Plagiarism

I would also encourage others to use Bloggers.com's feedback option (Contact Us, at the bottom of the page) to report the plagiarism. Maybe include a link to your own poem. I wrote to them as a moderator, but maybe if they got enough concern, they would take down his profile. Their terms of use seem to possibly be open to that.

I got a blogger ID but you have to "Establish A Reputation" before you can post on other blogs or leave comments. I did however send a message through the Contact Us, explaining what had happened and also that I had links to each of the poems if they were needed. If I get a response, will share it.

In the meantime folks, get an ID and send messages through the Contact Us at the bottom of the page.

"His access to the site has been crippled"

By this I meant the IPs he has used were banned. However, this is not a foolproof method and no method is foolproof.

EDIT: I HAVE JUST SENT MESSAGES TO HIS ADULT BROTHER AND SISTER TO HAVE A TALK WITH HIM. To both I sent a link to this thread.

Wow!! so his IP address has been banned for this site correct? well I do hope that he stops...

Update: I received a response to my message about plagiarism. It said:

Hello, Sibyllene,

"Thank you for contacting us.

Please let us know the URL of the blog/pages on Bloggers causing the
copyright plagiarism and the URL of the original author/poems.

We take this seriously and surely take action against it."

Please do not reply this email, this will go nowhere.
Use this link to respond if you need. please click here http://bloggers.com/contact

Thanks,
The Bloggers Team"

Possibly an automated message, but I did what they said and used the "contact us" link again. I copied that big list of poems (thanks for compiling that, dude!). Due to the character limit (and the fact that he stole so freaking many poems) it took 6 messages. I'll let you guys know if I hear anything else!

Lol sorry.. It was no threat, just an angry post

Oh my, Ive seen this guy online but I had no idea what he was doing...

It really angers me that people take others work and pass it as there own, or even not ask permission to use it...

The extent of what he has taken shocks me... thats a hell of a lot of poems...

I understand from reading this that he has been banned from using his IP address to access this site, not to say he wont use another one...
and hopefully google take action on him for the blog...

I didn't want to come back here...that's why I asked a mod to delete my previous posts. What is there to gain from this? This guy made a huge mistake ..we all know that but..has this now become a witchhunt?

Think about the humiliation...from the neighbours ..the friends..the finger pointing as a previous post suggested..this kid is 22 years old...yeah he made a mistake..big time but...this is getting close to internet bullying IMO...and I'm not going to be party to that!

I keep asking myself

what if...what if..this was enough to make him harm himself?

I don't wish harm on anyone... the actions that we are taking are to get the poems that he stole off of his blog or...to have his blog removed.

On the behalf of others, I'd just like to thank everyone whom contributing to getting this guy aware of the consequences. Lesson to be learned, and hopefully in the future, there will less people around like him. Thanks again.

Mouse.

I thought it was against the policy of this site to bring embarrassment or shame on any member, regardless of what they've done. I thought all matters like suspensions and penalties were dealt privately between the concerned members and the mods.

Plagiarism in this case is just such an inflated issue to me. I mean, I just feel sorry for him. I'm sure you can all get over it once he understands he has been caught- not by a pack of enraged pitch-forkers on a public forum, but through the official channels.

I thought t it was against the policy of this site to bring embarrassment or shame on any member, regardless of what they've done.

^^^

Feel like I should be singing Viva La Abbey but I have a sore throat so...can I sing it tomorrow?

I disagree Abby and Hellon, if you view his Blog he has gone to a lot and I mean a lot of trouble to post others poems and set himself up as some poet master.

Everybody views their poems differently, some take Plagiarism of their poems a lot more personally than others, a violation if you like, they maybe intensely personal poems

It doesn't worry me that he's banned...

Of course his ip address should be blocked and all, but I'm just not certain that this sort of public humiliation thread is necessary as well.

Lol abracadabra

a public humiliation thread?

he is a thief

and people like him need to get lessons in life just to learn from them.

I have to agree with Abed on this one.

I guess things would be treated differently if he had posted the poems on this site then I guess it would classify not to be brought in the public forums. Because he has posted our poems elsewhere and taken credit for it I say we can discuss it in any forum we like.

He may be 22, yes that is still young but he is still old enough and smart enough to know the difference between right and wrong. If you see his profiles on facebook, blogger and google etc. You'd know again he has gone to a lot of trouble to advertise that the poems are his, and I for one am sick of my poems being taken without my permission. I can understand where you guys are coming from but from my point of view, these poems were written with my emotions and my state of mind at the time I wrote them. Three of my poems have been taken and I am sure there are others who's had more taken as well. We have a right to fight for what is ours and I for one, won't stand to watch this thief take what is not his. He has so many followers that don't know the truth and I think they deserve to know what kind of f wit they are following.

Also - Dixie has posted that he is still posting new items from people here so for all I care he can go f himself. He's hurting a lot more people here than he realises.

Anyways just my opinion.

x

I think our 22 year old child (in an adult's body) prodigy needs some real "fathering". It seems he has had too much "mothering". He is still conveniently stealing stuff from PnQ members and posting on his blogsite, per the newest thread put up by Dixiedaisy. It is always fascinating to watch what some boys (my favorite expression hyper T's) can do. Ever heard "boys will be boys", and here is my version for some juvenile characters "give them a long (motherly) leash (when they are up to some destructive stuff) and they will watch you hanging with a (snide/supercilious) smile."

Do you have any "paddles" left in your shed, Larry, to give away? I guess not, you gave away all your surpluses at the GOOYCZ contest, or maybe never had any boys (the juvenile kind). Here is a link where you may find some paddles if out of them:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paddle_(spanking)

I guess Hellon and Abby, he did not steal your poems, so you do not have the same built up anger, as the others. Imagine, a new movie to be released (with all the hard labor and monies of the producers and financiers), and a week before it is out on the internet, by characters like these, do we think he needs "mothering" or a little "fathering"?

More , a little later, on a more serious note.

"I guess Hellon and Abby, he did not steal your poems, so you do not have the same built up anger, as the others."

This was just so laughable, I LMFAOed as they say. This was balanced by the nausea induced by your "mothering" and "fathering" analogies.

My writing has been plagiarised heaps of times. Doubtless, so has yours. Moreover, I'm sure you have committed many forms of plagiarism yourself in your time. Most have.

My own sister, without my knowledge, has copy-pasted many of the short stories, reviews and anecdotes I had written and saved on our family computer, straight onto a website called mouthshut.com- where she was one of the most popular authors. My classmates have used my essays and notes and assignments countless times to help further their grades. My scientific research, my show scripts, my journal articles, my programs and methods- they have all been plagiarised beyond my knowledge and this will keep happening everywhere. It is the nature of the world to simulate creativity by disguising plagiarism.

Yes, I do have a different reaction to many others and I understand the ego attached to a piece of art, but if my writing has been plagiarised, I certainly don't start an outcry in a public forum. Not if I give it some perspective. If I found my work unashamedly replicated without credit by someone else, I would have less respect for them and pity them for their brainlessness. I might confront them, I might report them to whoever can do something about it. If the thing being plagiarised was vital to my profession, I might take further action if it was worth it. Otherwise, I would not care too much at all.

I am no longer a research scientist so I don't mind my work being used without credit. Science belongs to the world, it IS the world in a way. And the internal things I externalise in art exist only because they insisted on being offerings to the world in the first place. They are no longer totally mine. Especially on the internet. To be abstract and wanky: they have sort of returned to where they came from.

With all due respect, there are millions of single mothers who have raised decent boys and girls. I am one of those moms who did it on my own for over 10 years. There are also children that have been raised by both parents who end up being irresponsible young adults. So the mother/father thing is probably not in question.

I do understand Hellon and Abby's frustrations as well as the need to get this guy and have justice served. I don't think it has a thing to do with that their poems weren't stolen. Lets look at it from this perspective...

Any other joeblow steals a poem of mine and only one and posts it to another blog, he wouldn't have this kind of attention because it is stated in the rules.

I just believe if we are going to expose one then we should do every single one who commits plagiarism and not just the one who is stupid enough to steal multiple poems. Murder is murder if you kill one or kill many. So stealing is stealing whether you steal one or many.

I also understand what Hellon and Abby meant by the taunting of this person. It really could be construed as bullying. Not that I am saying he shouldn't have reprecussions from doing so, just in my opinion with the name calling and threats on here and peoples face book pages trying to expose him are the exact things that are text book bullying. And that is just my opinion.

The thing with sealing something like poems off this site is that goofball or whoever he is far removed from the actual authors and therefore feels no personal connection to them, to him they are just pretty words devoid of any emotion. Were he to sell them for personal gain or to promote himself or further his career, then it becomes a little more offensive. If it's just to make himself look good to others then we should all feel sorry for him...

As to this thread I don't think he will even read it, If he does he may well laugh.. If he walked past me I may well stick a pitchfork up his arse ...ha

No doubt many many poems have been plagiarised over the years from this site and will continue to, after all our poems are here for all to see. If there are poems on here you don't want plagiarised then remove them..

To those that had poems stolen, you should maybe feel a little proud that he picked yours, I'm a little miffed he didn't pick any of mine..ha

(Edited and added to from original post)

I hate to get in the middle of any controversy, as I try to avoid it as much as possible by throwing in humor. But, I guess people took my words too seriously. So I will try to explain my viewpoint and concept of "fathering" when proper "mothering" fails.

This is with equal respects to all who feel that they should be protecting an outright thief. I am sorry, I have to disagree on multiple grounds and make my argument:

1) Bullying/Cyberbullying : def.
"Bullying is a form of aggressive behavior manifested by the use of force or coercion to affect others, particularly when the behavior is habitual and involves an imbalance of power."

"Cyberbullying is the use of the Internet and related technologies to harm other people, in a deliberate, repeated, and hostile manner."

^Does anything above match the definition of bullying/cyberbullying vs. fighting for the rights of the victims and their "right" cause? Please illuminate.

Has anyone heard of bullying a brazen "thief", unless you have a better definition for him. Bullying victims are generally innocent, not deviant or malicious. If at all, he is bullying you folks, by showing utter disregard for social norms and seems to be well versed with his methods.
So, please do not "mother" a bully. Does he really deserve people's sympathy? I think best to save it for the victims here, the "bullied" folks. Yes, I do have experience in both "mothering" and "fathering", in the literal and metaphorical sense as I have been in the shoes of people who think that we are ridiculing a child. But, this guy is no child, he is a flagrant 'bully", who is testing your limits of sympathy.

(And, I am going to ignore the taunt above.... "This was just so laughable, I LMFAOed as they say. This was balanced by the nausea induced....", as I do not wish to respond to personal insults.

2) Re:^ "My writing has been plagiarised heaps of times. Doubtless, so has yours. Moreover, I'm sure you have committed many forms of plagiarism yourself in your time. Most have."

Response: I am indeed sorry that people have plagiarized your writing, they have not yet mine, that I know. I have not written that much, nor are my writings distinguished enough to be stolen :). Further, I have never committed plagiarism, contrary to how sure you feel in your statement ^ (again, I am going to ignore this personal one too :). I am curious, when your poems have been stolen, have you thought about doing something to put a stop to it? something innovative, as proposed above...making him a poster child...... this was just a random thought and may be one very effective way to dissuade or put a stop to current and future plagiarists, by giving them due credit and notoreity for their deeds (like Kony 2012 campaign). And, no, it is not going to kill him or drive him to suicide. He is a brazen thief, adept at what he is doing. He is simply going to shave his head or grow a beard and find a new place to hide, but will shy away from the crowds. But, the next person who follows his example will definitely know that plagiarism is not tolerated in a free internet -age society, where controls are self-imposed. I am not on a witch hunt, but merely suggesting an innovative solution to deal with internet piracy. I am not going to comment on what your sister or your classmates did, except to say that none of that should be excusable, and people who do so do not get very far in life.

3) Re: "My scientific research, my show scripts, my journal articles, my programs and methods- they have all been plagiarised beyond my knowledge and this will keep happening everywhere."

^Here in the US, particularly in the past 5-7 years, true scientific plagiarism is never ever condoned,,,,,people who are caught are publicly ridiculed by their peers, lose their merit, title, recognition and grants, and are often ousted by the departments/University. So, truly speaking these instances of scientific plagiarism are much rarer now than in the past because of a drive to greater transparency and accountability.

In summary, I have no desire for stimulating individual or collective vendetta, but to seek justice for the people whose writings were stolen, and are still being stolen. Each well written poem is figuratively worth a million bucks to its author, I know I cherish what I write. So this "innocent" child in an adult's body has essentially committed a heist of 50 million $ or more of "intellectual" property, and we should let him get away with it? I would suggest if Larry and Sibyllene's and others simple efforts in getting attention from family and blogsite operators do not work, people should rise to defend their intellectual rights, and find a better solution to it. Giving up easily would be a sign of weakness and will encourage thousands like him with loose morals to follow in his footsteps. Such people, will commit bigger thievery in their lifetime as they grow up unchecked by family and society(unmothered or unfathered).

(I am happy to discuss, but personal attacks, however derogatory, I will ignore, though they may meet the definition of cyberbullying).

^^^^

BUT WAIT...THERE'S MORE !!!!

Think Lonely Soul is raiding Larry's shed??? There's nothing left there mate...I cleaned it out totally!

HA! HA! Hellon. No, I am asking Larry to restock it with some baseball bats and boxing gloves for the next round. Maybe you can run it as a co-host ....ummm. I thought of an apt title for the contest...."Most Plagiarized poems"...poets who can plagiarize the most in their writings, can be the winners. What do you think?

Well ...here are some of my thoughts from a thread started recently by Dead Soul...

http://www.poems-and-quotes.com/discussion/topic.html?topic_id=134824

Can I just say Loney Soul..you stopped the progress of this thread for 4 hours maybe? we all waited with baited breath to hear part two because you asked us to..ok maybe it was just me really but..you requested no one reply and..sadly we took direction from your request (how sad is that) ..for me..it will never happen againn Err..I just knew I should have gone shopping...tommorrow...I will!

I have had my peoms stolen...now I sleep with the knowledge...theres nothing I can do about it..I know there's mine.

I have had my peoms stolen...now I sleep with the knowledge...theres nothing I can do about it..I know there's mine

^^^

At first it hurts to have your poems stolen, I know. Then I think exactly as Hellon stated she does. I mean you can confront them but its an endless process. We take that risk when we put them online. This person though didn't steal one or two poems though, he stole a sh*t ton of them from alot of you. He needs to know this is sooo wrong, which I am sure he does by now.

In the end all we have to hold on to is the fact that we know we wrote them.

I think Nicko has a point.

If you don't want your poems plagiarized, don't share them here...

I was only annoyed by him because we welcomed him in the club, lol.. I even voted with a BIG YESSSS to him. darn him!

and inside also I was annoyed not because he plagiarized a poem of mine, but from a woman who commented on my poem on his blog saying: geez, beautiful! have you ever thought about publishing a poetry book?

lmao

-- I mean, people, don't you feel important when you get plagiarized? Let's all agree he has some taste, ha :P

Abby, when I was five, I stole my cousins radiant nymph that her father had brought her and kept it in my closet. She cried for a week, and I felt horrible... I wished I hadn't taken it, or ...rather stolen it, haha. She even wrote her a message begging it to come back lol and all and then my stepmother felt sorry about her and promised her to find it. My stepmom found the nymph doll in my closet and went mad...I was deprived of my pocket money for a month, everyone in the family knew about that and said that I'm bad, my grandma stopped talking to me for a while and in the first three days, I was 'caged' in my bedroom, alone. I did cry, and felt horrible about myself but I never ever did it again, and now if I see 8455345683658738$ in front of me that don't belong to me, I can easily walk away because I have been taught that stealing is forbidden. This guy needs to be 'fathered' a bit just as David said. I know we all should feel sorry about him, and maybe advise him, message him with something that might let him know that we know he has stolen our stuff but not in a hurtful way, then if he doesn't listen, we MUST stop him in any way. Stealing is something so sick, I cant imagine how people feel satisfied with themselves for stuff they didn't achieve by themselves. That guy stole from me two poems but Im ok with that, he can take them, for free. I forgive him. If I was to worry about my work I would not publish it on a public and free site, y'know, I would have selled it, believe me they'd pay so much XD. PnQ was my first and will be my only website where I'll write my thoughts, I dont want praise, I just want to write. I don't see the need to accuse David of stealing poetry, I know the guy, he is brilliant, and he writes and analyzes poetry so WELL. He doesn't need anyone or any idea from you, I mean by you, everyone who said so...Anyway, I'm not here to argue I'm sick of being the bad guy all the time, I just wanted to voice my opinion, since I am one of this communitys members and concerned with that matter. In my opinion, the guy must be warned, advised then punished if not listening. And LMFAO, I am 16, so you can say I am a child? I know right from wrong...I know so well that stealing is a crime, so...if I am 16, I can do anything and pretend to be innocent with reddish cheekkksss...yupppiiieee subbbiiieeee yayayaayay.... HELL no.

Mods, especially Larry and Sibs...Andrea and her lovely husband James, thanks for your efforts!

ALS, thank you for ignoring my taunts and insults so effectively. It seems we do not share each other's "humour" as you say, perhaps? In any case, a thing said in jest is a thing half confessed. Or, in my case, unashamedly confessed.

Let me prelude this by saying that my responses are from my personal views regarding the reactions to plagiarism and plagiarists on a holistic level, and not about the particulars surrounding this gooftastic character. I have no interest in him. In fact, it seems from the other threads that he has taken his non-property to a more twisted level altogether, perhaps using it to incite attention, etc etc. Therefore, I am not certainly not going propagate his offence by mentioning him in a public forum any further. So, much of your post did not concern me much and I'm sure much of the following won't concern you now either. But I have to rectify some things.

I am not condoning this sort of plagiarism, nor am I accusing anyone of this sort of outright, word-for-word plagiarism. But there are many different sorts of plagiarism. To quite some extent, it is simply unavoidable and you may be unwary of it. It permeates through all our thoughts and research and art.

In science, it is accepted that your research (including all your scribbles, books, graphs, images, presentations, methods etc) does not belong to you, it belongs to the institution. There are co-authors, lab partners, lab heads, grant givers, etc. Then there are conferences and meetings where you share your ideas, and rival labs with more money go ahead and publish first. It is simply the nature of things, and it is ridiculous to bring the law into it (unless you're talking about patents and the big bucks). Of course, if I see my professional articles being replicated by another, I would seek professional help. But plagiarism is not usually about replication of words, it is about disguise. And that is much harder to pin down. I have since developed an idealistic "all knowledge belongs to the world" sort of attitude, and if I don't make my bread and butter from it, I won't bother with anyone plagiarising my stuff to any serious or public level. Unless I'm bored or unhappy, I try to avoid spreading or partaking in unpleasantness when it isn't absolutely necessary.

So, what I was most concerned about in this thread was nailing someone to a post for public humiliation and giving this stranger real "lessons in life". Bullies can be victims, too. Luckily, this thread has been relatively civilised and hasn't turned ugly, but it had the potential to be. And the authors have every right to be angry. The method that the mods and Maple Tree etc have taken was the right action that would get the best results for everyone. But I do not support any sort of public humiliation, it is even against Rule #3 of this site's very forum.

"I am not going to comment on what your sister or your classmates did, except to say that none of that should be excusable, and people who do so do not get very far in life."
About the plagiarist: They usually get very far in life indeed, actually. Perhaps not in a moral sense (if they are plagiarising with intent), but they are usually intelligent, knowledgeable, high-achieving and agreeable people who are lazy, insecure, unlucky or lack a creative spark. They are also pretty depressed about this quality, or lack of quality, in themselves. When my sister was plagiarising my work, she was bored and restless and living in a state that depended on the attention and approval of her internet friends. It was a phase, and it has passed (Facebook).

If any of you would punish in the name of righteousness and lay the ax unto the evil tree, let him see to its roots; And verily he will find the roots of the good and the bad, the fruitful and the fruitless, all entwined together in the silent heart of the earth.

I didn't write the last paragraph. Gibran did.
At least, he said he did.

Abracadabra: I accept your scientific explanation of your criticism of my opinion. I am not unhappy nor hurt by any comments. Things are misinterpreted at times, and people differ in their opinions. But, no one should condone a flagrant plagiarist, but find ways to get him to pay for his deeds. Plagiarism in science (when the person does not credit you by a citation) is sometimes worse than in the arts, but once detected, is not excusable. After all it is the "Intellectual Property" of each owner, and each owner has every right for protection under the Law, and to go after the perpetrator. Nobody can deny him/her the right . Not a website, nor any of us, by our past wisdom.

Thank you for your explanation. (I did not say that I did not understand science :)

Is my explanation scientific because it is long? Hahaha. If I'd had more time, I would have written a shorter post.

I am also a victim of plagiarism; nobody plagiarizes me.

Wow this guy is worse than that girl from deviant art from a few years ago that stole all the contest winning poems and others and had them posted to her account!

Hey guys!!!

I notified that YouSayToo website about Gooftastic and gave them a lot of examples of the poems that he ripped off (I think this is the site he was making the money from)

This is the reply I received from them last night

"Hello Elizabeth,

Thank you for the links to the infringing and original content. It light of such widespread infringement we've decided to close the user's account. All content what the user published has been removed.

Best regards,
YouSayToo team"

Now all we need to do is wait for Google to do something. I filled out a form on google's website about the issue with my poems and I know the mods have issued one for the whole group and I believe that James and Andrea did. I did this on Monday and it's now Thursday. I haven't received a reply from them which is unusual considering they don't normally take this long. Did you guys hear anything back?

Anyways it's a start. At least the site where he's making the money from has cancelled his Account.

x

Larry I was just curious as to if you got a response from his adult brother and sister which you stated you sent a letter to?

Not even a "don't care"

They probably didn't check the message because it goes into another inbox since they might have privacy settings.