cells in this form (not beef or pork fat), then resynthesized by each cells to form specialized proteins and fats, depending on the cell type/needs, e.g. sphingolipids, gangliosides, in the brain cells.
So, if your info about the need to ingest animal fats or proteins was really true, then 2 billion vegetarians in this world like me, would be cretins (retards), or would not be living :) Unfortunately, many of us live longer and healthier and some are smarter than the beef eating people in the world (but I must admit, none of us are as smart as Y...., who eats beef for breakfast, lunch and dinner..ta da left\\ ta da right// ^). I think you are on the right track with your understanding, but need a few more years to get it all straight, if you are going in Medicine. So best of Luck.

(Y..., I think you are a great Poetess, not only because you eat beef, but you have a certain way with words, which I cannot match :) But, beware of mad cow disease in the future if your beef gets contaminated with prions! It will take about 10 yrs on the average, once you have taken beef from the contaminated source on a consistent basis).

I'm gonna die anyway, it might as well be mad cow..
hahah

I don't eat in places the staff look unhappy, ergo..I never eat in fast food places.

Watch "Supersize me" the excellent documentary by Morgan Spurlock. It's all about Macdonalds.

Oh that is so brilliant that documentary.

Did you watch the special features???

He has another documentary but I don't know what it is called.

Having grown up on a farm, I can tell you many things you will not enjoy...there is an old saying, "stop feeding the chickens, they can live off themselves for two weeks"...fits in with an old union saying, " before I'll take that wage, I'll peck s**t with the chickens".
One more...My sisters were not expected to chop the heads off a chicken, only to grab the head and sling it around until it stopped kicking...the boys, however, were expected to chop the head off....

Oh Robert so horrible!!!

I love animals, I do eat them but I am very much against cruelty to animals and think that there are more humane ways to do things

Oh it's heartbreaking

If we were meant to be vegetarian we would have two stomachs sit in a field and chew our cud all day long ha.....plus a pancreas that actually worked.

Cows have four stomach's right? lol

Or four compartments or something lol

Ok was not meant to do that sorry

Stupid pc lol

I always admired McDonalds in the way they are able to market quite poor-quality food and make it so desireable to eat. I always hear stories about what is and isnt in food, its very hard to know any sort of truth on the matter. I find it interesting to think that all around the world there are thousands of people eating Mcdonalds right now.

Like Sibs, I usually only frequent it in those wee hours of the morning after a night out.

Personally I think we humans are natual omnivores rather than herbivores, but what people eat is down to personal choice, vegetarian or otherwise.

I agree with you on that one

When you see what they eat in some countries....dogs, cats, snakes, crickets etc....the old Big Mac doesn't seem so bad to me LOL!

Lol ohhhhh I can't imagine eating any of those... too close to my heart lol

I'll sure call you, David, when I need help in my studies.
Thanks for bringing this part of the axon, myelin sheath and shcwann cells to my remembering! Lol, i always hated this lesson in particular, but this year we're gonna have it again.
And about the sexual suppressing, it was a philosophical theory only.. It wasn't proven because it may constitute 1/15 of the reasons of people batling , along with absence of maternal love/care.. Devastated childhood, etc... And that Leo Tolstoy, isn't this who wrote Anna Carnine? I don't respect him :/ that's why I'd rather take him literally...
Especially with that quote.

And... How did the human brain evolve?
Wasn't it because of the consumption of glucose (evolving of agriculture) and then that of aminoacids (hunting animals).. And I agree with Nicko, if we were meant to be vegetarians we wouldn't have trypsin, erypsin or pancreatic juice.

Abed, Liz and Nicko: I never said we were herbivore's. I simply commented on my choice of vegetarianism and its significance, which is not the same thing as being a herbivore (grass/leaf) eater. We are in fact adaptive omnivore's, which will include some features from both herbivore's and carnivore's. We only have a single simple stomach, but the heaviest pancreas (adj. to body wt.) in the animal kingdom which only supplies some of the many powerful juices (enzymes) to digest all kinds of food (plant & animal). Humans eat mainly cooked food, so they need more enzymes, while cows just eat raw grass, hence they need less enzymes and a larger 4 chamber stomach, as raw food is not easy to digest. No wonder we do not have the need to go potty as much as cows! Cows never get constipated...with so much roughage in their diet, but try yourself on a cooked meat diet only for a week, without the roughage and see what happens to your bowels! Nor do herbivore's get colon cancer or pancreatic cancer much, because of the roughage. Having a large pancreas and a sachet full of digestive armada (enzymes) maybe a gift to us to be able to digest a variety of cooked things, but comes at a greater cost. More cooked food = more starch digesting enzymes (too much sugar), more fat (feed the pigs with potatoes and see the results) more diseases (heart, diabetes, cancer) and a lesser lifespan. So the more herbivore you are, the longer you would live as there are less enzymes needed to digest starch to poison your system. The cow and sheep produce torrents of saliva with no starch digesting enzymes in it.
Try this link for further education: http://www.living-foods.com/articles/enzymes.html

LP: Leo Tolstoy was not alone in preaching vegetarianism. Plato, Diogenes, Socrates, Darwin, Gandhi, G.B. Shaw, Plato, pythagoras, Buddha and many all advocated vegetarianism.
How did the human brain evolve? Well let me know when you know the answer to that one. But humans do have the most complex, convoluted, intelligent and largest brain (per body surface area/size) in the animal kingdom.
Re: sexual suppression in vegetarians....utter nonsense. They may have better control (less animal urges, though, compared to their more carnivorous counterparts! But that is a good research topic. Maybe when Janis puts up the voting button we can ask that question confidentially to all of our members :)
Thanks for the counterthoughts and questions, always keeps my brain happy and alive, as long as some carnivores (cannibal instinctuals) do not eat it up, alive or serve them at McDonalds.

Ha meant to say appendix that actually worked.... though it has been credited with some other fuctions of late

Lonely Soul, I think your choices are extremely honorable, and as a huge animal lover, I want to say thank you for selflessly not succumbing to the meat-craze "just because it tastes good." Humans don't need to eat meat. Some of the healthiest people I know are vegans or vegetarians, including my sister. In today's world, it's quite easy to find substitutions for the protein that meat provides. Slaughterhouses are horrendous. Fast food chains, like McDonald's, the grandfather of all fast food chains, are the main supporters of slaughterhouses.
Back in the day when the majority of meat was hunted or cultivated by families or small villages, it was a means for subsistence, not a means for feeding our fat, lazy, greedy faces.
It's easy for meat-eaters to turn this into a joke... meat DOES taste good, and what better way to save yourself from feeling guilty for supporting animal cruelty than to turn it into a passive aggressive joke?
I'm a hypocrite, and I'll be the first to admit it. I eat meat because it tastes good, and because I don't want to go through the trouble of substituting other proteins in my diet. I'm selfish and lazy, these traits are clear because I EAT MEAT. I don't have to, especially as a middle class citizen in the U.S., and I am utterly aware of what my eating meat means for animals.
I guess I have the mentality that if all these other people are eating meat, what harm can one more person (me) eating meat do?
^ Anyone in the world who has brought about positive change would look at this ignorant question and shake their head. One person can make a difference... when we do good, we acknowledge our impact. When we do bad, we like to think it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.
So go on, continue making yourself feel better about eating mass-produced meat. Pretend you don't understand what it means. Go on eating at fast food chains.
I eat meat, but I eat it with a grain of guilt. It's human to have vices. It's sickening to have vices and not feel guilty about them. If you're going to eat meat, hunt the animals yourself, or more reasonably, look for meat that is wild-caught/free-range/organic/pasture-raised (my preference). Do our brothers and sisters in the Animal Kingdom a favor, will ya? They don't need to live in carton-sized crates in suffocating buildings in their own shit, blood, stress, and urine, subjected to filth and violence, and the smell of death. Chickens don't need their beaks cut off, they don't need their heads shoved in congealed blood while they're plucked alive, cows don't need to be hung upside down and bled to death...
When you buy from these huge companies, you are supporting these acts.

Finally, if you actually think the food at McDonald's is in any way healthy - next time you're there, ask to see their nutritional menu. Better yet, look around at the customers and tell me how attractive they are. HA.

If it's about saving money, try buying pasture-raised meat in bulk and store it in your freezer.
I found this link in under ten seconds:
http://eatwild.com/products/index.html

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On a "lighter" note... If humans were on the menu for some omnivore on another planet, we would be pissed to be killed for food because "we taste good," and not because we're a necessary ingredient in a healthy diet.

What do you guys think about stem cell based lab grown meat? It doesn't sound all that tasty, but will you give it a chance?

Lab grown meat?

Oh C'mon Jane........ they're growing meat in labs, too?

As if meat will be extinct!!!!

If God told me (I don't know about other religions, I'm talking about Moslims) that he has brought cows, poultry and fish to this world just for us, humans, to eat..... then, I'mma sure going to eat. I'mma sure going to slay animals. And that doesn't mean that I'm heartless. It doesn't mean that I'm a monster. I eat meat with pleasure. full pleasure. why should I feel guilty?

And, Jane.. """"If humans were on the menu for some omnivore on another planet, we would be pissed to be killed for food because "we taste good," and not because we're a necessary ingredient in a healthy diet."""""

^ IF, only if......
look at yourself. YOU ARE NOT.
You are God's most significant creation.

So leave these PETA shits for waste. And go ahead, enjoy eating meat with your bare-hands, like I do :)

I actually donate money to PETA every year, and I volunteer for the SPCA...

God didn't tell me nothin'! Haha, but I do believe if God exists, everything is his creation, and it goes without saying that if you respect God, you should respect his creations. Eating meat in an industrialized country is self-indulgence and for pleasure, it is not a means for survival. Gluttony. It really does not fit in with anything that God teaches. If you are going to apply God's word, do so in a way that fits with the circumstances and times that his word was supposedly given.
I don't think we are God's most significant creation. I think we are the most dominant and self-aggrandizing.
You can eat meat without supporting slaughterhouses. I do it regularly.

Yep, meat is being generated without harming animals, it has nothing to do with preventing extinction. Actually, we have too many meat-producing animals being bred in facilities.
1) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15402552
2) http://www.belsandia.com/factory-farming.html

"Food animals on factory farming facilities produce an enormous amount of waste. A dairy farm with 2,500 cows produces as much waste as a city of 411,000 people (60).

Food facts are that there are NO regulations for the treatment of animal waste from factory farming, which contains methane and nitrous oxide gases - both many times more toxic and warming than CO2. Liquid animal waste often spills over from holding lagoons into local soil and waterways.

Fish farming is called "aquafarming", and this squanders natural resources too - it can take 5 pounds of wild-caught fish to produce just 1 pound of farmed fish. Aquafarming operations pollute the environment with tons of fish feces, antibiotic-laden fish feed, and diseased fish carcasses (20)."

Ewwww

I personally think that there are more humane ways to kill an animal. I know that people eat meat for whatever reason and it is up to everyone but I still think the animals should be treated the way they are getting treated. We are much more smarter than that.

I don't eat red meat or seafood however I do eat chicken. When I was a vegetarian I used to buy the fake chicken lol I still do sometimes. I also buy the fake bacon - I call it Fakin Bacon! Lol smells like the real thing

I just think that we should be killing them in a way that is less painful and more humane.

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Liooooonesssssy :)...fake chicken :O ?? i never knew it existed...
lol

Lol yes they are available in my supermarket

They taste awesome!!! Lol

If I buy eggs etc. I always make sure it's free range!

If everyone does something small it can make a big difference :D

I used to work for an egg farm and let me tell you... free range is dangerous for those animals. We lost so many chickens because the other chickens fight to the death (seriously), and trample another, peck each other.. it's disgusting.

Plus, a lot of companies can easily sell free range eggs without it actually being free range. There was a company around here that did it that my old company quit doing business with. No real way to get caught as long as you have some free range chickens out there producing.

Well that sucks :(

There goes me trying to do good lol

Argh :|

Some of them may be free range lol. They're just a little more expensive. You'd be amazed at what the food industry does.

Oh phew lol It would be hard to tell the diffrence though to the liars and the genuine people

Better to try to buy free range eggs and actually get them 9/10 times than not try at all and keep supporting factory farming.

I know plenty of farmers... I've worked on farms. I know chickens and cows and pigs and other livestock as well as anyone (who has worked with them hands-on for several years). There are a lot of good people out there raising animals to be eaten or harvested. There are free range cattle by where I have kept my horses for over ten years. They roam and breed freely, receive veterinary care, etc., and live the good life until they are killed, humanely, for their meat.

Factory farms don't have medical care, and when animals are ready to be killed, there's no mercy... no pain killers, and usually the animals are bled out or chopped up while they're still alive AND CONSCIOUS. Animals are fed growth hormones that cause them to be deformed or unable to carry their own body weight. They drag themselves on the ground pathetically, or in a sad attempt to stand up, their bones snap underneath them :(
As for chickens pecking each other... better that than the typical beak cutting that goes on at slaughter houses. Do you know how many nerve endings are in a chicken's beak? They're chopped off with miniature guillotines with zero anesthesia, then the poor chickens are left to their suffering. It's barbaric.
Want to know what happens to baby pigs in these places? After they're born, their ears and tails are snipped off with a rusty blade, and their genitals are ripped out... while being held upside down by their feet. No pain killers. Nothing. Then they're thrown back in with mom, who is probably diseased, malnourished, and has never seen daylight.

I get my eggs from a friend who lives on a ranch 10 miles from me. She has a chicken coop with 5 chickens and they lay plenty of delicious, natural eggs... more than enough to go around. Chickens are easy keepers. They're good pets, and hey, they feed you breakfast for free!

Man that is so terrible! I've heard of a few of those things happening. I was first opened up by the video that Pamela Anderson posted about KFC etc and where they get their chickens from and how they treat their chickens. I was appauled and so saddened by the video.

I think that Pamela is awesome, she's a huge supporter of PETA and I think what she's trying to do is great. I think it is good that people know what is going on at least they can make an informed decision about what they want to eat etc, but still I don't think people should be judged for eating meat or not eating meat.

I don't think anyone has done that on here though it's just my opinion

I think it is wonderful what you have mentioned on here and what lonely soul has as well. It is good that people are aware!

Here is the video link if anyone wants to watch it but be warned that this video is very disturbing!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3QO1e-QRUQ

Woah.... JANE, I never thought that you would say this,,.
I'm curious though . Who/What is his most significant living creation? .. PIGS? RATS? Elephants?

I'm 110% sure that he made us on the top of the animal kingdom chain. That means we can eat almost everything below us. And I will clutch at the idea of we, being the most significant creation. Who has your brain Jane? Who can write like you do? Who can log in to PnQ like you do?
I mean it doesn't need a scientist to prove so...

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God, in his Quran, has a Sura (Quran consists of 114 Sura) named THE COW. And also, there is a Sura named Al-Anaam (meaning: blesses) that says one of the blessings the human being has is beef.
Note that the word 'cow' is mentioned 10 times in Quran, and the offspring of cow, its name is mentioned 10 times, in context that they were made for us to eat with pleasure.
Another Sura called HOUD says that when God sent his angels to Ibrahim(Abraham), the prophet, to let him know that he will give birth to his son Isaac and grandson Yaacoub(Jacob), Ibrahim ran instantly and came with the offspring of a cow to slay for them (knowing they told him we are angels, we don't eat).

Also, when God told Abraham to slay his older son, Ismail, he listened to him, and Ismail accepted that wholeheartedly... when he clutched the knife to his son's neck, the knife wasn't able to cut with an order from God. And instantly, God sent a cow from the skies, to slay, instead of Abraham's son. Abraham passed the test, and that's why till today, Moslims celebrate ADHA DAY as a commemoration of that event. And in each ADHA DAY, millions of cows and sheep are slayed.......

Also, in the Quran, God blessed us with eating poultry, beef, fish...... except pigs, donkeys, and fangs having animals eating other animals....

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And I don't find any relevant link between generating meat scientifically to eat, and why we shouldn't eat real meat! I mean...

You either eat MEAT. or Don't eat at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
See, if you need lab meat, then originally, you need real meat.

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And Liz, you reall??? :P

Why should I listen to some woman whose hot nudity is exposed publically on PlayBoy covers?

She may not have a good reputation in her personal life but I respect her for using her fame trying to do something good and bring a positive message

Doesn't mean I agree how she lives her life but sheis who she is

:P

Oh, haha that way I agree :p

Lol Thanks Abed ;)