The Cleveland House of Horror!

...think I got the spelling right this time haha!!!

Anyone got thoughts on this? I can't imagine myself being chained for 10 long years...surely there must have been some opportunity to escape in that time frame?

There may not have been. They said the girls had multiple captors, so when they needed something, someone would leave, someone would watch them, perhaps. I know this is a bit insensitive, but I can see one of them writing a book. Jaycee Lee Dugard did. I'd buy it.

Also, you have to factor in the fact that these girls were/are traumatized. If they had that window of opportunity, I'm sure their minds were racing with "What if he comes back right as I escape and hurts/kills me." "What if him leaving was a test/set-up to see if I'd listen to him."

Just my thoughts.

"I'm sure their minds were racing with "What if he comes back right as I escape and hurts/kills me." "What if him leaving was a test/set-up to see if I'd listen to him.""

I agree with this. Being in a scary and abusive situation, sometimes you just don't think right.. we'd hope that any ounce of opportunity would be taken, but at the same time.. you are still terrified of these people. I can't even imagine what it would be like to go through this. My heart goes out to them.

One of the brothers who held them captive also helped "look" for them.. what a disgusting freak on a serious power trip. That just makes me so sick to my stomach.

Very scary and very sad, but I'm happy they were finally rescued and alive. It's so often we hear of someone finding a body..

Disgusting man with an animal brain. Amazed that people like him exist. He deserves the death penalty, no less. Perhaps the other prisoners in the lock up will get him first.

Amazed that people like him exist

^^^

I'm not amazed because ...it's happened before. I'm still amazed that not one of the three tried to escape before they did?

Well, we don't know if any of them actually tried to. Someone could've tried over the 10 years. But factor in the fact that they could've been held at knife/gunpoint, they were traumatized, and there was probably a very small window of opportunity.

Tried? Maybe, maybe not, or planned some kind of escape, but then again, maybe just waited, lost hope or something. Ten years? that's a long period of time, I do believe, highly probably, they did something at one point, its hard to think they didn't, and dont get me wrong, its really silly not to, well unless bombs are attached to their bodies and will detonate if they made sudden movements. But then again, they can still disregard the danger and still make efforts if they really want to escape, like "I don't care no more, live or die trying" kinda attitude, philosophy or something.
... But eh, thats just my thoughts on stuff, not really well informed bout all this. Really sad though, what happened.

"I don't care no more, live or die trying"

I don't think they had that mentality at all. Maybe men do, but most girls don't. Especially Amanda - who had a child. It's all about survival. If I was in that situation, I would wait until I KNEW I had a window of opportunity to go. I wouldn't risk my life, or these girls whom I've been with for years, or my child.

Well, like I said, just my thoughts, and I really think its not a man/woman stuff, that attitude, mentality that I mentioned. Anyways, you mentioned she has a child, wouldn't that be some kind of a, yknow, extra determination thing to see her kid again? Surely in that ten years she had "Whatll happen to my child if I dont get out of here?" thoughts. Ten years, thats a lot of time thinking and wanting to see her child, Im sure. So, I do believe that at some point she may have had that "live or die trying" thing going on her head.

It's sad to say this is the world we live in
Joseph Fritzil did the same for 20 odd years
None of us could ever try to imagine what
It was like because reality is far more
Sadistic and frightening .

This is why people are scared to let there loved
One out of there sight , from pedos , murders
, rapist to kidnappers this Is what society is and
Always has been. I would hate to see the percentage
Of horrible people to genuine nice people, from your
Freinds , to work to family ... You really never know
What happens behind close doors.

If you haven't been in an abusive situation, it's hard to begin to imagine why they wouldn't have tried to escape.

They get into your head, and on this level is so much more than I experienced, I couldn't imagine. Your spirit would just be absolutely broken.

Especially for the woman with the child. That probably gave her the extra push to find the McDonalds eating man (haha, I love that guy) and do what she did. These women had to of lived in absolute fear constantly.

That black dude with the McDonald's bit - I died. It was hilarious. He was being serious but totally cracked me up.

Generally, it is a man/woman mentality thing. Men are stronger than girls. These girls, I'm sure were terrified. And she didn't have to escape to see her kid. She had a child in captivity. That's what I was trying to say. She'd have to figure out a way to free herself and her child at the same time. This is almost sounding like blaming them for not escaping - which is stupid. Being a victim of an abusive relationship, I understand not being able to leave - and this for them was magnified hundreds. I doubt they wanted to die to escape. They wanted to live, and she wanted to make sure her daughter lived too. Instead of criticizing and questioning, how about we praise her for finally having the opportunity and taking it?

Nah, I think this is not a blaming thing Linda. I think these are just questions, whys and what ifs and all that. The reason I think for these questions is the the time frame. If its just for a day, the question of why didnt they tried wouldnt surface.
And lol. Sorry bout misunderstanding the kid thing, I told you I know little bout this, anyhow, the extra push would still be there cause its not her own life shes thinking of. How old is the kid? If the kid is really young, I do believe she knows the kid definitely needs to get out of there even if its her own lifes at stake.
... About the man/woman thing. Stronger, you mean physical? Its not all about strenght, though it is a factor.

1. They were held by DANGEROUS men. They were kidnapped, brutalized, and repeatedly raped. They did not want to be hurt further. I'm sure the thoughts running through their minds were "What happen if I get caught?" if they escaped.

2. They had multiple (meaning more than one) captors. I doubt they were left alone for a certain amount of time. One was always there to keep an eye on them. Nobody kidnaps people and then is like "Oh, I'll leave you alone here."

3. If you didn't know, they were also, at times, chained up.

4. The mother of that child (who regardless if it was a rape baby, obviously loves her daughter) did not want to risk her daughter's life until she knew she had the perfect window of opportunity to escape and get help.

5. There's also the possibility of Stockholm's syndrome here.

6. Man/woman thing - men are stronger than women in every area except for a few exceptions. It's not anti-feminist. It's truth.

Ok.
So, tenth year was the fortunate year I guess. Not sure its the right word, fortunate, but Im sure you know what I mean.

Yeah, not really.

Linda, I think the final conclusion from the interviews was that it was only 1 man, Ariel Castro, the school bus driver who was fired recently from his job. His daughters visited him at his home but could not detect the abuse, now only in hindsight. Nor could any others.

A woman I overheard was wondering why they could not gang up on him at his weak moment in 10 years, or chop his "p****" with a knife, like a lady did out of jealousy here in CA sometime ago?
I think, they were so intimidated by him, that they fell powerless and afraid. A meek outer person to others, but an "animal" by all means.
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That "McDonald's eating man" ...unfortunately is not as much of a hero as we thought 4-5 days ago, apparently he was not the one who kicked the door open as he claimed, but another person who din't want the limelight it seems. Also, Charles Ramsey...seems to have a bit of tainted history himself...
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/cleveland-hero-charles-ramsey-8702415
It seems McDonald's marketing opportunity using Mr. Ramsey is turning a bit sour. :(