Gruesome violence

The video games that their targets are to prepare American adolescents for the violence that is necessary in invading other countries, is back firing at their own innocent people!! The amount of violence and disregard for human life in some of these games are beyond the level of gruesome. They make teenagers who are vulnerable to the fantasy world, to get totally absorbed in the sub reality world of a most horrid violence, and replace them with the reality itself.
When heads get smashed the bloods get splashed all over the places they are praised and scour more points , therefor more exited. This eventually sinks in their subconscious and totally twist their psyche. This totally numbs their tender feeling and compassion for other creatures and make them to enjoy the sight of blood and good kills... how else you could explain the constant repeats of these recent violence??

You and I must have watched the same TV reporting (CNN) from today. Completely agree with the concern that violent "shooter" "killer" video games could have contributed to the crime we saw a few days ago.

Is that the reason you moved from USA to Canada (assault rifle free zone) RM? haha!

I know but this was my initial believes from longtime ago. I again and again talked about the danger. I observed some teenagers while they playing these games, how they cheer for kills, they are horrifying .
These games and also the violence depicted in the Hollywood movies, open deep deep cavities of violence and ruthlessness in the roots of people's subconscious.

I have bases in both countries back and forth. I have lots of love for both also, but differently!!

Bullcrap.

I assume you are talking about the recent shootings. Mentally ill people (like the guy who did the shootings) can take perfectly normal things that almost 99% of the population experience and never have a problem with, and they go nuts and idiots blame computer games, or rock music, movies.

Kevin: "BS. Mentally ill people can take perfectly normal things that almost 99% of the population experience and never have a problem with, and they go nuts and idiots blame computer games, or rock music, movies."

You always use the language of disrespect and intolerance!!

I don't mean to disrespect anyones views or beliefs here but..I really don't agree with this.

If someone wants to shoot someone...they're gonna do it, video game or not. I don't believe the media influences that decision.

I was playing violent video games from the age of 12 upwards (now almost 25) and..I don't wanna shoot or even hurt anyone else. :/

If someone seriously wants to hurt another human being..then they will do. Regardless of the circumstances surrounding it...for example, my favourite artist is Eminem. Who raps about murder, robbery, rape etc. Does that mean I agree with it? No. Does that mean I think it is okay? No. Does that mean I think it is okay to joke about about things such as these? No. Far from it. But the way he raps about it and makes it light hearted doesn't make me want to do it myself.

It's all in the mind frame of each individual in my opinion.

Some blame the media for hyping a tragedy
I don't watch much local news . I never even heard what weapon a child killer used in the county I live in google
Mother, 2 sons murdered in Manchester, Boyfriend charged

Posted: Sep 23, 2010 8:14 AM CDT Updated: Oct 23, 2010 8:11 AM CDT

Stephanie Hershman, 26, and her two sons were found murdered in their Manchester home Wednesday night.

Matthew Perkins, 30, was arrested Wednesday night.

Photo courtesy: ManchesterTimes.com

The family's home on Liberty Court in Manchester.

Perkins was located at the Jameson Inn in

MANCHESTER, Tenn. - An Army recruiter has admitted to killing his girlfriend and her two children after their bodies were found in their Coffee County home Wednesday night.

Twenty-six-year-old Stephanie Hershman and her sons, three-year-old Jathan and one-year-old Jaylon, were found dead inside the family's home on Liberty Court off Skinner Flat Road in Manchester at about 8:30 p.m.
"I just felt sick. Just overwhelmed, wondering why and how this could happen so close," said neighbor Robin Meek.
Sgt. 1st Class Matthew Perkins, who investigators said had been dating Hershman for a few months, is behind bars in Franklin County, charged with three counts of first degree murder.

Right Michael

Jenni Marie
Every individual is different that is for sure. But unfortunately they did not make the world from your image. Masculinity resort to violence way more than its counter part. We never had any woman mass killers like this.
The statistic 99 present if it is true is a feeble argument. Even if these games affect one in thousand, still is enough damages done. And for what?? what is so vitally important bout these games ?? what would we gain by promoting such vivid replicas of gruesome killing?? why should we even endanger these little blossoms, these innocent pure potential victims, in exchange for some wacky entertainments?? Why can't we enjoy sports or another versions of virtual games that are less violent and God forbid could evoke the sense of beauty and love instead ...??
Why should we allow these vivid images of gruesome killing??
do we need these?? why knowing, that we're sending them to the most primitive part of our psyche, to the reptilian cortex ... were we are most vulnerable ?? to make profit?? Haven't we had enough study about the effect of subliminal messages??
Group psychology already indicated that the affect of visualization is almost as much as actual reality. (The survey about the basketball groups)

Jenni Marie: Aggression is a male trait, in general....though females with high testosterone levels, bad bringing up and substance abuse may also experience this uniquely male characteristic.

The article below will support the relationship of violent video games and crime.

http://www.science20.com/news_articles/3_new_studies_violent_video_game_effects_youths

There is a contrary study published in 2010 which seem to deny this association:

http://www.science20.com/news_articles/violent_video_games_not_cause_aggession_kids_study

However, if you read this last study you would realize it is a poorly designed, uses self reported data as evidence....non-scientific. In addition, I have questions whether this was truly an independent study, or funded by the gun mfrs lobby?

Further, there are many studies linking "short attention span" with children playing video games excessively...not surprised, as typically the ADHD children and adults seek out these "thrilling" adventures more than others.

In the Sandy Hook school incident, the young man seems to have had Asperger's.....which essentially reduces judgement & insight (superego formation), which puts you at a big disadvantage socially with peers, anger results against people, peers and family who failed him. This may have been contributory to this young man's skewed thinking incarrying out this act. Clearly he was unable to distinguish between children (innocents) and adults, when his "immature" mind turned violent (psychopathic) and led him to commit such a heinous crime. Here is the link supporting aggression in Asperger's:
http://bir.brandeis.edu/bitstream/handle/10192/22926/Medlin_2008.pdf?sequence=2

On top of these factors, there is a very high prevalence (60-80%) of ADHD in children/adults with Asperger's.

I did dunk the theory of an unresolved Oedipal complex in the other thread in my third post, on the 2nd day, as the evolving news clarified that the mother was killed at home and was not a current teacher at the school.

I think I will let Michael answer your thoery on Asperger's...as far as I know this is related to autism and I don't think it has any violent tendencies.

ADHD was never heard of when I was growing up and I think the reason is quite obvious....kids who misbehaved got a smack on the bum....end of story. These so called do-gooders have a lot to answer for....you can no longer smack your kids so when they grow too old to put them in the naughty corner...drug them up instead!

Video games?..Well I've always said I don't agree with the time kids spent on them but...technology has come on the scene and it's not going to go away so....monitor what your child is playing and the length of time allowed....it's all about good parenting so.....STOP making excuses and finding explanations for things that have gone wrong....the parents are to blame...end of story.

Hellon: Michael has alluded to Asperger as a possibility, but so did many famous and talented people....scientists, artists, writers were presumed to have Asperger's.
http://www.asperger-syndrome.me.uk/people.htm

This is a scientific reference of the close association between the 2 conditions:
http://www.aane.org/asperger_resources/articles/miscellaneous/aspergers_or_adhd.html

So the implication that ALL Asperger's have ADHD or behavior issues (juvenile, sociopathic or psychopathic) is highly erroneous. In some cases well raised children with Asperger's are exceptionally bright in academics, science and literary fields (like savants). Michael, may belong to this latter category :)

Sorry....you must have misread me...I separated the both because I don't know if they are related.

I do know Asperger's is related to autism in some way but I thing ADHA is something that is a modern ailment that a smack on the bum could have sorted out in younger years.

My son is Autistic, he plays videos games, as far as I am aware he hasn't killed anybody for real yet but I will check when he gets home from school.

Whenever a tragedy such as the school shooting happens the following events happen;

Blame the culture of the country concerned, then blame violent computer games........

It falls squarely at the parents feet I am afraid, They have a duty of care to teach right from wrong, they can install a sense of respect into their children with the right guidance, even a child with Aspergers can deal with right and wrong. There is also a support network available in this country and I would guess in most.

When I was a kid we had video games, they were violent but obviously not very realistic, but we still played war and other fighting games outside with our friends. What is the difference.
Has anybody looked to see what rating these computer games have on them?
If for instance a 9 yr old boy plays an 18 rated (or rated R) game is this the fault of the industry or the parents?

One thing that disturbed me was the sign at the school 'visitors welcome'
Why!!!???

After 9 o clock you need special permission to get onto my childrens school grounds, the doors are locked, the gates are locked and the secretary is behind a glass screen with a 'panic button' within reach.

I will finsih with a quote from a newspaper I read in England today.....

'After Obama has talked about introducing tougher gun measures, families have flocked to snap up guns at local stores, shopowners have said guns are selling out like hot cakes....'

These are the parents buying these, probably for their children,

this is the problem.

Aspergers is a convienant excuse.

Asperger is a PDD and not true Autism...., just lumped with it. The social deficits are the most prominent in Aspergers, with intact language (as against Autism), but then ADHD is not uncommon, as stated above.

The last article link above is useful to read.
http://www.aane.org/asperger_resources/articles/miscellaneous/aspergers_or_adhd.html

Time for zzzzzzzzz.

I was not diagnosed with Asperger Syndrome Symptoms until about three years ago. From what I understand you do not have to have all the symptoms of autism and even Aspies range from the clumsy Mr. Bean to the mechanical Dr Spock. My mother cured me of banging my head on the floor by making the other end hurt worse and I am grateful . The ADHD or zoning out is what the observer sees, to me, is what another aspie explained it best . What you would see as zoning out we experience as honing in. I have reached a trance like state but the mind is a funny thing . Don't hate me for admitting this but empathy did not come naturally to me and I used to think it was funny to put a cat in a drawer. Cats are naturally claustrophobic . I was otherwise peace loving

Well all I can say is this...A couple of years ago I had never spoken to Michael but from observations from the posts he made I thought he was autistic...a compulsion with facts and numbers....always very accurate so I pm'd him and asked..that's when he told me it was probably aspergers. I don't know if they are related but...at the time, it appeared to me anyway that it was possible.

Anyway Mike...jump right in now...I've said in the past and I know it made you laugh....Michael knows everything....even BC.. he has facts :)

*Edit....see you jumped in before I finished posting :)

I think the autism spectrum is not very narrow but compulsion defines me . Thank God I have a desire to return to the good in me no matter how far I have strayed from the most constructive path. I still visit unmoderated forums to troll the NRA lovers but for the most part I am polite until rubbed the wrong way lol

I'm going to have to disagree with you wholeheartedly here, RM.

I've spent my whole life watching gory movies and playing video games such as the ones you speak of.

I'll tell you one thing - not once in my life have I ever equated death and violence on a television screen with anything happening in the real world.

Just because a madman might gravitate toward violent video games does not mean anything for the rest of the populous. Video games are not the cause of anything. Maybe in the minds of those who are already warped, but not as a general rule.

I read of few of the studies that ALS posted above. Are any of them long-term or do they just study immediate results? In that case, organized sports increase aggression in the population, too. So should we abolish the NHL, NFL, NBA, etc?

You can't equate a rise in aggression during a match of Street Fighter with something as big as murder. You just can't do it.

The fact that a 20 year old mass murderer played violent video games is no surprise. Most 20 year old males are playing violent video games today. It's part of our culture. Helps us get away from how shitty our society is.

Maybe these fantastical games helped this crazy Lanza dude keep from killing people for a while. Who knows?

There's just not enough evidence to support your claims here.

Oh I love this the human race again trying to find excuses
What a bunch of crap , people who are metal ill
Could see you eat and think about murder or death
, every time grand theft auto or any other shooting game comes out they always attach its Blame, yes a small
Percentage of the world do get obsessive with games
Same with films and porn ... But they are unstable I have played these games all my life it doesn't mean I want to recreate it in life, they need to stop blaming games that about 10% of the world get obsessed with and start looking at the
Other 90 % that don't take it into real life , and realize its the
People them selfs.

Darren your post was legend haha

Thanks Tony,

To dear Jordan and to whom it may concern::
It is not really rational to conclude everything from our personal experiences, then compare them to the empiric reality of others even it seems so conveniently right. Conveniently because in our personal experience, in our scale, we are equal to the rest of the world.
What you really saying is like my grand father (and so many others) used to say : why do they say smoking is cancerous, I am smoking for 40 years and never got cancer.
If something is concluded damaging, it dose not include every single particle of collective. Smoking increases the risk of cancer, as much as the violent movies and games, the violence and mass murdering, in our society.
We are all the creature of habits. We draw our actions from the sources we are exposed to. But not everyone draw equally from only one possibility. In the forest of civilization everyone picks bits and pieces from here and there and matches them with the other carts that is already picked or are available to them. What we should do as a healthy environment, is to cut the sources (the joker carts) that increase the risky and harmful possibilities. Especially those that have nothing or very little, to contribute back!!!!!
I am asking you and all those that they have claim in the parenthood, yet defend these games wholeheartedly (mostly because they like to play, themselves) to tell me what good would ever come out of these games except entertainment?? Why shouldn't we resort to something more safe and meaningful, to some entertainments that enhance the sense of beauty and aesthetic in us instead of diminishing them??

What we should do as a healthy environment, is to cut the sources (the joker carts) that increase the risky and harmful possibilities. Especially those that have nothing or very little, to contribute back!!!!

^ You heard the man. Lets shut down a multi-billion Smoking, tobacco and alcohol industry.

Around 6 million deaths a year are caused by tobacco.

Smoking is set to kill 6.5 million people in 2015 and 8.3 million humans in 2030, with the biggest rise in low-and middle-income countries.

Every 6.5 seconds a current or former smoker dies, according to the World Health Organization (WHO).

An estimated 1.3 billion people are smokers worldwide (WHO).

Around 100 million people died because of tobacco use in the 20th century.

A "death clock" now follows the tobacco use death toll since October 1999, just under 40 million and counting. It was set up by the World Health Organization in October 2008.

The harmful use of alcohol results in 2.5 million deaths each year. (WHO)

On average 3,000 people are killed or seriously injured each year in drink drive collisions. These are the people who with no fault of their own, died or got seriously injured, only because some party had ample booze and the people drunk themselves mad.

The cigarette packs contain warnings and cautions on them. Mentioning smoking is injurious to health. Why not just shut down the production of substances?. The answer, politics. They dont want the people to stop abusing on substances. They are doing the bare minimum to stop such wrong abuse, only because they have to, from time to time, to spread a sense of false security to the people, convincing the masses that they are fulfilling their duties, the burden they took an oath to bare.

Games, are entertainment. But they do cultivate a mentality of problem solving. Increasing co-ordination and awareness. By personal observation, I have found people engaging into technology and gaming to be more intelligent than those hanging out at the mall, for most of them indulge in self loathing, on how they will never find love, and keep on changing partners anyways.

Rage is displayed by those facing substance abuse the most. There are more kids being transferred to a foster home because their parents came home drunk and had a fight, threw some verbal projection and then a few physical. Eventually decided to split up. There are thousands of women being beaten everyday because their spouses have a substance addiction. They get their earnings forcefully taken by their spouses for drugs and such. if you'd really like to cleanse the society, then every microscopic issue must be fixed. A person cluttering the streets with random garbage must also be made to realize, that society may contain masses as a whole, but the masses constitute individuals willing to work for the benefits of one another.

And a killer who goes on rampage need not be aggravated by games. It could be an under dwelling psychological issue, related to child hood issues, Molestation. Bullying, etc. Or a sense of helplessness, or any other problem. Which could be piling up, building up for a substantial amount of period. The chances are that sense power one feels during a game could add to the issues piling up. But it solely cannot be responsible for a rampage. It is necessary for the parents to see that they prohibit their child to all violent games. For a probability that 1 in 10,000 individual can go crazy over a game, we cannot deprive the entire mentally stable society, some entertainment. Serial killers have existed in the society long before came the games. Two world wars and a number of land acquisition battles have taken place, only because rulers were drunk on power. Not games.

No offence to anyone.

Thank you, exo. You always say what I want to say but you're so much smarter about it.

RM should we then stop making film? Paintings? Poetry?

Should we ban martial arts and boxing? Contact sports?

Should we keep ourselves limited to bright colors and fantastical universes where nobody gets hurt?

The reality is in front of us, all we do is portray it in an artistic manner.

^ Not a problem bro.

Oh and I never liked how metal genre is constantly misunderstood to be the devil's music. On the contrary, metal has helped memorization, to retain information I have learned. It has to do with order, symmetry, rhythmic patterns, repetition, ideal mathematical form, and harmony.

Metal has breakdowns, gravity blasts, polymetered song structures and polyrhythms, Multiple complex riffs, etc. Processing the simultaneous functioning of a multitude of musical instruments is difficult and takes a while to get used to. Just playing the first 10 seconds of the song will only sound like random noise, because the brain cannot yet distinguish between the number of instruments playing. The list of instruments include the lead guitar, the rhythm guitar, the bass guitar, the entire drum kit which includes, the snare drum, bass drums, hit-hat, tom-toms, and different categories of cymbals, and not mention the vocals, paying attention to the lyrics. Some bands have the turn table and the keyboard as well. Its a really good exercise for the brain.

People will higher IQ's have been studied to listen to the classical followed by metal. There are articles on it. A number of metal bands have intriguing lyrics, that tickle one's thinking bone.

And the same with violent movies. Those who don't enjoy gory movies should refrain from watching them. A simple yet effective solution.

And again no offence. Posting out of pure boredom.

Just a relevant bump.

This is a response to the NRA's recent attempt to re-visit the 10-or-so year old argument and blame video games for violence rather than accessibility of unreasonably powerful weapons:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/12/30/violence-and-video-games-in-america/

If we armed our public school officials with pistols, things like this wouldnt happen nearly has often. You blame violent video games, I blame improper parenting . Take away a parents right to whoop their childs ass and you take the discipline out of the child, you take that away, and all hell breaks loose.

^^^^

Arming public school officials with pistols....are you serious? That is your answer to the problem? Then you blame improper parenting? The mother of this murderer had 5 guns of various degrees of harm registered in her name...yeah...great message this parent sent and every other parent who has a licence for an auto or semi auto weapon....why would you need either?

I never played video games and I've never killed anybody. With any intent. So there's that.

I find many video games disturbing, but I get it. I am attracted to all manner of other disturbing things and fantasise about all sorts of disturbing ideas. Does that mean I will ever act on them? Maybe.

So, my point is... well... you never really, really know what the hell is going on with anybody. That's what makes life so fascinating. But, looking at the stats (I haven't), there isn't a real correlation there. Many other factors have to come into play as well before there is a real Game On. (Do they say Game On in video games of gruesome violence? I don't know. Forget I was here. I'm drunk.) ddavidd, you sound a bit conspiracy theory.