This woman is killing me dead

Larry: I did quit earlier, as you can see above. But, people just want to keep egging, so I am forced to response.
So, I quit again.
Poetess try not to "egg" me again.....OK. Stay within the confines of your lovely poetry. :)

Chelsea: Why are you defending Noura may I ask? She will find a way to learn from her interactions with people she offends. I would have not commented, if you did not go back and score a point, using your "judgement".
In one of the recent Yaki threads you asked me to apologize to Yaki, and I did for suggesting something which did not suit you folks, though one of the mods had previously suggested the same to Yaki indirectly. So, please don't simply interject yourself only to defend or appease your friends and ask apologies from others, perhaps you can advise them the same.

I do commend you for quitting alcohol and whatever else (boys included...:)
Just for your knowledge, my child has already achieved 3/4 things in life that I value........respect for others, stay away from "obsceneties, arguments and juvenile behavior" and getting good grades, staying focused in life/school. I already know he understands the value of not touching alcohol or drugs...on this I have to wait and see whether he can follow it long enough. He also understands the value of not getting distracted in early life (girls included), and spirituality...that gives birth to moral behavior, that no parent or teacher can completely teach to any child.

So Larry, I quit again. Sibs we do have 10-14 year olds too, perhaps even younger. I would love to see what you do when you have one that age. :)

Gaurav, thank you for reminding, the majority is not always right. Isn't that what I heard Jane say one day :)

Bravo for your child* Awesome accomplishments..sounds like me when I was 14..Adorably perfect..then I got a boyfriend, then I hit 18.....you never know what can happen.

Also, friends??? Really? Noura and I haven't spoken in like...hmmm 6 months or so. I wouldnt call us friends. However, it doesnt matter if we are friends or not, again when I feel that flaws are being pointed out on anyone, any age, any gender, I'll defend it. People should not be made fun of, or put down for their decisions or actions, especially teenagers. That is no place for you to judge or make public opinions of...

I didn't read the poem so I can't really judge. However, concerning children and what they should/shouldn't be exposed to I'd say that they certainly shouldn't be exposed to the language quoted from the poem in ALS posts. Sadly, that's not the case nowadays, even in the middle east, and it's just sad to see the way children deal, talk and interact with each other, let alone adults. I'm all with openness but after a certain age so that the child can really filter what he's being exposed to not take it as is. I believe in early years parents should protect, monitor and guide the child until he's able to decide for himself and has the tools so that such an exposer wouldn't harm him or fault his character. My dad is of the same school of thought like ALS and I grew up just fine - I've also seen how others with more "open" parents turned out, would I like to be them? No. Not at all. I'd say he's protected me from many a mistake and lots of things that I could've done without. Although, at that time, I wasn't that grateful.

As to posting on here I think sib's idea would do - a warning in the title. At least that's the best idea for now.

"People should not be made fun of, or put down for their decisions or actions, especially teenagers. That is no place for you to judge or make public opinions of...

^ agreed, but do you know where it really started, and who put down who? Aren't you making public opinions and judgements yourself?

Best, to quit pointing fingers then. The purpose of this discussion is over. Some people do not agree with such postings, some feel it is their birth right, some others want children to be able to tell the difference how is f*** used, literally or artfully. Glad, Shakespeare din't use it either way.

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Glad to here your opinions too Princess and Everlasting. Would love to see Princess's comments in the Egypt thread.

Agreed, but do you know where it really started, and who put down who?

Oh grow up. We don't need to play the blame game here. I was defending ONE post you made to Nour, not the whole damn thread. ..didn't you notice me mucking around and not paying attention to this thread before I read that?...I just read one thing that bothered me and defended it.

Have a good day sir.

The poem was too much for the lonely highness, I took it down and your 14 year old still lives in a world where he can find free porn everywhere when you're not around.

Xoxooo.... can we all shut up now and eat cake its almost christmas

^ that's what I've been saying give me some hugs and love or something...tis the season, now let's cheers with some eggnog and stuff our face. Geesh!

Tally: Who does and doesn't like eggnog?

I'm on the "I like eggnog" side of the line, but I hear it's a divisive issue.

The eggnog will now have a new diction attached, thanks for the "encouragement" to post vulgar language for our 8-18 yrs to learn poetry from.

Poetess asserts "Plus, it's a Janis rule that we actually can use vulgar English and swear words as long as they're not directed at a member"

^ Did Janis, whisper it in someone's ear that we can really post as much of vulgarities as we like to entertain our readers?

So from here on, we will see all swear words that we din't see before in the threads? Is that the conclusion?
Salute you Yaki Princess to get it all started:/ Go on, post the poem back, you have a free leash now...from one of the Mods!

We can have a Poetry competition too! One who can post the most obsceneties that one can find in free verse....and then the finals in a Shakespearean sonnet or other formed poetic forms....will be wonderful to publish it on the Front page as well!

Congratulations, we will now have a new poetic site filled with Teen Tourette players... perhaps JANIS can design a banner..."Come and join PnQ my young friends, you will learn how to poetically swear ...guaranteed. Winners will get a Grand prize for a trip for two to Hawaii!

You should just not have internet in your household, that will solve your concerns. And those who wish to be in the vulgar cyber world will have internet.

Therefore, ALS and his 14 yr old do not have to see our potty mouths and dirty minds, and the rest of us are free to be in this disgusting, sexual, raunchy site freely...and naked if we want.....

*rolls eyes*...

Isn't this so called "funny" conversation getting out of hand.

So, now you want exclusive rights to the internet, by shutting up dissenters. ..where are we going from here, Ms. ?

You want to have the last word...go ahead. I don't want to compete with you.

*twerks all over lonely's posts*

Lmfao Yaki just burst out laughing in class....

Lonely, I was just being over dramatic like your last post. . It was fun while it lasted I see why you do it :)

*twerk* *twerk*

Make that bum vibrate chels

*twerks on a handstand*

Yes! Its turned into a dance partyyyy :)

Bow- bow- boom -boom

*shakes* tehe

This is a better atmosphere!

Loool

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Princess, all Arabian countries differ in how children are raised. Probably you come from an aristocratic community in Egypt? That's why you have that view. You have to speak about reality.

I was allowed to watch TV since I was 3 yrs old, and I used to watch Mexican series... there was nudity, there was very intimate scenes, ravishing kisses, etc.... And I started watching porn since a very young age. Also, kids in my neighborhood use words that no one could imagine.

Did this affect me? No.

My friends always tell me: Why don't you swear like us???? C'monnnnn!!

It's still a no.
I find it hard to utter swear words in front of ppl. And it's not because of my parents. It's a personal choice. Self-censorship.

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And ALS, believe me.. , like Yaki said...

no boy in the world, whether he was the son of an archbishop or the son of I don't know who....

DON'T WATCH PORN.

It's good for you to protect your son, but it's bad for you to imagine that he doesn't do anything behind your back... of course he's no angel.... unless he's deprived of his genital organs. that'd be a different story.

LP, I didn't say Arabian countries - I said Middle East. Although this can be the case almost everywhere now - parenting is becoming a lost art, really. My opinion anyway. Thankfully, I was raised by a family of professors and intellects - aristocratic? If you'd consider the upper middle class that. However, I wouldn't say anything in my life or views lack reality.

I feel sorry for children who've spent their childhood watching tv series and adult shows. A teenager might stray from the right path like Chelsey mentioned - Yes, of course, but that doesn't mean or justify parents giving up and letting go.

As to what you mentioned not effecting you - I seriously doubt it, especially after reading your posts here - but it's your life anyway. I wouldn't like to see such advocated, though. Our society has lost enough soul and meaningfulness. It's become shallow through and through - it's sad.

Oh, that's great for you being raised by intellects.
Too bad, not everybody is like you.

You're free to doubt lol. I cannot know you from after a screen, just remember that. And you cannot know me, too. It's a virtual world, eventually, and what happens here is totally different from how you are outside... well.. at least since you were raised by intellects, you would've sensed it. anyway...

it is sad.

* Wait... with Middle East, you are excluding Egypt? Because as far as I know, Egypt isn't in the ME. - Weird.

Waw, I'm so good at starting threads that get under the skin of others

Would ya'll like to start paying me for this?... come on.. I'm a pro.

Egypt isn't among middle eastern countries? What? Egypt is not an Arab country - but certainly middle eastern.

I'm sorry you took it that way - I certainly didn't mean that I was raised by better people. I wanted to point out that I'm not that much separated from people from different walks of life. I was raised by people who are very well aware of what's happening and what you might have meant by "reality" - that's all.

Abed, what type of shows did you watched?

Mexican series?

Wait.. I'm confused now...

but warever

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Luce, they were translated of course... I know the names in Arabic, but I think they're called Maria Mercedes.... You & Me ... etc :p They were old and really addicting.

"Egypt is not an Arab country - but certainly middle eastern."

Wait...what? Egypt, Masr, isn't an Arabic country? Ohmygod, Nor... it's the most Arabic country in the Arabic world.

Haha Abed, you watched Luce clarita ? khoan Enrique ? :P

Actually, it isn't. Neither our heritage or origins or history belongs to that of Arabs. We don't even have a common history/civilization considering Egypt was Pharaonic - it's been conqured by Arabs and afterwards has taken/imported, due to some economic factors, cultures and traditions that aren't ours to begin with. So, I wouldn't call Egyptians Arabs- not because it's something bad, it isn't. It's just simply not true.

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Nana, I think so... haha, I don't remember names. Just faces and stories :p

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Princess, are you drunk... or.... what?

It's interesting really how many people whine about westernazation while being totally ignorant of the arabization of the MENA region that has been taking place for decades. Arabs were Arabs before even the start/beginning of the Islamic calendar - at that time Egyptians were simply Egyptians. What's in common now is just language and calling all Arabic speaking nations Arabs is like calling all English speaking ones British or all French speaking ones French.

As to your reply - quite a point you make here. It really adds to the disscussion.

It sounds like you guys just don't have a shared definition, here. By Princess's definition, Egypt wouldn't be Arabic. By other people's definitions, it would be.

As for me, I wouldn't know either way. : )

Question for Nor: This is just my curiosity, it doesn't really have anything to do with the discussion. But, is there a strong focus on ancient Egyptian culture and history when you are learning in school? We have American History classes, here, but there's a much shorter time-span to cover. If you have Egyptian history classes, do they go back like... all the way? Upper and lower kingdoms? Before? Or do they focus on more modern history?

If you do learn a lot about ancient Egypt, do you feel a connection to that history? Do you feel it has relevance in your life or the lives of people around you? Or is it so remote that it feels separate from your own history?

Sorry, that's a lot of questions. I'm just curious about what it feels like to have a connection to an ancient culture that lots of other people are also interested in.

"As to your reply - quite a point you make here. It really adds to the disscussion."

+1

^ dude above,, did you notice that you didn't add anything new to this talk, too? :) lol

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TP, Since you have such a high level of intellect, haven't you learned at school what does Arabian Identity mean? Or lemme guess, you were taught at a private US school or something alike in Egypt?

You really surprised me with your primitive knowledge and 'opinion'.

In brief, this is what Arabs share in common, hence, the term Arabian.

1- language
2- common history
3- common wishes/ambitions
4- heritage/culture

...........etc...........

You just made everyone think that Egypt spoke Spanish, and that it shares history with Antarctica not Lebanon & Syria & Palestine.... and that Egypt cares about being a part of European union, and that it invented Mcdonald's.

"""The country known as Egypt is officially called the Arab Republic of Egypt and it is situated in the north-east of Africa; though the Sinai Peninsula forms a land bridge with south-west Asia. It is because of this that Egypt is also called a Middle-East country. Therefore Egypt is a transcontinental country, which helps it in being a major power in Africa, the Middle-East, the Mediterranean, and the Muslim world."""

http://www.ask-aladdin.com/egypt.html

Thank you, Luce.
I didn't find any need though to go to the web and come here with info about Egypt lol, because you know... the fact that Egypt is the mother of the Arab world is just like 1+1 logic.

And I am still confused about those people who lack such logic.

In moments like these, I am like... I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

Good day and Merry Christmas folks.

According to some yahoo forums, Egypt is a mixture of arab and african and middle eastern.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080601022838AAcQFID

Interesting

Merry Christmas to you too.

Exactly. Which is why I said there's been an Arabization process - the word "Arab" in the Arab republic of Egypt has been added in the 1971 constitution which is like 40 years ago - before Egypt was the Kingdom of Egypt. No Arab thingy.

Sibs, I'll answer you the moment i'm back from work since I need to write quite a bit regarding that.

Sibs, there is quite a focus on history in general. We studied everything, starting ancient Egyptian first royal families (we actually studied all of them in detail at times) till alexander the great, the roman, Arab, french and British overtake of Egypt or parts of it, Mohamed Ali and his family, the fall of the monarchy and the last three (now four) presidents, of course Mubarak's achievements... Etc. and lots of other things in between - like Saladin and such.

I wouldn't say the focus is on modern history - now that I think of it, it was more on the instances Egypt was controlled by another country and the role various resistance forces played.

I can't talk about everyone but for me I do feel a connection not to a certain period in history but to Egypt in general. It's just very hard to remove the connection between Egypt now and it's ancient history because it's always there infront of your eyes - be it the pyramids, temples, the tales and myths, the souvenirs - it's almost everywhere. so no, I guess it doesn't feel neither remote nor separate at all.

The reason I mentioned that period though in my previous post was different, though. I wanted to point of we had different history and values from the start - Egypt has had female rulers and women in general playing a very active role, we lived mostly around the river not desert, the tribal thing as known today wasn't part of Egypt, neither were certain aspects of dress, attitude or tradition. Ever since the fall of the monarchy and the occupation of Palestine a trend towards arabization have been as fierce as ever. However, if you track down who are actually the Arabs in essence you'll be surprised. Most of the people calling themselves Arabs now aren't including people who've posted here. Now, problem is, when people start looking at themselves, which they are now, as Arabs they start acting and judging accordingly ( in terms of what will an Arab think/do?). You don't look at your own history, values and traditions but instead look at a totally different one and trace back to it. You just need to look at Egypt say in the 1950s and now to really see the huge striking difference, not just when it comes to looks/the way of dress (in case you happen to find a picture) but even in the way of thinking. It's simply not us.