The True Message of The Prophet

This is real civilization...I love how Muslims in London, reacted toward the movie, this is peaceful...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqCRaIDGWd8&feature=youtube_gdata_player&noredirect=1

I didn't watch it, yet...

but yes, many true Muslims dealt with that in a sophisticated way.

Here, in Saiida, where I lived, groups of Muslims wandered through malls and streets and starting having peaceful conversations with people, giving them brochures about how the Prophet used to behave.

Thats cool Abed. Here in Rio de Janeiro there is a street called Sahara downtown and Muslims and Jews work together there.They have stores and they sell food, jewels and so on Peace and respect prevail.Religious tolerance is the key word for a better world.

Watch it :) gave me goosebumps !

And really ? that's also peaceful and nice, and useful too. Are you in Saida ? I'm coming in Friday lol

My friends told me about that, and there are photos on saidacity.net

Hey Abed, I have a student from Lebanon.Her name is Djahida.Shes a brilliant girl. She told me her family will come back to Lebanon.

I live near to Christians here in this city. There were Jews also, with Muslims & Christians, but they migrated to Israel when the war started. That's great to hear that it's still like this in Brazil:)

Yes, we don't have problems like those here. We still respect people's religion in my country.

Jews ? you must live in Haret Saida ...or Te3mir el Hara ?

There were Jews even in Saida
's downtown.. not only in haret saida... I don't like there :p

^ lol at the Down Town.. I mean 'old saiida'

I thought someone implied the term 'modern muslim' does not exist? One who can move beyond ignorance and incitement, and recognize what is really the meaning of brotherhood, when the rest of the world wonders what is really wrong with muslims the world over?

Another similar protest video from Norway:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbrJXIGPoeo&feature=watch_response

This wonderful concept of peaceful protests is probably the influence of Western education & culture of tolerance towards every religion. A wonderful one to see....wish it was also the case in Libya, Egypt, Lebanon, Australia and 50 other countries where the riots left an indelible mark on why the Prophet's people still remain attached to the culture of the middle ages.

The teachings of Buddhism, Jainism (the most peaceful religions in the world in my opinion) embody the concept of tolerance in everything........even when the enemy attacks you. The philosophy of peaceful protests to win hearts was best represented by Gandhi, MLK, Mandela and like.
Even the Burmese/ Myanmar military dictators had to finally yield to a wonderful lady who understood this concept, Aung San Suu Kyi, a lady who was influenced by the philosophy of "non-violence" of Gandhi, while living in India with her mother who was the Burmese Ambassador to India. She is the daughter of the father of modern Burmah. She spent the last 15 of 21 years since she returned to Burmah in jail, but never gave up on democracy or peaceful protest. Here is her life story:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aung_San_Suu_Kyi

EDIT: And then we have this prominent Lebanese cleric, preaching Jihad from his reading of the Prophet's teaching's in response to the offensive film, with his middle ages wisdom:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CQwU_QhrHE&feature=g-all-u

I am so confused now, if this high ranking Imam is right, what did the Prophet really teach to make him and people like him so confident of their wisdom?

Maybe the cleric needs some British and Norwegian rosebearers present him a bouquet for his Holy preachings.

The true message of the prophet? Read the book and then come tell me the true message is all about flowers and peace.

Any religion that views apostasy as a crime deserves a swift kick in the balls.

Aahh ya, forgot to read the book, damn, thank you Kevin for sharing with us your valuable thoughts XD

Kevin...you look like someone has stolen the top half of your burka...where are you old chappy?...see all the lanterns in the background....Edinburgh's answer to Oktoberfest perhaps?

Hellon, I was at the Edinburgh International Fringe festival, which happens to be be centered around an area about 40 seconds from my flat. Lucky me eh?

Ms Sunshine. We can debate the finer points of Islam if you like, but please don't try to even hint that the Quran/Hadith have anything positive or life affirming to say about apostasy. People weren't killed for drawing cartoons of Jesus and there isn't a single line in either text that allow for the kind of freedom of speech we should all be aiming for.

You are backing a losing horse.

Errr Kevin, take it easy, this thread is about "modern/reformed muslims" not the oxymoron braying his horn (about his beliefs) using antequated teachings from the ancient text, in the video mentioned at the end of my last post above.

We are all friend's here, and have to appreciate each other's culture/religions/traditions positives, else we will be braying our horns too, in this nice thread. Maybe reserve that for another thread. haHa

I think we will all agree that there are many good things in the Holy text, and maybe some that can be ignored by a "modern muslim", unless we want to join the provocative "hornblowing" too like the "braying Imam" and his like's (Iranian President and the Ayatollahs) and many others who have taken control over educated people's free thinking minds using a threat of antequated religious teachings.

Nothing in the Quraan can be ignored David, sorry to disappoint you, every single letter in it is Holly for every Muslim. Just like the bible, for others! But I won't tell you again, about your sources of the book and it's interpretations, and not in need of repeating things like how some people have no idea, about the things they are talking "about" so enjoy.

Something you are suffering to understand, I have no idea why you just can't accept it. The original copy is in Arabic! There are many English copies of the book, but not all of them are precise, not all of them are correct, and seldom will you find a very precise copy with real interpretations.. If you give me you address, I will send you a very precise English copy, and I will bet you on finding one mistake, or one word that urges to kill others who are different or whatever that bullshit that's being said lol

It's all up to you, I won't mind sending it, unless you think I will send a bomb along with it. That's something else :P

anyway

Keep to forgiveness (O Muhammad), and enjoin kindness, and turn away from the ignorant." (Al-Qur'an 7:199)

I shall turn away too. Thanks again for sharing your thoughts, good to see how everyone else thinks!

I did not start this to talk about the Quraan, and debate if it's peaceful or invaluable. I was sharing the link that showed high levels of civilization in these people, who are not even Arabs, to start with, so I was not implying anything about us, or the book. PEace XD

Anyhow, think about my offer, David. :]

Let me know what are your thoughts on, Dr. Garry Miller's story! though I expect, but sharing won't harm anyone:

I doubt you will read all of this, it will surely show in your reply, but other than this story, if we're going to say it's a one story and proves nothing, this is another, wider, more general link, not coming form one person:

http://www.bigissueground.com/atheistground/asadi-koranscience.shtml

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A very important Christian missionary converted to Islam and became a major herald for Islam, he was a very active missionary and was very knowledgeable about the Bible...

This man likes mathematics so much, that's why he likes logic. One day, he decided to read the Quran to try to find any mistakes that he might take advantage of while inviting Muslims to convert to Christianity.... He expected the Koran to be an old book written 14 centuries ago, a book that talks about the desert and so on...He was amazed from what he found. He discovered that this Book had what no other book in the world has.... He expected to find some stories about the hard time that the Prophet Mohammad (Peace Be Upon Him) had, like the death of his wife Khadijah (may Allah be pleased with her) or the death of his sons and daughters...however, he did not find anything like that... and what made him even more confused is that he found a full "sura"(chapter) in the Koran named "Mary" that contains a lot of respect to Mary(peace be upon her) which is not the case even in the books written by Christians nor in their bibles. He did not find a Sura named after "Fatimah"(the prophet's daughter) nor "Aishah"(the Prophet's wife), may Allah(God) be pleased with both of them. He also found that the name of Jesus(Peace Be Upon Him) was mentioned in the Koran 25 times while the name of "Mohammed"(Peace Be Upon Him) was mentioned only 4 times, so he became more confused. He started reading the Koran more thoroughly hoping to find a mistake but he was shocked when he read a great verse which is verse number 82 in Surat Al-Nisa'a(Women) that says:

"Do they not consider the Koran (with care)? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy".

Dr Miller says about this verse: " One of the well known scientific principles is the principle of finding mistakes or looking for mistakes in a theory until it's proved to be right (Falsification Test)...what's amazing is that the Holy Quran asks Muslims and non-muslims to try to find mistakes in this book and it tells them that they will never find any". He also says about this verse: no writer in the world has the courage to write a book and say that it's empty of mistakes, but the Quran, on the contrary, tells you that it has no mistakes and asks you to try to find one and you won't find any.

Another verse that Dr Miller reflected on for a long time is the verse number 30 in Surat "Al-Anbiya'a"(The Prophets): " Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of Creation), before We clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?

He says: "this verse is exactly the subject of the scientific research that won the Noble prize in 1973 and was about the theory of the "Great Explosion". According to this theory, the universe was the result of a great explosion that lead to the formation of the universe with its skies and planets.

Dr Miller says: "now we come to what's amazing about the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) and what's pretended about the devils helping him, God says: "No evil ones have brought down this (Revelation), it would neither suit them nor would they be able (to produce it). Indeed they have been removed far from even (a chance of) hearing it"(26:210-212). "When thou does read the Quran, seek Allah's protection from Satan the Rejected One"(16:98).

You see? can this be the devil's way to write a book? how can he write a book then tells you to ask God for protection from this devil before reading that book? those are miraculous verses in this miraculous book! and has a logical answer to those who pretend that it's from the devil". And among the stories that amazed Dr Miller is the story of the Prophet(PBUH) with Abu-Lahab... Dr Miller says: "this man(Abu Lahab) used to hate Islam so much that he would go after the Prophet wherever he goes to humiliate him. If he saw the prophet talking to strangers, he used to wait till he finishes and then ask them: what did Mohammed tell you? If he said it's white then it's in reality black and if he said it's night then it's day. He meant to falsify all what the prophet says and to make people suspicious about it. And 10 years before the death of Abu Lahab, a sura was inspired to the prophet, named "Al-Masad". This sura tells that Abu Lahab will go to hell, in other words, it says that Abu Lahab will not convert to Islam. During 10 years, Abu Lahab could have said: "Mohammed is saying that I will not become a Muslim and that I will go to the hell fire, but I'm telling you now that I want to convert to Islam and become a Muslim. What do you think about Mohammed now? Is he saying the truth or no? Does his inspiration come from God?". But Abu Lahab did not do that at all although he was disobeying the prophet in all matters, but not in this one. In other words, it was as if the prophet(PBUH) was giving Abu Lahab a chance to prove him wrong! But he did not do that during 10 whole years! he did not convert to Islam and did not even pretend to be a Muslim!! Throughout 10 years, he had the chance to destroy Islam in 1 minute! But this did not happen because those are not the words of Mohammed (PBUH) but the words of God Who knows what's hidden and knows that Abu Lahab will not become a Muslim.

How can the prophet (PBUH) know that Abu Lahab will prove what is said in that Sura if this was not inspiration from Allah? How can he be sure throughout 10 whole years that what he has (the Quran) is true if he did not know that it's inspiration from Allah?? For a person to take such a risky challenge, this has only one meaning: that this is inspiration from God.

Dr Miller says about a verse that amazed him: one of the miracles in the Quran is challenging the future with things that humans cannot predict and to which the "Falsification Test" applies, this test consists of looking for mistakes until the thing that is being tested is proved to be right. For example, let's see what the Quran said about the relation between Muslims and Jews. Quran says that Jews are the major enemies for Muslims and this is true until now as the main enemy for Muslims are the Jews.

Dr Miller continues: this is considered a great challenge since the Jews have the chance to ruin Islam simply by treating Muslims in a friendly way for few years and then say: here we are treating you as friends and the Quran says that we are your enemies, the Quran must be wrong then! But this did not happen during 1400 years!! and it will never happen because those are the words of The One who knows the unseen (God) and not the words of humans.

Dr Miller continues: can you see how the verse that talks about the enmity between Muslims and Jews constitutes a challenge to the human mind? "Strongest among men in enmity to the Believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the Believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant. And when they listen to the revelation received by the Messenger, thou wilt see their eyes overflowing with tears, for they recognize the truth: they pray: "Our Lord! We believe; write us down among the witnesses"(5: 82-84)

This verse applies to Dr Miller as he was a Christian but when he knew the truth, he believed and converted to Islam and became a herald. May Allah support him.

Dr Miller says about the unique style of the Quran that he finds wonderful: no doubt there is something unique and amazing in Quran that is not present anywhere else, as the Quran gives you a specific information and tells you that you did not know this before. For example: "This is part of the tidings of the things unseen, which We reveal unto thee (O Prophet!) by inspiration: thou was not with them when they cast lots with arrows, as to which of them should be charged with the care of Maryam: nor was thou with them when they disputed (the point)"(3: 44).

"Such are some of the stories of the Unseen, which We have revealed unto thee: before this, neither thou nor thy People knew them. So persevere patiently: for the End is for those who are righteous"(11: 49). "Such is one of the stories of what happened unseen, which We reveal by inspiration unto thee: nor was thou (present) with them when they concerted their plans together in the process of weaving their plots"(12: 102)

Dr Miller continues: "no other holy book uses this style, all the other books consist of information that tells you where this information came from. For example, when the (distorted) holy bible talks about the stories of the ancient nations, it tells you that a this king lived in a this place and a that leader fought in that battle, and that a certain person had a number of kids and their names are.... But this book (distorted Bible) always tells you that if you want to know more, you can read a certain book since that information came from that book".

Dr Garry Miller continues: "this is in contrary to the Quran which gives you the information and tells you that it's new!! And what's amazing is that the people of Mecca at that time -time of inspiration of those verses- used to hear those verses and the challenge that the information in those verses was new and was not known by Mohammed (PBUH) nor by his people at that time, and despite that, they never said: we know this and it is not new, and they did not say: we know where Mohammed came from with those verses. This never happened, but what happened is that nobody dared to say that he was lying to them because those was really new information, not coming from the human mind but from Allah who knows the unseen in the past, the present and the future".

I was sharing the link that showed high levels of civilization in these people, who are not even Arabs

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some of it was subtitled so what language were they speaking?

I have read about Dr. Miller's story, thanks for sharing it here, Nana ;)

Check the other link abed, more valuable. Scientifically credible.

Can I ask once more...what is the language they are speaking in the video clip???

Wait till Im on a pc, ill check it again. However i dont remember seeing arabs talking in the Vid. I'll check when I`m home

In all cases the point I was trying to make isn't about this, i shared this because I loved the civilization reflected by the citizens.

edit:

Hellon, are you referring to the woman speaking at 1:21 ?
I have no idea...not Arabic though..

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At 2:07 I guess she is somewhere from the Arabian Gulf, sounds for me like from Kuwait, not sure, but she's speaking Arabic.

You should check out Dr Zakir Naik videos, very intellectual and his accurate content =]

Here is a interesting video; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S_A9ERJWN0

I have to say it was nice to watch and it is a shame that these people are in the minority of muslims that i see in and around london, i would like to see them more often because as a general rule you only ever see fanatics....who i have to say i hate.

Ms. Sunshine:
I have not criticized your religion or your beliefs in this thread or any thread, yet you wish to admonish me? On the contrary, I had words of appreciation for the people in the video who I consider as modern, educated Muslims. But, if you wish to challenge me to a debate I will not turn my back, which would be unlike me. However, I will put rules in place first :

1) You or I will not address each other with disrespect, though we may disagree many times, unlike previous threads in which these boundaries of decency were breached. I respect people whose arguments are backed by substance, evidence and good reasoning. I have difficulty with people who repeatedly counter arguments with personal derogatory language and without a good rationale or detract from the topic.
2) We will address what is in the Qu'ran and the history associated with its preaching's and its influence on worldwide events (current and past) since time immemorial.
3) If you lose this debate you will agree to change your religion to mine (mine is called rationale believer - I believe in all scriptures that have substance in it). I must advise you that Religion, Politics, Literature & Philosophy were never my forte, and so you may have a good chance to win, but also warn you at the same time, that I have a pretty decent reasoning capacity, so it will be difficult to catch me on the wrong foot. :)

No one else would interfere, though they can help/advise you by pm.

If this is all agreeable, then only we can proceed. Otherwise, let us leave this in the cold freezer and move forward, as PnQ friends, as I see no issue with the "modern Muslims", whose video you shared with us.

And yes, I have updated myself on Dr. Gary Miller.
http://www.discoveringislam.org/dr_gary_miller.htm

No, I don't need your copy of the Qu'ran, mailed to me, as the Prophet did not write it, only recited it to his followers and instructed them to memorize and record it, word by word, as spoken to him by the archangel, Jibril (Gabriel) as the word of God, in his dream. There are 3 original versions of Qu'ran that still exist in the world today, located in Tashkent, Uzbekistan museum, another in a museum in England and the last one in the Topkopi Museum in Istanbul, Turkey and they all have been translated. So, it is not hard to find citations from them. None of the originals exist in the Middle East, to my knowledge. Again, you can always debate whether or not the citations are true, but there is little reason for anyone to fabricate verses written originally in Arabic. Yes, their meaning can be interpreted differently and even changed by translation, and that is what we expect to debate. I will ask you qns on each verse that I see quoted, and expect you to agree, disagree or dispute the word of the verse, and its influence on what is happening in the world today. And rest assured, I have no intention of insulting any religious scripture or religion, as I have respect for all teachings that have meaning to it, and very little for the one's which are inflammatory or derogatory to others belief/religions. Let me know whether you wish to debate the teachings of your scripture with me, and I will write out my qns on the citations and ask you whether you agree, disagree or whether you think they were fabricated by infidels and non-believers.

Dearest, David...did I disrespect you? Admonish you ? who ? me ?! Not at all, if my responses for the points that I have seen invalid did not ring your bell, that doesn't mean that I am admonishing you, whenever I reply on a point you have stated, you think I am attacking you, you should not be taking anything personal as far as I am not talking about you, but the statements you've made.

I have never stated irrational points regarding the topic David, not even detracted you from it.
And to start with putting rules such as, changing religion, is quite senseless. Because what is a rationale believer ? and what is a Muslim Believer ? Quoting " I believe in all scriptures that have substance in it"

Islam believes in all religions, they all came from one God, and it does not deny people who come from another religions either. Now you mentioned before about marriages, but I told you how it is in different religions as well, these details are more like personal ones within each individual and they deal with them the way they find suitable, as Connie is married to a Muslim guy, tho she is Christian ? not sure. And that has nothing to do with him being a citizen outside Lebanon. What I'm trying to tell you, I don't need to debate about the way this book influenced the world, the way you view it, and the way others might.

Especially that you believe in this " but there is little reason for anyone to fabricate verses written originally in Arabic." I'm sorry, you're really wrong again...
Also, no original copies in the middle east ?, if only you know :P !! Anyway, I can't change what you are convinced in, so it's not a big deal, regarding this.

You keep implying that it's the western society that helps those individuals break their chains, it's really underestimating the various different cultures, I am trying to tell you that you are not really correct..David, this religion does embrace other people who are different, it doesn't deny them, it does not chain its followers and their freedom. Whether some cultures are tight and hard on individuals that's a story that doesn't relate to this religion, in any way.

David, I read this book on regular basis, and let me tell you how it influenced me, rather than telling me how you think it is influencing the world, because this would be more credible since I am alive and talking out of my personal experience, and personal life, despite of its importance on the scientific level, this book, like other Holly books highly fed my intellect levels. It taught me that I am not any different, the teachings of my scripture taught me to be humble, to be patient, to live with limits yet to live happily, and when I say limits, I mean to respect others boundaries and their privacy. Not to judge, not to gossip, not to harm those who don't share me my beliefs, and not to treat them differently for being different. Why would I debate about something that in the 1st place is a bond of ethics and guidelines that shows you how to draw a peaceful path for your life, the same way it is for any religion, despite what you want to name it. Islam, Christianity, whatever.

This book taught me that there are consequences for everything, that there is someone guiding my steps and watching me, that what I do on this day, will have its effect tomorrow, if you harm, that's what you will eventually receive. But it also taught me to stand up for the truth, not to be silenced by fear, to stand up for humans rights, and not to accept injustice. My teachings tell me that every human soul is valuable, and no body has the right eo end but the one who gave it its life, no body shall decide the destiny of another individual, my teachings tell me that nothing lasts forever but our deeds.

That the world is a big place that won't last forever, and that people are deceived by looks rather than intentions and good principles, and hence to be aware how to live my own life. Why would I give a look at how someone says how harmful this book is, when it is in my own hands, reading it by my own eyes, own language and acting upon it.

I have had a good Jewish Friend "spoken silence" Casey, a member over here, if what others are saying is true, how come as an Islam follower, I never had troubles with her ? but were really close? How come I respect and accept my christian friends over here ? how come I have no problems with those who don't believe in the 1st place. this book is not "modernized" it is the same book written on the days of the prophet "peace be upon him", I am learning how to live my life, from this book that was not written in the modern days, although I live today, and I live in the middle east, but happily interacting on hour basis, not daily basis, with everyone over here and those who come to my own country, yet who come from a different culture , and seldom believe in what I believe in. It's because it taught me to live with everyone as my ownself.

I think, every Muslim member over here, reflects a little bit of their own back ground, and none showed aggressiveness toward the others, religiously, just for not being Muslims or not being from that part of the world. It's the same for my grandparents who were not educated, David :) and who never left the village till the day they passed away. Their knowledge was the Holly book, that was their 1st source for reading and writing, that book which they learned from, to be able to read other books and gain "knowledge" .

Yes there are modern Muslims, but that's not about Muslims, the whole world became modern, are Americans living the same way they lived hundreds of years ago before civilization ?? nope. It's the same. So please, just accept me as a live example, a Muslim member who is telling you that the modern world did not make me who I am today with the way I treat others. School did not teach me how to accept individuals from different colors, that's not what I was taught in history books, but the contrary infact, not what we learn when reading Chemistry and Physics. No, who I am today, is what my book and teachings of my scripture made out of me.

A human being, following certain ethics, that makes me appreciate this life of mine as much as I appreciate others. Someone who aught to be full of justice and love, and I try to be, but I am not an angel, I might lose temper, I might get angry, swear..but at the end of the day, it made out of me a forgiving person, loving one and no bet kind hearted, and it shows in the way I treat everyone, even those who I barely know. Whether others embrace this book or not, it won't change the fact of who I am. I cannot be pretending to be the way I am, all this time, if someone has something different to say about me, I would not mind.

This is my book, and this is me, and this how I have always been with all the different yet close, same, people around me, who come from different cultures but still have the same good heart and live conscious. I don't have a problem with you, always knew your insights about religion from other debates before, that I never wanted to be a part of, yet, we enjoyed pms and talking to each other privately without anyone having a problem with the other ?...so If this lengthy post, does not reply to your points, and doesn't make sense for you, nothing else will. This will be the last thing I ever say about religion on these forums. Remember, we are who we want to be, no body forces you to be someone else or to follow something deep inside, not even to believe in it, within you and yourself. Yes the world is full of injustice and harm, but hey, that's the world, not each single individual living in these different parts. Islam is what you can find in this book, that did not change through the years passing by, people change, people interpret, people act the way they are, but that doesn't change the words I've been reading. so...PEace and Love <3 :P :]

Nana, seriously, you should run up for our 2013 elections... though I still can't vote... but I'll bribe my parents to vote for you ;)

Loved that speech!!!!

Haha <3 sweet... I could be suitable for presidency :P but if this isn't true...do tell me if I'm wrong, we almost come from the same part, if chemistry and biology and English literature taught you to accept others, please let me know, for me, it definitely was my culture and my Islamic teachings.

Nope, you cannot run for presidency. Our laws say only Christian Maronite citizens can. It may be fair for equality between religions, but definitely not for abilities. Let's make a revolution, Nana. Oh who am I kidding...

LMAO please don't bring that debate up :P I just talked about ability, not "may I" :P anyhow..bobom.

Lol, I know.. I just want to spark it all over again XD (jk)

Hahaha made me laugh.

I'm bored :/

Ms Sunshine, I'll read your massive posts when you show me evidence, taken from the Quran or Hadith that apostastes are not to be harmed. Please show me some quotes, from whatever translation you care to find that promote peace for those who leave Islam and decide they wish to speak against it. Until you do I have no interest in reading more about Islam.

You are obviously an example of a wonderful young women who has taken all the best bits from your faith, and that is great but don't pretend the horible sections aren't there.

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Seriously if you havent read the post dude how will you know if she's given you examples/evidence or not?

Just sayin.

Okay Kevin, why not, you have to read this one though, and be true to yourself, read it all, I accepted and just given you not just one evidence, but several instead, so that it would be more real for you. But before I quote for you, why would I pretend that bad sections aren't there? I dont care about what's "there" I only care about what's "in the book" lol I am , I speak because I know, not because I was told. I was not urging anyone to read about Islam :P , I was only replying to the points made by our fellow.

Whether people like or dislike the religion, have problems with it, or are with peace with it, is their own personal thing. I don't interfere in peoples beliefs.

I know many people who are not followers of Islam, although born in an Islamic family, my cousin got married to a Christian. No body killed her, her relation is still as good with the rest of the family. No this is not an evidence for you, just saying she's alive. O.o

I don't care about Hadiths that are scattered over the internet, Kevin, just to tell you, any Hadith that contradicts with the Quraan, is invalid, and should be rejected, dear. So let's go for The book itself, though I promised not to talk religion, again.

To start with, if you read the book from cover to cover, you would not find one verse that talks about Muslims punishing those who leave Islam, whether they believe or not, is a matter between that person and God, no earthly punishments have been mentioned ever. I bet you on showing me one verse that asks people to punish apostates ;)

well :

This is from Al Baqarah verse:

"There is no compulsion in religion, truly, the right way has become clearly distinct from error, therefore, whoever disbelieves in the Devil and believes in God, he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handle, which shall not break off, and God is hearing and knowing.."2.50

NO compulsion in religion...N O..C O M P U L S I O N..

let us define compulsion:

1)an irresistible persistent impulse to perform an act
2) yes, No compulsion in religion, any religion :)

Reading that, it would be very fallacious and unreasonable to say, that in Islam people are harmed for apostasy...O.o Being harmed or killed for doing something is "compulsion" and this verse says, there is no compulsion in religion. could it get any clearer.

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okay, more for you:

Another verse: 0.29 Al Kahf:

to prophet Mohammad, and say: "the truth is from your Lord, so let him who please believe, and let him who please disbelieve "

God's words, in no way, did He command the prophet to harm those who disbelieve, it was left for people, whether to believe or not. He did not give authority to anyone, to harm, kill, or execute non believers. O.o
if you read online Hadith about harming people in this life, that's bullshit, and if it is applied by others somewhere around the world, this is not what the Islamic Holly book, states, I have just shown you what we believe to be, God's words.

more ? okay..

Different verses for you:

1)Sorat Al Nahel-1.25

"Call to the way of your God with wisdom and goodly exhortation, and have deputations with them in the best manner"

IN THE BEST MANNER. :P

2)Sorat Al Nisaa verse 137:

"Surely as for those who believe, then disbelieve, again believe and again disbelieve, then increase in their disbelieve God will not forgive them nor guide them for the right path"

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well, if an apostasy is to be harmed, how would they believe, then disbelieve, then believe...or be hesitant about their beliefs in God ??they would be already dead ;)

Here are two verses that insists, that the Prophet, the apostle of religion is only to deliver the message, and not to take action regarding those who disbelieve:

3)Sorat Al- Maeida :

" Nothing is incumbent on Apostle but to deliver the message..."

4) Sorat Al-Shoraa verse 48

"But if they turn aside, We have not sent you as a watcher over them, on you is only to deliver "the message" and surely when we make man taste mercy from Us, he rejoices thereat"

WELL these four verses, although I made points regarding them, each with its own underneath it, but the 4 of them, serve this message:

It would be irrational not to admit that these verses assure that the book states how God asked the Prophet to only deliver the messages he is supposed to deliver, it shows that God will ONLY withdraw His guidance after repeated rejections, the holly book does not state any authority for any Muslim to take someones life for disbelieving ? and not leaving their life, as a chance to believe again or disbelieve, at all ! God states through these words, that it's his part to take account, no one else.

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The verses here, are from the Quraan (the book) I gave you the names of the verses and the numbers so that you check yourself if you think I'm lying or something, the book also mentions that apostates are to be given chances, hence to be forgiven if they amend. Well Kevin, how could someone amend if apostates are to be harmed...or killed ? By force ??well did not the verse up there state that the is NO COMPULSION in religion ?? O.o

Nothing mentioned in the Book, gives the authority for anyone to take actions regarding disbelievers, only He would curse or forgive, and that's how it is in all the different books
"bible" talking about Heaven/hell... but that's after life, no ? SO...yap, if people are being punished for being pointed as an apostate, that's definitely not what Islam asks people to do :)

Who soever calling themselves Muslims and comping up with whatever they call as laws, threatening an apostate with harm or death are only fooling themselves into believing that they actually brought faith back to the heart of apostates. Or will be rewarded for killing an apostate. The verse in AL Baqaraa that states that there is no compulsion in religion is crystal clear, Islam does not harm or sentence people to death for being apostates.

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also this must be the last I say about religion, I only broke my word because you asked for evidence, and those who have it, should not hide it. the book is in my hands, I rely on it. I dont expect others to change their thoughts about Islam, I only quoted the book because you asked for a verse from a copy I consider real. Since I got you what you want, I hope no body tries to get me into this debate again, I dont want to prove for anyone whether Islam is peaceful or harmful. It is what it is, I am who I am, you are who you are...say what you want, I will not stop you.

SHHAAA BAAAM!

Lmao, whaaat! is that like my bobooom ? :P

Lol yup just like your bobooom!!

But with shaaa baaam!! Your gotta make jazz hands.....so what about those chicken wings nana lol ;-)