Boston Marathon Tragedy

^^And that is exactly why I do not trust the FOX news. They would drum beat and speculate on what life in America would be without Obama, Democrats, immigrants, welfare programs and Universal Health care, all day long.

A famous one that I distinctly remember, Obama's birth certificate was falsified. He was never born in America!

No different than some in the middle east and the mother of the Chechen killers quoted as saying "911 never happened". It is a conspiracy of the American secret service!

Facts become trustworthy when reported by people with integrity.

"Facts become trustworthy when reported by people with integrity."

I can't say I know of anyone in the media that fits this standard.. and that inlcudes Fox News.

I don't believe everything I read/hear regardless of where it comes from.

Fox reports both sides to any story. Yes they have people on that are Obama birth deniers but also have opposing views. Government media only reports as "Fox" deniers not the intelligent side of the argument denying deniers. Fox reports both sides of every important news article. It gives voice to wackos like Alan Combs. Bob Beckle, and all Obama butt kissers as well as voice to the Glen Becks. Also 50/50 is the fact that a democrat equally gets the last word in a debate. I have yet to see that kind of reporting on ANY other news outlet.
Today Tommy Brocaw said, the bombing may have been results of our using Droans , referring to collateral damge by our fighting Taliban operatives. Of course forgetting or just plain ignorant to the fact that jihad has no "collateral" damage for the fact their targets for suicide bombings are Intended for unaware citizens.(terror).
We have an administration that denies terroists for what they are. Blames atrtacks on, movies and other insulting aspects but never for what it is. Unwilling to call what is. Why is that? Is the question. Terroism is not new because of the united states....terroism has been around since the first day Mohammed picked up a sword. Also terrorism ids not just targeting the united sates....it is targeting every none supporter of islam ie...jihad.
All and every act of terrorism is only commited by one religion. News media is afraid to say that but truth hides not. All because there is a hate for people living in freedom. Freedom of choice freedom of lifes persuts bowing to no one.
Sure beats having your feet and hands cut off. Forced female circumcision, stoning for falling in love or just wanting to have fun in life. Talk about womens rights in america when 70% of th world female population is treated like animals...eh?
I live free and happy. I help others when I can. I live in a country that gives/gave me opportunity...sorry to hear that your countries don't...so keep on complaining about the United States if it tickles your butt bone I personally do not give a sh.. What backwards primitive societies think

Donald I have no idea about the names you have named here with regards to news presentations I will pressume? but..come on...I watch Fox and.. is it CNN or CNA? some american news station when I'm overseas and...really...it's bloody laughable how they fill the hours with repetitiveness...holy shit..how many times can you tell the same story but they do some how...honestly yawn..yawn yawn..do you all have the same shit fed to you? Really..I'm serious here? I really wanted to know what was happening in North Korea but suddenly our news stations were absolutely flooded with the Boston Bombings followed by that ferterliser plant exploding (which none of you seem to know about) followed by China's earthquake...do you all know about that...do you care?..Sorry..from what I've read...a lot of you don't really know what's going on outside (or inside for that matter) in your own country V the rest of the world...

They covered they fertilizer plant just not as much with the Boston news. I did know about the earthquake, that was on my morning news on radio.

Our media really doesnt give a whole lot of in depth coverage.. unless it directly involves the US. Otherwise its just a tiny blip that you wont remember because they have the next news story repeated 463637373 times in drill it into your brain. Unless you pay extra for more cable channels, I dont even have access to other news unless its online.

Its CNN.. I dont like that channel lol. The people on there annoy me.

Lol Britt. I fall asleep with CNN on every night. It's starting to annoy me too. Anderson Cooper is in like every dream I have. xD

There's just so much tragedy in the world right now. Really..all I can say is regardless of who causes it, where the news comes from, it's still upsetting, it's terrible, and my brain just automatically responds in prayer.

I couldn't give to shiznits less about who delivers the bad news.

True, the media in the TV/news media in the US mostly covers US events for hours, be it Fox or CNN. However, the CNN Int'l channel that I have watched many a times have more of Intl news, whenever I travel abroad...but certainly not as much or as in depth as the BBC. By far the best reporting is by BBC World (not BBC America).
I will continue to disagree with Fox being impartial...they specialize in brain washing viewers by giving distorted one party views. No way, I will call it impartial or balanced - this is not only my view but more than 90% of non-Republic viewers. CNN and its sister network HLN in the US may be excessively focused on domestic issues but it is not a "soap opera" or a movie or a general channel as reflected by the network abbreviation, so it will only give news and like programs.

As an independent, I will not endorse any of the US channels for worldwide coverage or highly rated.

"However, the CNN Int'l channel that I have watched many a times have more of Intl news, whenever I travel abroad...but certainly not as much or as in depth as the BBC. By far the best reporting is by BBC World (not BBC America)."

Thats the problem. With my cable, I have to pay an additional $49/month to get these channels.. and it just isn't happening lol. I have a small cable package due to cost, and news wise I get Fox, CNN, and MSNBC.. and then news in Spanish that I can't understand :P

Britt, please do not feel that I am trying to tell people here what to watch and what not to. All I am suggesting is to keep an open mind and research the news via other networks/publications before making up your mind. :)

This link (veryquiet.com) I provided earlier will be useful to all who wish to look at news from around the world from multiple sources. It is a website which gets constant live feeds/updates from the constituent periodicals/newspapers from around the world, that I happen to peruse for 10-15 mts each day. Just do not pay attention to ITN (at the bottom) as for the past 3 weeks or more it is not being updated.

There is even a way to get worldwide TV news channels and more via internet TV networks free (I would provide a link later) or inexpensively ($ 5/mth for rabbittv which claims to provide 5000 channels...if you have a newer laptop or know how to hook your computer to your TV screen you can watch them on big screen).

I understand, but it's interesting to me that you think we don't..it's like because someone watches Fox News they couldn't possibly have done their research. I was raised without politics in mind, but my Dad is Independent leaning right. My grandfather didn't discuss politics much but was a republican, the rest of my family staunch democrats. So I grew up thinking that I, too, was a democrat. Until I did my researched and involved myself in learning.. which is why I am now a strong conservative, as it aligns directly with my views (no wonder I'm the black sheep in the fam lol).

So I did keep an open mind. I did do a lot of research and thats how I formed what I did. Just because it's different from others (the majority of PnQ I'd say) doesn't mean it's wrong. :)

"but it's interesting to me that you think we don't..it's like because someone watches Fox News they couldn't possibly have done their research"

^Your statements here appear to be contradictory. Here is what you said earlier:

"I don't watch the news often, I don't find myself having much time"

"Thats the problem. With my cable, I have to pay an additional $49/month to get these channels.. and it just isn't happening lol. "

"Unless you pay extra for more cable channels, I dont even have access to other news unless its online."

and this earlier one....speculatory, very similar to FOX news, always promoting "doubts" in our mind about a decent and honest President and his policies.

"This whole Boston thing wreaks of fishiness.. SOMETHING is going on and we are being lied to."

I am sorry. But, somehow I feel I am being told that I am being condescending, when I am not. I am just helping out with resource finding and references for people who find it that we are being "lied to". I am sure Gaurav, Hellon and Noura have by now researched the Boston bombings enough to be convinced that it is not a "govt. conspiracy"...unfounded speculations, which is what brought me here in the first place to contest their unfounded theories... before this conversation turned "off topic".

And this is exactly why I din't want to get involved with this part of the conversation and why the internet misrepresents us in our expressions. So let it rest. If you are happy with FOX, I have no issue. I watch everything so my analysis of its news and political reporting on FOX is basically a channel with a "brainwashing" agenda and propaganda of the Republican Party. But, that is just my opinion from my experience, and people can always disagree. :)

I guess you missed the part where I listen to news radio each morning...? The only major news channels aside from local channels are cnn, fox and msnbc. To get the international channels you stated, I would have to pay more. I cant believe I'm actually explaining this.

Just so you know you do pretty consistently sound condescending. I sound like a jerk 99% of the time without intent. Its the internet, it happens :)

My local news channel that interrupts the country radio station that plays at work gets its news updates from the Associated Press. They report a suspect was in custody, a Saudi man, and held at the hospital. But then it wasnt him and it was these other guys, but what happened with the Saudi, who was to be deported? The one Michelle Obama visited?

Anyway, my more liberal leaning news updates on the radio tell me this.. and then fox on my drive home tells me of the Russians. Then AP backpeddles and were all confused.

POINT IS... Media causes more confusion than necessary, and makes it look fishy. Whether it's Fox, MSNBC, CNN, whoever. Everyone has to have "the first report, live!" without fact checking. There is no integrity in journalism anymore.

Boston officials (I think it was them) even issued a statement asking news to check their sources first before reporting.

"I am sure Gaurav, Hellon and Noura have by now researched the Boston bombings enough to be convinced that it is not a "govt. conspiracy"."

I for one did the researches I needed, and i'm still with the 'government conspiracy' theory.

"I live in a country that gives/gave me opportunity...sorry to hear that your countries don't...so keep on complaining about the United States if it tickles your butt bone I personally do not give a sh.."

Come on, we're sick of this. You're living your life happy and carefree at the expense of our happiness and freedom. Do you know that 80% of our oil in KSA is taken by your government? And the whole Syrian crisis is because of oil. Freedom is just for Americans, the rest of the world can go to hell, isn't that what you said?

"Sure beats having your feet and hands cut off. Forced female circumcision, stoning for falling in love or just wanting to have fun in life. Talk about womens rights in america when 70% of th world female population is treated like animals...eh?"

Really, dan?

Al Jazeera is a joke.

"I live in a country that gives/gave me opportunity...sorry to hear that your countries don't...so keep on complaining about the United States if it tickles your butt bone I personally do not give a sh.."

^ Sorry, Noura you are re-quoting someone else and then taking your anger out on me. These words just don't fit my limited vocab :)

The rest is your vent, unfortunate...take it out on Al Bashar and the infighting amongst your own people, for making your life miserable, not us. I personally or the USA is not responsible for your misery. I did give you the correct advise, when your dad passed away sadly in the hands of your own people. Please re-read it and you would know that despite all your taunts and torts in the past, I have mostly restrained myself. There is always time to learn from the losses we suffer. Here it is about Boston and it's impact on our lives and humanity. All theories are acceptable, but please support your conclusions, or else risk being criticised on speculations that do not hold even a bit of water in a debate. Your statement somehow remind me of the mother of the chechen killers Zubeidat, here...

she still believes her sons were innocent of the Boston bombings and America is to blame! "I know one thing, that my children did not do this."..

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2013/apr/23/tsarnaevs-mother-denies-marathon-bombers-video

I only wish she would be a true Muslim and step forward with a heartfelt apology to all the victims who died, those whose legs and arms were blown away/amputed, whose children were orphaned ...by the deeds of her children.
A mother, who in part was also responsible for the militant conversion of her own children, according to many.

And lastly, Al Jazeera is NOT a joke, contrary to your thoughts. In my opinion today it has evolved in to responsible reporting and could even become the BBC of the Middle East. Here is a sample article, which i know you would say was "fabricated" by the US ... unfortunately not :-

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/04/20134251651595335.html

"I am sure Gaurav, Hellon and Noura have by now researched the Boston bombings enough to be convinced that it is not a "govt. conspiracy"."

^ Still not convinced.

Not really enjoying how the US is being falsely glorified by you ALS. You are talking of a country that runs entirely on the H-1B visa. The reason why US is open to all people, is because it needs to recruit intellect from outside. Lacks intellectual wealth. All transactions are made in dollars. Which is why it can blindly print money day and night. Should the countries globally discard dollars and change the currency of transaction. US will then struggle for basic necessities. Power is a cruel mistress. Today she pleases one, and tomorrow another.

Yes, I took a necessary cheap shot. For you are making it about the US, where as I am talking about the corrupt system, repeatedly.

The middle east lacks freedom. Children die. US has freedom. Children die. I see how rewarding freedom is.

The government has been successful in bringing its citizen into submission. With the fear of terrorism, we will turn to the only resort we have, the government. Giving them a guilt free pass to save ourselves, even if it means incinerating the rest of the world.

The US does not send their troops for free. It demands in return. Its business at the end of the day. The patriotism of the soldiers gets taken an advantage of.

The middle East is about the Oil, clearly. No rocket science.

You are ruining the thread by being a hypocrite ALS. Such naive responses.

How the thread is progressing, we are going to descend into petty, personal attacks soon.

Personal attacks? Never. Nor do I subscribe to your theory of how the US runs or makes its foreign policy around "oil' and "H1B visas"! They are the easy misperceptions of someone who does not live here.

In a debate, a counter-argument is not a personal attack, but an attempt to blow the opponents theory using supporting arguments. This is a risk a debating opponent always faces when his argument is about to be "shredded". Then one should be prepared to embrace the facts and move on, not retaliate with more innuendo. So be ready for more, as you asked for it.

Here are some more news items (International papers) behind the Tsarnaev brothers agenda, which will show a) Tsarnaev brothers became radicalized, by who ? remains to be seen, b) were on a cold blooded vendetta (like the 911 conspirators) using radical religious teachings as a motivation c) Had successfully deceived both the CIA and the FBI who were warned by Kremlin about the radicalized older brother, an unusual gesture from an ex-opponent of the cold war. Despite this warning there was an intelligence failure resulting in the plot going through undetected. d) A tragedy, very similar to 911...with the agenda being to cause harm to non-believers, of immense proportions. The rest....I suspect will be out soon as the story evolves and the younger brother talks and leads materialize, but I would not want to speculate until then.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/22/tamerlan-tsarnaev-youtube-jihadist-radicalisation

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/world/father-of-boston-bombing-suspects-tamerlan-and-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-returning-to-us/story-fnddckzi-1226629648716

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22303552#

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/25/boston-bomb-suspects-new-york-city-attack

"I am sure Gaurav, Hellon and Noura have by now researched the Boston bombings enough to be convinced that it is not a "govt. conspiracy"."

^^^^

ALS...if you read my first post you will see that I said I was 'suspicious' of the events..followed by..the bombs were too unsohpistocated (IMO) to be anything other than some crude instructions downloaded from the net then..suspicious again when one brother is shot and the other has injuring which may prevent him from speaking again. That was ALL I said...nothing about a conspiracy..just my original thoughts when I heard about these bombings. My mind is still open right now to all possibilities.

Personal attacks? Never. Nor do I subscribe to your theory of how the US runs or makes its foreign policy around "oil' and "H1B visas"! They are the easy misperceptions of someone who does not live here.

^ Funny, how you know too little about America yourself. But of course, I lay no accusations without a solid ground. I may not be an American citizen. Then, how about someone who is an American born?. .a recognized personality, associated with the String field theory and known as a popularizer of Science. An american theoretical physicist, Dr. Michio Kaku. He ain't your average Joe. If he says that America produces dummies year after year. You have got to take his word. He is a god among humans. String field theory is the direct nemesis to the big bang theory proposed by Stephen Hawking

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK0Y9j_CGgM

^ Enjoy!!

In a debate, a counter-argument is not a personal attack, but an attempt to blow the opponents theory using supporting arguments. This is a risk a debating opponent always faces when his argument is about to be "shredded". Then one should be prepared to embrace the facts and move on, not retaliate with more innuendo. So be ready for more, as you asked for it.

^ I doubt that my arguments are about to be shredded. You seem desperate to win this one though.

I suspect will be out soon as the story evolves and the younger brother talks and leads materialize, but I would not want to speculate until then.

^ He could be forced at gun point, to confess something he didn't do. He could be drugged. Or even hypnotized. He could be blackmailed. His parents could be held at gun point and he could be forced to confess, or his parents would be shot dead.

The older brother was under surveillance. Meaning his calls were being tapped. The FBI knew which sites he was visiting. Too busy gulping down donuts?. .to not notice that bombing sites were being accessed? Blocking such sites on his system would take less than 5 minutes. Hands look pretty filthy to me.

Hellon::) No worries. It is the internet. So my comments are being overblown here by others. I know you have the capacity to judge and rationalize for yourself. So I am not worried. I am just helping the others to shed their hardened "second hand" anti-American attitude and paranoia about the US.

Gaurav, I am not seeking to win this argument, I am hoping that people who have so much mistaken notions about the US in general, open their minds and rationalize. Isn't that what we are supposed to do in science?...look at all the possibilities and then choose the most rational answer/method and then test and re-test your theory to be certain. Should we be drum beating unfounded theories with more speculations? That is not what a rocket scientist would want to do. At some point, there would be "take off" failure if we do not apply correct logic to our thoughts with cross checks of reality.
Great scientist were not great social characters, so your arguments using a physicists remarks would be in the minority. The US is about equal opportunity, gives everyone a fair chance regardless of race, religion, caste or creed. Being a superpower with the most resources it often gets the most blame when International crises occur. Today, we have a new breed of radical elements who preach a brand of radical Islam to young people, brainwashing them and turning them in to weapons of mass terror/destruction...to whose benefit? What is the aim of these people? Are they trying to prove that non-Islamic people need to be punished, because they are non-believers, like what happened to many countries in the midfle ages. India was the hardest hit, when the Moghul/Persian empires were expanding on that basis. The current elements want to spread fear and terror to create the same environment.

So friend, rationalize by independent thinking and not imbibing anti-Americanism from incorrect perceptions disseminated by people who thrive by spreading misinformation. It serves no constructive purpose at all and propagates only more misunderstandings.
Peace Noura and Gaurav!

EDIT: Just looked up a few video clips from Michio Kaku is an American theoretical physicist, the Henry Semat Professor of Theoretical Physics at the City College of New York, a futurist, and a communicator and popularizer of science.

Interesting guy and more of a science fiction person.

Again ALS, I am not anti-american. I am against the corrupt people with powers in their hands.

Great scientist were not great social characters, so your arguments using a physicists remarks would be in the minority.

^ A person like Michio Kaku, does not just speak as he pleases. It is observation. The world knows that the US depends on the H-1B visa. You are acting naive, either intentionally or unintentionally.

India was the hardest hit, when the Moghul/Persian empires were expanding on that basis. The current elements want to spread fear and terror to create the same environment.

^ India was hardest hit when the British in the form of East India company made the Indians citizens their slaves. Took away gold, silver, diamonds, etc in over 1500 carrier vessels. Mahmud of Ghazni looted the Somnath temple a total of 14 times. One of the richest temple back then. India was the sole exporter of diamonds until the 18th century. India's total share in the exports was 33% globally, while importing almost nothing. India reigned over 3600 years, without invading any country in the past 10,000 years. India had over 12,000 factories producing alloys. The kings and queens of Europe wore the finest clothing exported from India. The clothing material was so fine, that one could pass a 14 meter cloth through a finger ring. The school system has a total of 18 subjects including Metallurgy, astronomy, Chemistry, geography, mathematics, weaponology, etc. etc along with the scriptures, before the European education system was introduced. The cataract surgery has been present in India for the past 3000 years. Plastic surgery, present since the 16th century.

I could go on. And yes, I do not speak bluntly. There is hard proof. Documents in the British house of commons to prove it.

So friend, rationalize by independent thinking and not imbibing anti-Americanism from incorrect perceptions disseminated by people who thrive by spreading misinformation. It serves no constructive purpose at all and propagates only more misunderstandings.

^ It is wrong to live in the shadows. Brimming with fear enough to refrain from accepting the truth. Embracing the hard truth that the government is itself a terrorist body, is not easy to stomach.

Have to leave. Be back for more.

I think this conversation is now getting ridiculous and way "off topic". If we had kept it to Boston and associated issues (911), it may have been meaningful.

I am sorry, Gaurav. Your knowledge is admirable, but you are flying wild in all directions when I challenged your Boston and 911 theory. So, I have to leave this thread to others for now.

I am sorry, Gaurav. Your knowledge is admirable, but you are flying wildly in all directions when I challenged your Boston and 911 theory. So, I have to leave this thread to others for now.

^
Correcting someone, isn't going off topic.

But yes, you came up with a good excuse for an exit. I was on the topic of corrupt government systems, and you were making it about America. We were running parallel from the start.

I think instead of letting it go you have taken it too personally, when you say that you are "correcting someone". I am not sure what you are correcting, but the thread title is the Boston marathon tragedy. Are you, or am I spreading misinformation by going tangential and criticizing everything and everybody in a thread of condolence and concern about radicalism.

Please let it go.

I think instead of letting it go you have taken it too personally,

^ Doubt it. I think you have taken it personally. Just because I am not convinced by the information from your end.

when you say that you are "correcting someone". I am not sure what you are correcting

^ correcting your part about India being hit hard by the Mughals. It was the government and the British that robbed India. Incomplete knowledge usually manifests itself into a radically different truth, ruining the foundation.

Are you, or am I spreading misinformation by going tangential and criticizing everything and everybody in a thread of condolence and concern about radicalism.

^ Doubt that I am spreading misinformation. I provided valid points about the corrupt government and you made it about the US, stuck to your guns about the country being blessed. You had very little ground to stand on. Not to mention giving the government a clean sheet. You made it personal, not me bro. Don't let sentiments blur your intellect, when it is needed the most. You are clearly shaken by the recent incidents. This is not your best game. So lets not stretch this any further. We'll get back to it later, when you are in a better state of mind, to judge intellectually and not sentimentally.

ALS...I note that not many Americans have joined this conversation to back you up in your quest to defend your country and...I'm wondering why? Would you know why...I'm really curious?

Most impressed that even Britt, who I know to be a diehard patriotic American, feels that it is unwise to place blind faith in her country's government and its media. It is just as unhealthy as automatically jumping to a conspiracy theory.

Feeling smug about your knowledge and its sources can be a dangerous thing. I find it fascinating to talk to conspiracy theorists, not because I think they are necessarily more accurate or smarter, but simply because it encourages me to think outside the box that my usual world provides for me.

It's always been ego, wealth and power as the cause, and religion as the excuse.

Too many blatant lies and inconsistencies.. dont get me started on the bias of the media. You hear overreaction to gun crimes (fake ones... kids using their fingers as a 'gun' playing cowboys now gets you suspended) but not a drop about Kermit Gosnell. Its sad.

Hellon: Pehaps, sometimes remaining quiet is the best way for Americans, until attacked directly.

Gaurav: Please refrain from personally directed comments. Only refer to statement criticisms.

Loudmouthing unfounded theories and lecturing us on "The middle East is about the Oil, clearly. No rocket science", "a country that runs entirely on the H-1B visa", or "The US does not send their troops for free. It demands in return. Its business at the end of the day"
is serious confabulations, only shows your ignorance for America and its policies today.
This type of "cheap" talk is pretty common in the middle east, and the Indian subcontinent and does not need a rebuttal.

Dear Abby: "It's always been ego, wealth and power as the cause, and religion as the excuse"

^You couldn't be serious! You forgot s**! ;)

Loudmouthing unfounded theories

^ unfounded theories? ..Quite clearly your ignorance about the world outside of your borders, is pretty apparent. I have mentioned, that I do not accuse or post data without a good evidence. Now, if you still want to continue. Then how about a 50 minute video lecture on the American Empire, presented at the world social forums by a social activist and an author, a winner of Man Booker prize for fiction and Sydney peace prize award?. .or would you like me to post an analysis mentioning how over 20 million people suffer from depression every year in the US? Or that 1 out of 3 marriages end in divorce?. .or would you like me to post about 1 in 28 US kids having a parent in prison? I can provide links to articles and videos if you'd like?

We'd resort to anything to defend our own. Won't we?

This type of "cheap" talk is pretty common

^ Cheap?. . . . .or obvious?

This type of "cheap" talk is pretty common in the middle east, and the Indian subcontinent and does not need a rebuttal.

^ If I cannot know about America without having been there, even though I am right on the target for the most part. How could you know about the talks of 2 different regions without having been there? . . You have become that, what you once opposed.
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ALS: The reason I was directly persuaded that it's a government conspiracy is because it's not the first time something like this happens. It always starts with a bomb, then a country in the middle east is invaded. Yes, the American government is fighting terrorism by occupying nations that are Islamic, underdeveloped and rich in oil. Now that Bashar al Asad has grown stronger after the Syrian crisis, I wonder how your government will save its economy and war factories. I know you'll use exclamation marks again and refuse to think that your government is involved in all of this, and that's why I won't bother elaborate.

"This is a risk a debator always faces when one's argument is about to be "shredded". Then one should be prepared to embrace the facts and move on, not retaliate with more innuendo."

I think you should start to accept embracing the facts and moving on, yourself, because the links you're providing us are actually far from facts.

PS. My father (though I don't really have to explain that, and I don't know why you brought it up) wasn't murdered by my "own people". He had been threatened for over a year and was sniped by an outsider who doesn't have a Syrian nationality. I suggest you stop assuming things and presenting them as facts when they're not.

To Gaurav: A partly humorous rejoinder (you forced me to...I had no particular desire to):

Aha! The American imperialist empire! There are books, shows, Al Jazeera broadcasts and even Canadian comedy show series (4 part) that have been made on these. You are not the only one coming out with conspiracy theories and "America bashing". Many share your views around the world and are equally "cocky" about what they profess to know about America. Here are the statistics:
In a 2008 global poll of 16,063 people in 17 countries, majorities in only 9/17 countries surveyed believed that Al Qaeda was behind the attacks. 46% believed al-Qaeda was responsible for the attacks, 15% believed the U.S. government was responsible, 7% believed Israel was and another 7% believed some other perpetrator, other than al-Qaeda, was responsible. The poll found that respondents in the Middle East were especially likely to name a perpetrator other than al-Qaeda.

Therefore your views of the Boston tragedy and 911 come to me as no surprise...you are not the only one...your thoughts are shared by a lot of people you live amongst. There are many theories of 911 conspiracies (all on Wiki), many websites and 1/2 dozen films on it! After all America bashing is a favorite past time! We who live here are people belonging to an immoral, degenerate, drug, alcohol, pop and p****culture.

Despite your wild talk and a frankly anti-American stance, despite what you may say, can you guess which country has the highest # of Nobel Laureates (338/853 awarded since 1901, 3 times that of any other country)? None of these were H1B's or "oil moguls"! Do you really know which country provides the most aid to the United Nations programs (health, charity, economic, children's etc), the biggest donor to the world's poverty ridden nations and people? Which country races to help most when crises (famine, refugee, or natural disasters strike? Which country has the most charitable individuals/organizations and champions the most philanthropy in the world (I hope you don't believe it is the oil rich Sheikhdom or kingdoms of the middle East!). Did you ever realize which country is the #1 dream country to come to live and work for people from all over the world? The American dream!
So my question to you, why do you have to embark on a propaganda to demonize and vitriolize a country and its people whose larger aim has always been and remains World Peace ?
I sincerely hope you give up this anti-American/anti-Western anti-establishment paranoia that would lead you nowhere. Your talk reminds me of 3 others who were regulars at America bashing, but have since absconded.

Noura: I have nothing to say to you in response. I wish not to antagonize a 17yr old, but yet you jump in everytime with salvo's directed against me. So go in Peace and try to sort your life out in King Bashar's kingdom, who has been responsible for 70,000 deaths, millions of refugees in neighboring states, and hundreds of thousands orphaned, since he started his brutal campaign to retake power. Couldn't he simply have stepped down and offered to conduct a democratic election instead of conducting a war wth dissidents?

You sound like Donald now...maybe you are Donald???

Nah Hellon, Donald is conservative. ALS isn't.

*Edit...forget it..

Sometimes a counter-offensive with humor helps people to understand the others point of view better :)

By the way has anyone noticed how many "peace seeking" Muslim members of PnQ have come forward to denounce or eulogize the Boston tragedy since the facts were reveled. Exactly Zero. There are many here. Even Kabul residents were touched and sent their condolences.
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/20/17839134-to-boston-from-kabul-with-love?lite

By not coming forth to denounce a heinous act, just propagates "Islamophobia" further, just like what is now what some of my colleagues at work are commenting.

Here is an article which might answer why Americans and the NATO peacekeepers are still needed in many of these countries, but time is running out on them with the 2014 mandate to pack up their bags. This might also answer the qn of a young lady with "fire" in her blood about these Peacekeeping forces are still there today in these strife torn parts.
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/06/17586561-we-have-to-go-afghans-ready-to-flee-country-as-foreign-troops-withdraw?lite
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Wonder why the mods did not send their sympathies to Boston either (minus 1) in their beloved PnQ eulogy thread, beats me! They like to take a hike when tempers flare and hide in the shadows until someone makes a fatal mistake, then down comes the axe. :)

What was the point of bringing the mods into this? Its not like theyre posting excessively on every thread but this one.

A partly humorous rejoinder (you forced me to...I had no particular desire to):

^ And yet, here we are. Funny how things work out, eh?

We who live here are people belonging to an immoral, degenerate, drug, alcohol, pop and p****culture.

^ So long as you confess it.

Did you ever realize which country is the #1 dream country to come to live and work for people from all over the world? The American dream!
So my question to you, why do you have to embark on a propaganda to demonize and vitriolize a country and its people whose larger aim has always been and remains World Peace ?

^ The American dream? . .do we really want to go down that road?. .I am in no mood to drag down America on this thread. For I am not against it. I am against the misuse of power.

Still, nice to know that you are a blind patriot. Hypocritical for the most part. No harm done.

I sincerely hope you give up this anti-American/anti-Western anti-establishment paranoia that would lead you nowhere.

^ Mistaken you are. I am not anti-western. I am anti-corruption. I could speak a great deal about the good side of America. Even in world recession America will be able to provide basic necessities to its citizen. I'll leave it up to you, to find out how. It has nothing to do with war this time.

ALS you are seriously losing it. Instead of letting sentiments get the best of you why not analyse the obvious implications of the world?. .A person cannot see his own face. He must use a mirror or ask another. How we are treated is a reflection of ourselves. Criticism could very well be valid here.

^^Britt, why are you defending them? You are no longer a mod. Let them come out if they wish to. My point is that if many members and mods had given a bit of their moral weight to the masses of Americans and Western world eulogizing this incident today, these wild anti-American/anti-Peace rambunctious intrusions and theories by a minority would not have ruined this thread.
I came out because I felt offended by the totally anti-American sentiments of a few here, who keep saying that they have sympathies, but in reality keep putting out anti-American vitriol, like a double edged sword.

Gaurav: Guess, you want me to keep responding to you. So be it. I will be back with a logical response to your illogical theories. But, if you will like to read a more plausible theory of why Boston happened, read these 2 articles:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/04/28/boston-bombings-sunni-salafi-russia/2118901/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+UsatodaycomWorld-TopStories+%28News+-+World+-+Top+Stories%29

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1760670/Russia-heard-US-bomb-suspect-jihad-call-Officials

Actually I'm doing the quite opposite. The mods dont frequently post on the boards. They made read them, may not, I have no idea. But they certainly dont seem actively participating in threads like they used to. So it baffles me why their condolences matter.. PnQ will always be a place of debate on these boards, they have for the 8 years Ive been around. Your word is not the end all tell all. Others have opinions too, and for you to try and stifle them is pointless, whether I agree with them all or not.

I will be back with a logical response to your illogical theories

^ Illogical theories?. .or do you fail to see the logic in these theories?..

No need to boil up brother. Here I am, super calm. And there you are on a condescending rampage.