I will not be silenced

Am I the only one

Am I the only one that thinks this statement is reprehensible? what sort of person would write this? where is the humanity ?

If a dying child was lying in front of you bleeding to death who amongst you could let this child die.. No matter it's religion or creed, wouldn't you hear humanity crying out within pleading for this child no matter who it was born too.Who amongst you would laugh at this child as it lay dying bleeding to death. While you waited in glee for the child to die.. ?? Any of you..

Well this was written in a thread last night. Some will say I'm only trying to stir up trouble. Well I won't apologise for that. I can not and will not sit back and ignore this type of vile hatred being expressed, be it on a poetry site be it anywhere. There is no place for this comment in the world today. It sickens me to the core and if this is to be swept under the carpet in the guise of freedom of speech then you have lost me...removing it like it never happened doesn't cut the mustard as far as I'm concerned

This is one of the reasons we have so much hatred and ignorance in the world and the very reason innocent woman and children are being killed..the following is the comment that was made yesterday and ignored my many as I'd it never happened... It's since been removed? at somebodies request? maybe the poster? I do not know...

Do you have any sympathy for the innocent men women and children in Israel killed by these attacks, I bet not.

^ I am so sorry. I have ZERO sympathy. :D
Yeah. I may be savage.
Yeah. I may be heartless.
But... I am proud to laugh at the sight of a crying Zionist. And it would be funnier if that Zionist was bleeding till death. Actually. I DON'T CARE.

I ask, who among you care???
If this is deleted then so am I..

Nicko...I have been overseas this last week or so....I can't find anything that you are referring to here so...can you provide a link for me?

I think I know what this is about, but I must've missed the thread.

All I'm gonna say is no. I actually wouldn't laugh or have zero sympathy for any person who is dying regardless of their background or their actions. If you look deep enough, we humans are all the same, and every last one of us has at least a tiny shred of humanity that deserves respect.

I suppose there are some exceptions, although I think that the Buddhist in me can still search long and hard enough to feel for even the coldest monster.

The prison we live in, is of our own doing. The good are us and so are the savages.

Any normal human being would sympathize with another human on his/her deathbed, regardless of religion, age or gender. But there are individuals, so well colored in violence they are emotionally and physically incapable of sympathizing. Innocent children, men and women have been burnt, tortured, amputated, stoned to death, electrocuted, shot, hanged, etc. Be it in the name of religion or politics. Many political leaders are responsible for substantial amount of violence. Bombing their own citizens.

Some human beings consumed by fear, choose to look the other way, for a number of reasons. Primarily to protect their loved one. Some have seen enough and they have been neutralized to the blood shed.

But yes, a normal human, living a day to day life, will surely sympathize.

While we have not been personally acquainted. It would not seem right on my part to tell you, to not act out of impulsive sentiments of guilt, or perhaps anger. All events occupy their place in time. Just as the good days dont prevail, even the bad ones will not prevail. The dusk is followed by a dawn and vice verse.

Do not assume that if something was removed there were no consequences.

Do not assume that spreading hatred and espousing violence will not have consequences.

I've been invited to talk about this exact issue to undergrads (the conflict and recent events in Gaza). I was to say a word after a much respected colleguage of mine. He's a nationalist and nasserist till the bone and, needless to say, the total opposite of me. He believes Zionists are terrorists (much as the west believes palestines are) and hence they deserve death for all their crimes. He believes that Arabs should unite and you probably all know the rest. Now, that's an opinion I understand like some of you, whether they agree with it or not, understand the western take on palestines being terrorists and deserve what's happening to them - regardless the fact that it isn't legal, human or even logical to punish a whole city for the acts of a few - no matter what these few have done. Still we've both lived with these opinions our whole lives long.

I've also came across a picture that stated that "if 9/11 deserves a moment of silence then what's happening in Gaza deserves from us to never speak again" but still if any of you doesn't, or fails, to see the other as a human too then nothing anyone says here or elsewhere will change anything.

Perhaps my loyalties are misplaced - but I don't see any land, no matter how holy, worth human blood or lives. That's not an invitation to turn the other cheek or become a coward, no it's more of an invitation to learn to live together instead of building our lives and existence on the death or elimination of the other. We were here to build after all not to destruct. I know every Arab on here probably wants to give me a piece of their minds now but, as final arguement, when our prophet (pbuh) escaped from Mecca to medina those who welcomed him and his followers into their houses, homes and land were not Muslims. They did not see threat in him, accuse him that he's comming over to take over - although he came with a new religion different than theirs, news ways and whatnot. No, they shared food, jobs and everything. Where are we from these people?

I understand more than anyone that it's not about hatred, it's more about pain (from both sides) and anger. I believe wars end eventually - still this needs to stop sooner than later and if any of you cares about what happens to Gaza and it's people you need to be pro-peace and co-existence because I don't see how our pride (in having all the land or none) is worth all the blood spilled. I believe it's time to stop thinking my people and your/their people - we never had the chance to choose anyway. So forgive me if I vote people (no matter the religion or origins) over land.

Nicko, as usual with this discussion, I see eye to eye with you. I don't say anything because it does no good and I won't change any minds. It does sadden me though to see that type of behavior from anyone. I live in a world of freedom, and I know I can't understand life in the middle east, and I won't pretend to. But I feel children from a young age, on BOTH sides, are being brainwashed. Children aren't born with such hatred, that's a learned trait.

The comment that really disturbed me was someone saying we fear them because they sacrifice with a smile. I'll tell you all now, the unknown of death is scary, but I know I will go home to my savior. That does not mean I will smile as rockets are launched and innocent people are killed. War, to me, is a last resort. Were in 2012, I can't fathom the hatred happening. My disgust lands with extremists.. I try not to blanket that feeling, especially when I know that being Christian, I don't fit into the stereotype.

Nor, you always come back at just the right times lol. I love your whole post.

That was terrible thing to say.
people say outrageous things when they are outraged. I am sure he did not mean it.
they are in the middle of a cruel war. their feeling is hurt; they say hurtful things, regretful things!!

^Awesome point.

:)(:

I want to set a good example of my faith, so I must act and speak in a good way. That's why I apologize for acting just like our villainous enemy instead of being better than it. I just don't want people to think of me and our faith as monsters, when in fact, we are not.

I know it's very hard to understand an Arabian who was born at the sight of his land being raped, his brothers in blood being murdered, his life being subject to dangers and instability and insecurity every moment passes by...

That's why I don't wish you to live my life.
And that's why I'll retreat from all those discussions that stir my emotions and loathsomeness because... in the end... you can't force people to understand you.

(Thank you so very much; you know yourself <3)

Right, this is exactly the difference between a freedom fighter and a terrorist. Freedom fighter no mater how the enemies kill their children, wife,... they would never do the same. they do not put bomb in public palaces, they would never engage in such acts of cruelty because they fight for freedom, not to get even with their tyrants and foes.

"They ask me how I feel
And if my love is real
And how I know I'll make it through
And they, they look at me and frown
They'd like to drive me from this town
They don't want me around
'Cause I believe in you."
I always tend to agree with real meaning
My brother in law had a degree in psychology and he told me that he could not tell anybody how to feel about something
I have had a dream that the folks on the main boards could be as loyal to the trust that a patient has with his shrink as I have experienced in the clubs .I joined a club at Allpoetry called f--ing idiots , when someone calls me a f--ing idiot I invite them to join the club. I will not pretend I have not wanted people to express their true feeling about me before because I believe we are what we believe

BTW the qoute was taken from the lyrics of Dylan's "I believe in you "from his Slow Train Coming album
http://youtu.be/9wZtHRr7gH0

PS it is so good to hear from The Princess

LP I see you being all chummy chummy with everybody on Darren's thread. But let me ask you a question. If a girl of 9 was born to Zionist's would you read her poetry on here or rather watch her bleed to death? And laugh ???

You sicken me ....

Dear Nicko i would die to read her poetry and I would love to to do anything to stop her to bleed to death. I would do the same for the other side as well , would you??
what is wrong with you ?? Now you raise some concern, because as far as my English goes every one here was appalled buy such statement that made you angry, and that should have made you happy!!

Nicko bro, can't you take this to PM's? This is not a website discussion, it is between you and LP and it should stay that way.

Kev would love to take it to PM but LP ran off to the Mods and had me banned from sending him any ...not that I've sent him many maybe 3 before I was banned..

This guy needs to be exposed for the fraud that he is, a lolly pop I one hand and gun in the other

Now he runs around like some do gooder...

I think everyone who cares has gotten the message Nicko, I know I have. He made a really nasty comment and now looks rather stupid for doing so.

What else do you want to happen here? A vote to get him banned? Removal of his posting rights? What?

Having him banned is not up to me...I haven't asked for that and nor will I

No what gets me is that after his vile posts which most may not have seen, (most of his vile comments were removed straight away) he's running around like its all ok, I'm mr nice guy... Well sorry it's not forgotten and it's not ok, some maybe able to turn a blind eye but I can't because given a chance he would pull the trigger on us all, which he has publicly stated he would do...

He is already gone
your intolerance is noted!

I don't want LP to be banned because we all have made mistakes here and the first one is this endless debate on religion. We are always repeating the same things. When will we be a fellowship of poets?When will we nurture the creative spirit of Poetry in each other?

Is he? He once threatened me saying he had friends that could deal with me...!

How could you believe that Nicko?

Do you have prove nicko because after all you did I have problem to believe you. did you report that to the mods
why didn't you paste it for all the members as you did now, because you have all the means and resources to do so as we all know.
But if he did.((hope not)) I do not want to do anything with such person!

That he would threaten me or carry it out...?

The comment was made many months ago, and may have involved Hamas ? But can't remember

It was after some other vile comment he made, I questioned it and he became very personal.. But don't think it was a serious threat, but a threat no less...

Ddavidd I would have to try find it, he was being big and tough with Rab
Did I report it lol... I can look after myself, I've never reported a post or PM in all the years I've been here...

Leave the macho alpha male crap: "I can look after myself "
"I'm already as buff as polished steel"

these all contribute to intolerance; it is not about if you are jams bond or not.
grow up!!

Real Meaning... I don't know if that's productive. He was just responding to your questions.

(Also, I'm pretty sure the 'polished steel' comment was a joke. Not that he's not buff, of course. : P )

How do you know that I, am not joking?

it is again up to our discretion , how much of obviousness we want to intake !
and also it is the matter of convenience.

Sibs is right my friend.It is not productive at all.

Well, LP seems to have publicly apologised and suggested he will check his comments on future threads. Was that the outcome you wanted, Nicko?

All I've got to say is I wish Nor would come on the boards more often.

I didn't follow up on his comments to get an apology, though in the one he's given his hatred is still self evident, nor have I asked him to be banned, nor have I questioned his freedom of speech.

It was done purely to expose him for the person he is! He may well mask his true feelings in regard to this issue from here on in, but that doesn't change him. If it was a one off and I felt that the current situation in Gaza had fuelled his anger it would be understandable though no less acceptable

But it's not, it's happened in a number of threads over the past 12 months. If you had read his comments as to why we should fear him and those like him, maybe you would better understand why I'm taking such a strong stance on this.. or maybe it just affects me more...

Aside, I think the Israeli response is totally unacceptable where they have targeted Hamas leader's homes killing and maiming innocent women and children

I have no idea of how deeply complex and truly devastating the whole situation is or how far the issues extend, but I do think it's good to raise awareness that pure, despicable hate like that will not be tolerated here, at least in our little virtual community.

Nicko, I didn't want to join this -useless- conversation but oh well you drove me angry by going so mad over this, and saying it is over 12 months he made similar comments, well since when did Israeli army stop attacking Gaza? the never stopped and will never stop until they do like they did with the rest Palestine: total annihilation, in 1948 through to 1973 they annihilated whole towns, which have children in them and when 2000s they started their lethal attack over Gaza and eastern side of Palestine and also they started their attacks on the boarder towns of Lebanon and they are still going on as far as I am concerned. so don't tell me he wasn't angry 12 months ago and people like you Nicko who never see the real story makes him more angry so he might say things he doesn't mean and that is a thing I am sure of. So don't come here and say I am here to expose his real bla bla bla, it actually exposed only one thing for me, that you hate LP I don't care why but as much as his 'hate' isn't acceptable here, your 'hate' isn't acceptable here too, so stop this nonsense

I too din't want to join this conversation, but Max your comments made me join it.......they are as much derogatory as LP-style belittling and lamblasting (fast becoming a trademark) to people who have independent views.

Without really going in to the depths of what Nicko has correctly pointed out, outrageous and irresponsible comments and threats over a period of time by a member, with a tendency to go ballistic every time, when not checked. And when challenged, retreat behind a group of poetic sympathizers and like minded Arab friends, pretending "what did I really do?". A "classic" never ending repeating pattern, which like the Palistinian "cause" will not gain more sympathizers or friends .

Your views are as much skewed in politics as anyone else from that side of the fence. History is not propaganda, and when you learn it only from one side, you will have the kind of statements that you are making on the Palistinian-Israeli never ending conflict. Essentially it remains a religious war, without doubt, with no winners to emerge without a true attempt of compromise from each side.
Has Israel or Jews ever attacked the Arabs outside of self-defense or retaliation for incitements (unlike their Palistinian adversaries or like-minded Arabs) or innocent civilians the world over? The latter is real history, not propaganda, and will truly hurt, not gain any sympathizers or friends with the Palistinian cause for self governance. Attacking world citizens in their own countries has not only taken away any sympathies one may have had for your liberation cause.......I myself had for decades, until lately....sorry! The comments I read from most young Arab members on this site, is the single best reason that helped change that! I have a Palestinian neighbor, an American immigrant and a good friend, and I hope he does not share the same political views.
But, if you truly want to read the real history of your "cause" (not propaganda from Israel or Palistinians), you may wish to read this some day:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict

(I forgot, din't someone say Wikipedia is "biased" and not to be trusted either).

Attacking peaceful citizens of the world (or of a poetic site) is not the way to gain sympathizers and friends. I had true sympathy with your cause, until like minded comments in the threads by your fellow Palistinians burnt them down. So go on, keep attacking mature people who point out issues with that kind of philosophy, religion or no religion.

Your "cause" has much rebuilding to do, to establish Peace here and in the world or seek true sympathizers. And, yes if a WW III was to ever start, it will be from your corner of the World, and the West would be to blame for "propaganda" and "lies".

We are deceiving ourselves if we think true Peace will ever come, by belittling independent thinking people.

AlS I don't see myself belittling Nicko I just said that he was wrong, just as you said I am wrong, so should I say you are belittling me as an independent thinker which I am?? no, I am not going to say that cause after all it is matter of opinion, you dislike mine and I dislike your opinion. no belittling in that =) tho I can take that first few lines as a personal attack at my face I won't so lets talk with some reason please?
first, I was talking to Nicko about Judging people when they are Angry and that is wrong cause that isn't what the person really feel or is
second, you came in attacking me and saying my comments is "derogatory", well weren't you the one saying we shouldn't throw attacks at each other while debating around something??
and third, I wana tell you to read History AGAIN cause I told u that once before , not belittling you but since you don't have any right to talk about something you don't know and I want you to know so when you talk you would be more open minded and understanding to all the sides of the story
oh btw Wikipedia supported the words I said in my last comment that Israel is an invader to the land of Palestine and not an owner and I think anybody who studied middle east history will know how did Jews or Israeli people took this land after the English prime Minister Promised them to build them a home and unlucky Palestinians, it was their land to be taken by Israel, and all know about the war at 1948 where Israel invaded Palestine for the first time.
So don't come here throw random words without any knowledge of it from your side. hope I am clear enough for you

and I don't want to gain sympathy here, but Nicko was talking about virtual child being left to die and attacked Abed for saying that he wouldn't help him ( which he apologized later and said it was just an angry post ) a question to Nicko what if that Kid was a Muslim would u help him?? and if your answer is yes why aren't you saddened by what is happening to those children in Gaza everyday and why aren't you so angry about what is happening to Muslim children in Burma oh it is Buddhist killing Muslims based on Religion there, isn't that what you call terrorizing???

well I don't really care about where WW III start
but I refuse you call History a propaganda but I can accept it once and now cause you didn't know but next time pay attention to what you say and make sure it goes well with you Wikipedia links =)

Edit: ALS I won't answer any of your "mistaken" posts about anything again so don't bother yourself and search for links on Wiki, instead read a real book about the subject and then I will welcome you for a civilized debate until then don't expect me to answer any post from you =)
Peace upon you all

Max....I was also reluctant to say anything here because I was overseas and missed the original post but....I don't know why you would consider jumping in to excuse such a post/comment for there simple is no excuse. This comment was blatant hatred and nothing will ever change that in the minds of most. While no one has asked for this person to be banned from the site well....if it were me..there would be no need....I'd just delete my account and crawl into a corner until I grew up some more.

I know you directed the question about saving a muslim at Nicko but let me answer you from my own experience. As you know muslim women in certain cultures have to were the full black robe...don't remember what it's called right now but....one was out swimming in the ocean in Penang with all this clothing on....she went under and couldn't get her footing back because she was weighed down...did I rescue her....of course I did....she was still a human being and was in need of aid...I didn't hesitate!.

Hellon I said he was angry and if u didnt know that angry people say things they dont mean then that is your problem
and yeah I think I will take my covo with Nicko to pm if he want to go on in it and I didnt ask u Hellon I know we are all humans dear :-)

I say things when I'm angry too but...generally I direct them at the person I'm in the argument with and....no matter how angry I was I would NEVER say I'd laugh at someone who is dying....huge difference.

The last part of your post?....well no you didn't so...I guess saving the life of one of you owe people doesn't rate to highly either....

Hellon I said what I have and I dont like saying it twice

again there is nothing called my own people we all are humans and every life worth a lot that is why I wish for once we agree on we all need just peace

Max have you read all of my posts in relation to this? have you? ...Cast your eyes to my previous thread for example, where I mention Israel, which I have done before in previous threads. This is not about race, religion or creed it's about one person's perception on humanity. I don't give a toss if he's a Christian, Buddhist, Muslim or whatever, it was never about that, so please open your eyes

You are only 17 so i will excuse you on this, but I don't need any history lesson from you, with all due respect I'm no expert, but considering I'm currently studying for a degree in it and much of it is based in this region I do have some idea, and as you will learn Wikipedia is totally unreliable and unacceptable as a point of reference. I also suggest you dig out a few more history books and you will find that the Jews were in Palestine a few thousand years ago, just a little before 1948, did the English stuff it up after the Second World War, more than likely but that was 60 odd years ago and we can't turn back the clock

I have friends that are Muslim here in Australia would I save somebody from bleeding to death? to right if I could, though I'm no doctor, be it you LP or anybody. You also know nothing about what I've seen, felt or done. Your defence of LP is admirably but in this instant misplaced

Hopefully that answers any misguided sympathy you may have...