What is the diffrence??

What is the difference between poets and politicians??
hummers are most welcomed.

Humm...

EDIT: poets dream too much about thinks that aren't possible at times... while politicians... think about what they can do with the rules that are established..

Poets talk out of their hearts. Politicians talk out of their butts.

(I'm guilty of both.)

Poets write their own speeches.

A poet has a poetic license for idioms

poetic license

noun
license or liberty taken by a poet, prose writer, or other artist in deviating from rule, conventional form, logic, or fact, in order to produce a desired effect.

When a politician says what he does not mean it is bussiness as per usual

What makes you think there is a difference? Abraham Lincoln and Winston Churchill both wrote some wonderful poetry.

One group gets paid to talk nonsense...the other doesn't...except in wine.

Politicians lie to conquer others, poets tell the truth to discover themselves.

I'm sorry from everyone else... but I think Chelsey nailed the difference :)

I like hers too it is very clever
but why are you sorry?? There is no competition here? Everyone enjoys an interesting post. The fact that you're sorry tells a lot about you.

I like that everyone has seen the sens of irony in this comparison, everyone except Hellon.
Hellon, I know a good butcher that in his night job plays an excellent Saxophone without butchering the songs, so should I say that there is no difference in between the butchers and the musicians??

O..k...a...y... :P ?

C'mon Analyze my character. I'm interested :)
You seem to know a lot from the word 'sorry', which I thought I can use it to show my manners or something... ha ha

I did not mean it in a bad way
haha psycho analysis dose not come free

"Politicians shut their heart's doors sometimes in order to serve their purpose but artists let their heart free"
~not mine~

A good politician works to improve the commonweal.
A good poet defines the meaning of the commonweal.
A bad politician works to line just his own pockets.
A bad poet works lines that should just be pocketed.

Politicians say whatever they think the average person want to hear. Poets expresses their feelings not to earn vote but to express emotions that are not seen on the surface.

Poets break the rules that politician helped building them.

I like everlasting answer; she built a perfect butterfly.

Chelsey too while half of the butterfly was unspoken!!

Hellon, I know a good butcher that in his night job plays an excellent Saxophone without butchering the songs, so should I say that there is no difference in between the butchers and the musicians??
^^
Well...that's just your opinion...I may think he cuts his meat too thick or that his saxaphone playing is not up to par. I think Mr Obama is not a good butcher for example and yet he's just been sworn in for another 4 years so....my opinion is in the minority but...it's still my opinion.

I'm not sure if Mr Obama writes poetry or plays the sax in his spare time BTW haha!!!

No. That was Clinton on the alto sax. Pretty good, too.

OMG....he is too Larry...I just googled him! Playing the sax I mean...not sure if he was a good butcher though?

I know sarcasm is closest thing to irony

it is right it is Clinton who is good in sex
Obama sucks in sax

You would not become a president of united state if you suck in butchering
except Obama he suck in that section too!!

To avoid the fallacy of generalizing...

most poets carry the will to express, while most politicians carry the will to impress.

for what (atonement/indulgence; control/power), mostly depends on the individual.

You would not become a president of united state if you suck in butchering
except Obama he suck in that section too!!
^^^

So..Obama is not a butcher..well not a good one anyway....he's neither a poet nor a saxaphone player either and yet....he obviously has some appeal?

Good one
nevertheless, also, poets carry the will to impress and politician, carry it to express ; they both, dig both, as their garden cress.

yes Hellon he is a great sucksyphone player!!

Good one
nevertheless, poets carry the will to impress and politician, to express also; they both dig both in their garden cress
^^

No...I think you may have that backwards. While I will never claim to be a poet....my writings are a way to express....I never worry about impressing anyone?

O really it is hard to believe!! You must be from some angelic planet, because the biggest motivation in art in the earth is to impress the audience.

^You see ddavibb ...maybe that's where the answer to your question really lies....Politicians may need to impress an audience....in my world there is none...I write for me alone.

So why do you post them??
there was a great surreal writer who said (before his end) that he just writes for his shadow. "His shadow that leans against the wall of his room and who seem is really listening." He was a great writer but he did not publish his latest books before he kill himself. He was authentic in what you claim to be!!

By the way he neither sucked, nor played saxophone

but he did butcher his own works.

I post because I can...I'm interested in what other people think of course. but..what I decide to post here is about things that I hope others can relate to ( sometimes that doesn't happen I've found)..I'm very comfortable with who I am right now...I really don't feel the need to impress anyone and..I really thought you were the same...Your poetry tells me so and yet...this comment tells a different story?

There is a misconception here. We make cliches, we turn living subjects to dogmas and than like solders live and die by them, as our weapons.
In art we exaggerate in order to impress the unimpressionable audience. We are impressed by the bravery of the heroes, by their purity and love by their expression, by the colour coordination and impressions of motions . We do almost noting but to impress and be impressed in art. The word impression is interconnected to art. But you only interpret it as something self gratifying : "one who creates only to get admired." But it is not only the self-admiration that artists are looking for, they mostly are looking to entice admiration for the angle of the truth, beauty , meaning, that their art has found.

But of course without letting them to get in their head.

We might not consider ourselves Poets but we are at least amateur poets.

Politicians have a hunger for status, They are usually very single minded and opinionated. They are usually very confident people and can talk in front of crowds comfortably, (even if what they say is written for them)

Poets on the other hand can be fairly self absorbed. I consider myself a fledgling poet who would much rather write novels, however poetry has crept up on me and is now in my system.
Once out of my system I can go back to novels.
I am not great at butchery but can cook a mean Sunday roast. I also play the bass guitar rather than the sax!!

I would rather die than stand up in front of a room and read out one of my poems.
So maybe the difference comes down to one word;

Confidence.

I have often pondered on the difference in a poet and a song writer, In the same way two sisters from KY arranged about five words to make the most sung song of our century Happy Birthday To You Dear add a name and you have a hit. Many times here if we make a hit we get on a hit list? lol

A poet can relate to others and have a real connection and politicians are liars and like AutumLeaves said they lie to get a vote sorry

DolQeen, there is no need of apology. Here is another one:
Artist do not consider other concern and people's opinion as much as politicians. They let it out fearlessly the way it is, or the way they think it should be, without self expurgating and censoring. They are not like politician looking for VOTES. They like to be voted positively but they do not sell a bit of there truth for that. That is why most of them are not well known in there own times. They write for future!!

An artist (true one) makes art for their own well-being; to find connection with other beings such as themselves, to communicate a feeling that cannot be translated in any other human language. To impress an audience is only secondary, if they treat it as their will then they are merely objects, advertisments to sell their own body for amusement and to satisfy their own narcissistic ideal.

If we all ride the same horrendous rollercoaster, it isn't right to say we all had the same experience, each individual has their own subjective experience that cannot be translated to another human being, other than the language of art. And even most times, almost all the time (thanks to the unending problem of interpretation), we fail to experience it the way the same way the artist experiences it. That's why even in the language of art, there are different dialects (mediums) to use to communicate a feeling --- painting, music, poetry, novel, film, dance, combination of the given, etc...

They are not like politician looking for VOTES. They like to be voted positively but they do not sell a bit of there truth for that. That is why most of them are not well known in there own times. They write for future

^^^^

I'm going to question this statement ddavibb about poets looking for votes..on this site anyway. I feel a lot of members miss use the request to read/vote thread...what ever it's called. I see the same people frequent it so obviously they feel the need for votes....they just seem to desire them? So...in this respect they are no different from the polys you talk about...on a lesser scale I guess...

A poet thinks he knows, a politician pretends he knows

Ha ha so dan, then they both do not know, one honestly, the other deceivingly!!

Hellon you are right, the politician spirit has taken over this site instead of the poetical one.
I think out of convenience and comfort zone, it is easier to use the system to bluff and juggle in order to convince others and most of all yourself, rather than improving your poetry!!

An artist (true one) makes art for their own well-being; to find connection with other beings such as themselves, to communicate a feeling that cannot be translated in any other human language. And even most times, almost all the time (thanks to the unending problem of interpretation), we fail to experience it the way the same way the artist experiences it. That's why even in the language of art, there are different dialects (mediums) to use to communicate a feeling --- painting, music, poetry, novel, film, dance, combination of the given, etc...

^ Is there a qualifying criteria for being an artist?..or are you referring to a recognized artist, or someone who is an artist by profession? Any individual who practices any sort of art, regardless of recognition is an artist. And as for the interpretation problem. Humans have evolved as a species on a common scale. Biological intelligence in inherent, but elevation of personal intelligence and the process of synthesis is self dependent.

Politicians.

Politics - Derived from the root word "poly" meaning "many" and "ticks" meaning "bloodsucking parasites."

^

So children, what do we know of politicians from this?

The art of lying could have been associated with politicians, if they had been any good at it.

An artist explores the abstract properties of objects which may be perceived by senses, yet savored only in fantasies of verses. Dreams smeared upon canvases, etc. A politician exploits the abstract faith of citizens, and their beliefs about a good leader. Only savored by them in false fabricated fantasies of a better world. A politician may not be a good leader, but he/she could always excel at other forms of art.

Haha Exostosis so funny: "bloodsucking parasites."

I understand the incentive purpose of the voting system, and the comment and the competition to get the poets involved, but assuming that poetry is noting but that, that we can not go beyond this level, is worst than wrong, in my opinion it is criminal!
From 2003-4 that I am the members of this site I have seen lots of improvement but the system in essence could not change. People bargain votes and comments, consciously or sub consciously. there is the thread for that for sure you have checked it out already: two for one, tree, four, five,... for the price of one. it is worst than a flea market . We also do this but in a more mature manner. We know if we do not vote them back they do not keep supporting us, at least in the long run. There is the system if you work it out, without improving your work, you can improve your rates, your ranks and so many other thing. people with no concept of poetry sometimes are blown out of proportion only because they are smart and good in playing politics.
And if you ask why the quality of poems is so low they would respond: what do you know we are in the day and age that they put a urinal in the art gallery as a master piece, I would call it a master piss.
If you are not a member of a club your poetry would not get acknowledged regardless of its quality. So every thing is politics