Vaginal Knitting???

Spock
"On the contrary Captain,
the female Organismis
merely acting out a desire
"to pull the wool over our eyes"!

Scotty
I bet she can whistle Dixie and drink
a pint at the same time! Skoal!

OMG...I'm glad I got the chance to read this because...I have the feeling it may be moderated out??? I find this extremely humorous and, therefore, a form of art in it's own right but...I have the notion some may disagree?

I'm a pitcher, not a catcher!
When in doubt, ___ then
throw them a curve!

So Hellon is there a line you would draw as to whats permissible and whats not

would you be happy if your 8 year old child walked around using the word cunt at school or the local supermarket or wherever, did you allow your children to use such language ?

or the same child go to the local art gallery and watch a couple having cunnilingus in the name of art

Note i could have used any age it could have been 6 or 10 or whatever

No Nicko...my children were not allowed to use that word because it had already been implanted in my mind at an early age that it was vulgar and not an acceptable word to use. When I watched this extract I was just questioning why and when did this word become 'naughty'in our society when vagina is acceptable. Both words are in the dictionary...both have the same meaning.

Regarding your other question...I would hope that an under aged child would not be allowed to enter a gallery exhibiting performances that are considered to have adult themes.

But in the name of art isn't everything permissible...?? isn't it natural to your way of thinking?

Though reading its history the word IS much maligned.......

I'm just trying to think outside the box right now. I've already said that the vaginal knitting clip surprised me but didn't gross me out as it did others and then, with the Reclaiming C*** I realised that I was open minded about one thing and closed to the other...both performances are considered art I guess..the second did shock me more and I was just questioning why...it's just a word after all.

Dear Sincuna, those words are very mature and sincere TAKE-s from the meaning of art, but even though they all are true, they are not complete descriptions.
For me Art is the aesthetic and emotional cognition of the universe. It is a reflection and it is creative: it is the recreation of the world in our aesthetic and emotional consciousness; if it is not creative, it is not art!! So creating art only and only is a re-reflection of the universe from the psyche of a TALENT.
Being expressive, or powerful, or brave or..., all are the secondary condition of the art and very personal. But being secondary does not lower their values and importance. A work could be, not very much, expressive and still be art, but lots of our acts or endeavors, no matter how expressive, they could very much, be excluded from the nature of art. (Every walnut is round but not every round thing is walnut) with the exemption in this example: there might be some un-rounded walnut also.

Dear Chelsey I totally agree with everything you say, all for it. But even though I am a firm believer of fidelity I do not think covering our privet parts from others makes that much difference. In my culture they say every thing happens under the Hijab. The infidel people very often use the cover to hide behind. Covering up is the very characteristic act of those who cheat, they use cover as the mask ( not all of them, they are the majority of people who cover themselves for decent purpose) You could also use covering and dressing to expose your nudity. Sometimes by exposing few arias one could be hundred times more sexually explicit and expressive, then being total naked and after hide behind the fact that she is not total naked.

Dear Niko you can not win an argument by scaring us with axe. There are a lots of controversy regarding the notion of art in the post modernism and fine art. people present Urinal as their "piece" they do not even bother to paint it or even to modify it. It goes straight from the toilet, or retail store to the art galleries. I saw so many fine artists that their works do not make sense to me, including my own sister and her boyfriend in England. Yet there were times that people had the same feelings about Cubism or Surrealism, Rock and Roll and so on, so time would show.

"Is it art? who knows what art really is anymore. I've seen a blank canvas in a gallery."

I love my mel omg <3

This on the other hand...oh my my my my my my

yacking yacky is speechless... I can not.

I admire her bravery though. I' am far too ashamed of my own body to ever pull off something like that

Ddavidd i'm not trying to win any argument merely expressing my opinion, ~smiles~ maybe you didn't understand my words ~smiles~ In this world, certainly in the west we are too concerned with appeasing the bleeding hearts, Most are craving their 15 minutes of fame and will go to any extreme to achieve it. Calling something art is a cheap shot at doing it. Some pot smoking demented twit might call what she is doing art but it's not, I just think she has some attention seeking disorder

~smiles~

Please, Nicko. Never again! :p

Hahahaha

couldn't resist.........

I see you two have hold on to the old tradition of DodgeBall in this site.
Really Niko what couldn't you resist?? to smile (laugh) at me??
""i'm not trying to win any argument ""
what is wrong with you guys and intonation reading?? you have abby over there she could give you some lesson on this fine art than you do not assume, instead, that there are others, who do not understand you:
""maybe you didn't understand my words""
do you really think you have said anything hard to understand?? haha are you inflating your muscle in the mirror again? I do not see any definition on the bicep of you conceptulation ~smile~ maybe you are way over my head, that is way you can not resist laughing at me.~smile~ Maybe that axe have something to do with it.~ smile~
But go on try to hit me with ball again, it doesn't hold any threat for me.

So let look at the style of your argument now. You just keep on axing the same buzzword on and on one way road, you never get involve with any thing conceptual or dip into the depth of the meaning of art~~ or any subject,~ smile~~ and why, she dose not fit that criteria. You just discuss with few emotional slogan. this is the reason behind my axe jock my good old friend. otherwise I might even agree with you.~~ smile~~

I've been thinking a lot about both of these links I've posted and..I said yesterday that the Reclaiming C*** <<< (Colm take note haha) made me feel more uncomfortable than the Vaginal Knitting simply because it's a word that, for some reason, has become vulgar and inappropriate. When I made the second post I did blank the offending word out at first and then I realised that the whole point of this extract was to claim the word back and if I didn't use it I was denying the whole performance....hope this makes sense so far?

Anyway...and I will admit that I'm going way out of my depth now but...in the name of art...I don't mind...can I throw the word aesthetics in the ring right now? I'm not sure if either performer falls into this category but...I'm wondering if...perhaps those of us who were not particularly shocked by either maybe think this way while others don't? Just a thought :)

Ddavidd

Man that did make me smile dude, dang my phone doesn't have any of those little do happies
But cobber there isn't anything conceptual about this it's all as plain as the nose on ya face, blunt as a robbers dog.. She's written it in highlighter and you're all digging for something that just anin't there

Glad to have been of service my mate!!

The tangents here are fascinating. My two cents:

The entire comedic thrust of Lenny Bruce was to desensitize words by repetition. It didn't work for one reason: people want scapegoats.

People need something that has the power to take emotions and expel them forcefully in a single breath.

A scapegoat was typically covered with scrolls on which were written the problems of a community & then driven into the wild in an attempt to expiate the ills of the community. Similarly, the force of a taboo word or gesture gives a person the power to express their inner anger and frustration. If a given word loses its power to shock some other word will arise to take its place.

The c-word, and the b-word, are not acceptable because they are used to explicitly demean the person (woman) to whom they are directed. They are dehumanizing in their very nature. Why should they be reclaimed, when at the best they are deprecating?

Interestingly in our neck of the woods, NZ and Australia the C-word is more directed at males (or an object) as a way to demean and express frustration........

Louis CK thinks C*** as a delicious word. He doesn't even use it to demean a person, he just likes the sound of it because it seems crunchy and creamy on the inside.

and on the different note, when we put sensors such as the asterisk * or call them the c-word or b-word or n-word, don't we still know what we're talking about? The speaker isn't directly saying the word but the listener definitely says it in their head.

The speaker isn't directly saying the word but the listener definitely says it in their head

^^^

Exactly...like swearing on the inside and pretending you didn't haha!!!

During the Supreme Court hearing on a first amendment right to wear the F-Word on a shirt, the Warren Burger insisted the counsels not say it, but only say: "the F-word."
I always thought it to be hilarious.

"Interestingly in our neck of the woods, NZ and Australia the C-word is more directed at males (or an object) as a way to demean and express frustration........"

This is going off topic, but:

Why do you think they use a word about the female anatomy to demean men? When men are called "C***s" or "B*****s" or "Pu****s," it's insulting to them because they are considering it an insult to be compared to a woman. It implies that women are weaker and lesser, and you wouldn't want to be equated with one. Calling a guy a "dick" doesn't have the same demeaning connotations.

It's all still rooted in sexist perspectives, whether it's intended that way or not.

That is all! I have no interest in watching yarn come out of someone's vag tonight. Maybe tomorrow.

^ Maybe tomorrow. lmfao.

I never noticed that sexual demeaning before. What the hell? That insults me as a woman now... My anatomy is tough! I'll kick some ass. .I have caught myself calling a man a d*** a few times though. Seemed more like a learned behavior than something logical. I just know it as insulting so I use it as insulting.

Really trying to clean my mouth up now. If this thread taught me anything, its no never use the reproductive parts as a bad name.
It doesnt even make sense....Like most curse words.

What a delivering topic!

^ "I never noticed that sexual demeaning before."

Are you joking? Have you never noticed the worst insults to a man center on his mother?
MF, Son of a B, Bastard

It is not all that true, We say things without thinking them all through: What about d... head, d..face, you are a d...!!??

None of them carry the sheer weight of "your mother . . . "
We might say these other things to a friend, but not the mother insults

I did notice the mother because my mom once said "why is it always about the mother?"

I honestly dont think I keyed in on all the female organs being tossed around where as we rarely hear 'd***'. . like I said, its something that I hear all the time starting from middle school. People have bad mouths around here. I never questioned it before. Thats terrible.

Dear Larry it was in regard to siby's post we almost posted together I did not get to read yous then.

coming to think of it I think Mother... is more attacking to your root it is like calling people bastard, radder than a sexist remark. Though this even makes it worth.
Even we still have residues of the patriarchy and sexism in our cultures but it is not a good scholarship ethic to be frumpish finding the traces.

Ohh Chelsey girl. You crack me up!

My objective style thinking lead me to one important point:

It must be very comforting for the open minded owner of her product to know that their piece of knit-ware has undergone such an intimate process.

"I honestly dont think I keyed in on all the female organs being tossed around where as we rarely hear 'd***'"

which organs?? maybe English being my second language has something to do with it: I do not see anything rather than: "C***s" or "Pu****s," being tossed around. Is it more demeaning to have more name for genitalia in woman than man?? O okay I got that it is more demeaning because everyone, man and woman are more obsessed with that part of woman anatomy.
Edited: Before I forget, what about "A**" words, are them sexist as well? Are man "A**" less in this sexist world?? Or is it fair to say that people use anything in the realm of " down there in underwear" to demean one another??

Edited: I think these are all as the result of ineffective deduction and thinking. haha our minds only pendulate in a short trips between cliches and generalization and don't bother with the long and expensive Rocky Road ((Haagen-doze)) to the tasteful real meaning.

Ok, well not organs, but just didnt notice how most insults are about women, yet directed towards men....

Regardless, if I want to insult someone I'll go back to saying they have 'cooties'. haha

except for britt...we call each other a**holes a lot...cant break that tradition :P lmao

Hi Antithesis long time no see.
Do you remember me, the old buddy Syntheses??

As far as insulting men, by calling them woman, the reason is different than what you think. Referring to a man as a women is demeaning not because being a women is demeaning but because for a man being a woman means compromising his very existence as a man. It mean he is queer and incompetent to stand as a man(mostly sexually). For a woman however, she dose not need to stand as a man so having a C*** or P*** dose not compromises her reason, it is, the reason of her vibrance and pride in the confine of her own gender
I do not deny that there are lots of gender bashing in the fashion of our scurrilousness; every species of gender by the means of ego and self center-ness would like to think they are superior to the opposite. And for the reason of patriarchy, until recently, men were doing it predominantly, but things are pivoting on opposite direction slowly. Even though I do not think we are going to have another full-fledged matriarchy again in future, but we already are, and are going to, see some more tendencies.