I have a question....comment.....thingy....

Lmao!! He doesn't mean talk about you, we definitely have better things to speak about than people on pnq. He means we have spoken on people praising comments ...

Oops, probably shouldn't have spoken for him again, but I bet he went back to work

Guys, guys.... chill. Out of all the things to be controversial about, this isn't one of them.

I had a thought: Maybe if you don't want other people praising comments on your poems, that's something that you could indicate on your profile, or perhaps even at the bottom of particular poems. That, combined with messaging members, might not field all comment-jumpers, but it might screen out a chunk of them.

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with people praising comments. Praisers aren't trying to steal anyone's thunder... I expect everything is done out of a sense of goodwill and a desire to give credit where credit is due. It's not a situation where mods are going to start warning or penalizing people for praising comments - we want comments praised! So I guess what I'm saying is: there might be things you can do to avoid the situation in question, but a degree of acceptance is needed as well.

Omg sibs thaaaaankyou for the voice of reason, i would never want to suggest people to be penalized for it and i never thought it was a point of stealing thunder im sure most if not all do it with the best intentions and i will apologise if my view point came across as that, i just dont like the idea of someone praising a personal comment within a day of the comment being posted, i will alter my profile to reflect this and i would like to thank everyone for there input on this topic it was greatly appreciated :-)

No problem, sir. It's a fair opinion to raise, and it's a good thing to talk about. Hopefully it raises the awareness of what some people think is an issue, and people can pick up some possible tips and tricks for how to avoid it.

Sibs :-)

Pleeeeease nooooo sirs lol you make me feel old other wise, ben, NM, Mousey is cool but noooo sirs lol xx

I hope it has given people food for thought and hey, we are all here for the same thing eh? Our appriciation for the written word :-))

Haha, I didn't intend it to be an "old man" sir. Just a "fine fellow, what a jaunty chap" sort of sir. : )

Lol in that case i bow to thee mistress sibs and forgive my archaic presumptions *giggles* :-)

Archaic presumptions lmaoooo stealing that for a poem title.

Thou art a thieving strumpet i shall thrash the within an inch!!

Damn dont get me on ye olde english lmao ill never stop hahahaha

Omggg I cannot speak nor wrote that way I'm so jealous :/

Bow to thee, I often say but that's because.....well I'm not really sure. Dang, you two are inspiring me to attempt old english which I've yet to do!

Do it!!!

EVERYONE should at least once, you can say stuff in a way you just cant in modern language!

I throw the gauntlet down to thee fair maiden!!!

I think this is the perfect thread for asking this question to all mods and members, that when they approve certain comments are they really doing what they seem to say that they are, approving praiseworthy comments?

Here is an example of a comment on my last poem "In the name of the Lord".

Specifically, I would love to hear from Jane, Sibyllene, Sherry and Melpomene. Maybe it is just me, but what I saw today was beyond my comprehension.

http://www.poems-and-quotes.com/life/comments.php?id=1208983

Here is the poem on which the comment was written, praised and approved within minutes of each other, all today:
http://www.poems-and-quotes.com/life/poems.php?id=1208983

I expect you all to support each other, and I would not be surprised on that. But, I would definitely appreciate your supporting arguments.

I found the comment honest. He didn't tell you 'wwoooowwww what a strong piece', he was honest.

And haha you made me laugh with the 'working together' bit. That's just silly.

The only reason LP made that pathetic critique of your poem was because it touched on Islam.

This is just another reason why Islam is the most dangerous religion in the world it seems if you're not Muslim you aren't allowed an opinion on it..well tough luck buddy....

LP to say that Maple Tree, Innocent Fairy and Average thoughts lied to ALS is bloody rude and unconscionable. What gives you that right???? Why do you place yourself above other poets on this site...and call into question what is good poetry and what is not, are you some sort of expert we should all bow down too..???

and the fact it was approved is also surprising

And to those who think i only come on here when there's controversy or to have a whinge, I normally only get involved in these sorts of discussions when I see the integrity of this site attacked from within

I agree Nicko...

To critique a poem is good. To bash a poem clearly because you did not like the message of the poem is wrong.

It was a very rude comment. To say I and others are lying, that our comments was wrong, it was a "poetic slap in the face" I feel David deserves an apology. I however don't need one. I enjoy all forms of poetry, I'm very eclectic in my tastes, and I know that I enjoyed the poem, and stand by my comment 100%.

I think people are totally free to say whether they think a poem is good or bad. If we're only going to allow complimentary comments, then they are as worthless as our rating system.

That said, I would not have approved the comment. It doesn't offer specific criticism or a breakdown of interpretation, or any concrete ideas for how to make it better.

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This is a valid (and interesting, I think) topic of discussion. Keep it about the facts, not about personal attacks, and we'll be cool.

Well, I agreed with the message and disliked the poem itself. So am I a jerk? No. I guess I said nicely and not in a rude way, I tried my best not to be descending or arrogant but it seems I was.

Ok, sorry if that's what you want. Ain't gonna read a poem by you again.
Remember in the old days when you did the same, Lonely? I shoulda known you're sensitive about people criticising you. I apologise.

Pooh.

I thnk it is the other way around, but now I will be considered like sticking up for Aboudie, whe infact I am not.

I do not think it was a rude comment, it's because you have in mind that it is attacking a certain religion, is why you think Abed was attacking the poem.

We get much more tougher criticisim like" boring line" "doesn't fit" "useless" cliche" unoriginal" u,,and comments that state that a certain piece sounds like a script rather than a poem.

But such comments did not require an apology, nor were considered as pathetic or rude. Why ? because the message in the poem was not up for discussion, as to whether it is offending or not.

I think David you considered his comment as an attack, because you;ve put in mind while writing the poem, that it is offending, and perhaps wrote it on purpose ? no body can ever assume

because if you truly believe that your poem is just a normal fine piece, and that it's not offending, then there is no reason for you to think that Abed was offended ;)

same goes for the rest, especially that the poem lacked panctuation and the lines were all broke, and not connected. but who cares

EDIT:

this was regarding what abed said about the poem, because I have seen endless comments as his.

for the part about Lying, saying you disagreed with what others said, would have been much better wla

I agree we should be free to say whether we like a poem or not. But that's not the issue here. It's obvious he didn't like the message and as Maple Tree said to bash it for that reason is wrong

But more importantly he called three Poets liars for the way they had critiqued it and that is just totally unacceptable

edit...Sunshine he called three Poets on this site LAIRS thats what this is mainly about.. do you think that is OK?? do you think its ok for him to say he's a better Poet than they are???? and they have no idea...??

Omg... the guy accused nobody and haven't ever said he is a better poet.
He just said he will say it straight and not kiss asses, the poem sucks. That's his opinion.

So you also think its ok to call poets on this site liars for the way they critque poems ?

He took three other poets opinions and threw them down the toilet...

No, I am not ok with that at all. I'm just agreeing that he is free to give his opinion about that piece poetically and content-wise.

I'll go re-read the other comments now.

Edited: Ok, so obviously, the previous comments never criticised the poem? They all agreed on the message and never on the poem itself, right?

That proves LP called nobody a liar and insulted no opinion but his whole intention was to say: 'I'm sorry I can't lie to you. Even though I disagree with the message, it's not why I disliked this poem. It wasn't any good.'

I guess that's it.

I think the comment in question was a bit dramatic.
LP blatantly did call people liars, but probably meant no harm. I did find the way that he said what he had to say was a bit ridiculous just as I would if I read an "OMG YOUR POEMS ARE SO GOOD!"

Defense aside, it wasn't a helpful comment by any means so I don't see why the praise was approved. I thought the system was there to commend people for giving useful critiques rather than comments useless to the construction of the work.

I didn't read the poem, so my opinion on the content of the poem is unbiased. I did read the comment by Abed, and I find it offensive without being constructive. I am willing to allow comments like this if all those touched by it are indifferent, but clearly people are offended by Abed's comment (no surprise why!). Therefore, it should be removed. Individuals were targeted (called liars), and the poem was ripped apart aggressively. There is no positive intent. People involved felt they were "slapped" in the face.

I am highly surprised that Larry approved the praise, and I am going to assume it was a mistake. If I'm wrong, I would like an explanation.

On a tangent, I find your comment to be hypocritical at best, Abed.

"For those who lied to you and said it's a good poem; it's totally not.

Even though I disagree with what you're saying up there, at least, put your words in a more creative poem, that has some emotions.

It went flaaaat, from the beginning till end.
It's like I'm reading a 4 years old child paragraph, random and with no format.

My 2 cents of criticism.
I am used to read from you better pieces."

^ Those aspects for which you condemn LP's poem can be applied to your comment. It could be more creative, it falls flat, it's like reading from a 4 year old, it's random, and I expect better from you.
I could (and should) give you better feedback and help you improve your commenting strategies, but for now I will leave it at that in order to drive the point home.
Plus, you already know how to give an intelligent critique, Abed. I've seen it.

I am not suggesting any penalties be given in cases like these, but comments should be removed or revised, and no praise given.

Two- I'm not sorry for the comment because I know exactly what I said. If you felt it's wrong, you should've deleted it, or simply overlook it.

Three- I wonder why you brought up this issue to here if you have a problem with my comment. Especially that you worship Google, and people like you don't take anything personally if it were criticizing.

Four- Nico, there is a BIG difference between LIARS.... and... LYING. So DON'T stuff your words into my mouth.

Five- Jordan, for a person like you who comments on holidays, I won't take your response into heart.

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And,

Six- Jane, read your comments before you comment on others' comments.

Abed -

Normally I am not this harsh, but I am concerned about the hullabaloo regarding this poem. To me it reads like a medley of many different, but altogether familiar, lyrics from popular songs, lines from well-known poets, or otherwise generic lines. I do not recognize much originality in this piece. I have become familiar with your style, enough to know that you do take inspiration from contemporary artists, but this particular poem seems to contain so much "non Abed" that I can hardly pick out the unique pieces of "Abed."
I love most of your poetry because you know how to balance familiarity with uniqueness. This poem, however, does not express your abilities...

Again, apologies in advance for the harshness. I mean well, I simply think you are capable of more.

^ This is an accuse of plagiarism. It was a senseless comment, too, if you think mine was senseless. You didn't even cite anything from the poem. My point is, see yourself, before seeing others.

Yes, it was a mistake. I was evaluating comments and specifically meant to decline. The comment did not offer constructive criticism, offer insight or provide an explanation of the poem. Unfortunately, I was on my cell phone and apparently hit the wrong tab.

David I apologize.

Abed, I stand by my comment and did not mean to directly attack you or any other commenter on the poem. If you thought I was accusing you of plagiarism, that's my mistake for not being more specific. I don't think you plagiarized; I think the writing in your poem feels recycled. Does that make more sense? I felt obligated to comment on the poem because I know your capacity for poetry is greater, and you can do better (I've read some awesome poetry by you).
The difference in our comments is the way we expressed ourselves. I could be wrong, but I think I did a nicer job. I don't see why you can't do the same.

I'm glad you used my comment as an example. We had similar feelings, but we expressed them differently.

I agree that my comment failed to give you suggestions, but my intention was to encourage you to dig deeper. That's all.

There were some people who actularly came to your defence, I bet they're pleased they did now....

And what's this big difference you"re talking about? I'm all ears Liars vrs lying....????

And I never stuffed them down your throat, you stuck them in there all on your lonesome buddy....

And 4, spell my name right or were you having another little dig at me... Of course you weren't you just hit the wrong key didn't ya lol

Ummm...
so I need a history lesson, and you need context grammar lessons! Cool. We'd trade our knowledge... but.. I'm afraid I'm studying Zoology right now, to understand human nature more. :S maybe later...

:D

The important point isn't what your comment said. As far as I'm concerned that doesn't matter. We can say what we want when we want. So many people on this site have been proving this time and time again. The point is that it was praised and approved when it has absolutely no constructive criticism.

As I was saying approving a "Your poem sucked" comment with no further information is just as bad as approving a "OMG SO GOOD LALALALA" comment with no reasoning or analysis behind it.

LP, I'm glad that you didn't take my comment to heart, if you did I'd be a bit worried about your temper considering I didn't say anything offensive. Lol

Yeah, it's so obvious that you didn't care about the comment. lol

and don't worry about my temper. it will always be cold like the weather that's freezing outside my window. with 'to heart'... I only meant I overlooked it cz it holds 0 meaning :D

I think we're experiencing a language barrier here. Either that or you're blatantly trying to belittle me without provocation. :/

In any case, sorry if I pissed you off.

I'm not belittling you :O

It's probably that barrier only.
And you didn't piss me off. There's no reason for that!

The thing is I don't need a gramma lesson from you, thats rich. You were bloody rude to three respected poets on here, the praised comment issue aside. Yet you have no intention of apologising to them, that is nothing short of plain arrogance as far as I'm concerned, and why others are tippy toeing around this issue and defending you has got me buggered...

It's not Zoology you should be studying but manners..

And that's me done with you and your cocky smart arse attitude..

Anger is not good for your health.

Have you ever heard of Mika's song, Relax- Take it Eaaaaasyyyyy :D

It's not about anger, which I'm not and never was this entire discussion, it's about respect..

Which is severely lacking in your case, but not unusual in somebody lacking maturity

There's no need to enter into a debate of who is lacking maturity in here, mate. I mean what are you, 50 yrs old? Instead of you, I'd be writing, praying, sipping my tea outside... without being involved in casting some frustrated insults to a young soul who is still respecting you (and will always will), because you're still not seeing the immature self of you well in the mirror, by still getting involved with me, uselessly :)

RESPECT.

I dont give a toss if you respect me or not

Its the three Poets you said were lying that demand your respect... not me

Abed: It is time to stop this. You are/were my friend, so I have to tell you this. Your comments here have gone beyond any reasonable line of respectability. You can insult my poem or its content, and I will not be perturbed. However, to go about insulting a bunch of people who are making you see things with a third party perspective, you may have crossed that fine line. People can only give you respect for your talent and poetry, which I and others have given you many times in comments and as a judge, but if you cross that fine line and step on everyone's toes to show the world that you are the only one who is right, you have missed something. You are conceited. Your arrogance has become taller than the Eiffel Tower. So please STOP. I will not respond to you in this thread.

I'm seeing the lines very well. I guess you are the one who isn't seeing them now.

Just because you got a criticizing comment does not mean you need to go wild and scream. Gosh. What happened to the freedom of speech you call for? I got such a comment from Jane. I didn't make a fuss over it.lol.
You make me laugh sometimes because of such an hypocrisy act. I know that I didn't cross my limits with you. But you are doing now by ordering me to all-caps stop.

Who are you to draw my lines? And how do you define lines?

I'm not stepping on your toes. It's obvious who's the one doing that! Not only toes, but buttons also.

Now let's just end this because I am truly bored.