In the memory of:

  • Michael D Nalley
    10 years ago

    Http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/israelgaza-conflict-the-secret-report-that-helps-israelis-to-hide-facts-9630765.html

  • Sunshine
    10 years ago

    Hellon in Lebanon and other countries, people are showing huge support, on streets on social media on facebook, different campaigns are held in support of Gaza. From youngesters to older people. There is high awareness toward Gaza and Palestine. We are all keeping an eye.

    as for Saudi Arabia, it has always been an ally for USA. SAUDI arabia is the mother of terrorism and those extremists who have been killing and slaughtering people in Syria and around the world, other than bombing us here in Lebanon. The gulf region in general was never against USA's will.

    Egypt after Jamal Abed elNasers death and with Anwar Al Sadat always been trying to make peace with Israel in favor of its sake. Not like they care. They can open Rafah closed doors to aid the palestinains but they won't.

    I know Israel respects Hezzbollah as an enemy for not conspiracing against its people more than they pay respect for its allies in the Arab world.

    and by respect I do not mean love or cooperation.

  • Hellon
    10 years ago

    Nana...doesn't Saudi Arabia have many refugees from Palestine???

  • Sunshine
    10 years ago

    You mean for ?

  • Hellon
    10 years ago

    Er...I mean..are there Palestinian refugees living there....I don't mean from this flair up...previously?

  • Abed
    10 years ago

    "and by respect I do not mean love or cooperation."

    ^ :P :P :P :P

    -

    Yes yes it's a shame that Egypt isn't doing anything. bit*hes to say at least. KSA & gulf countries & Jordan, too. Those governments should rot in hell. However, the people aren't with their governments. That's why the revolutions are there.

    I always look for the day the 21 Arab countries unite to not just offer sanctuary to the Palestinians. But also to fight Israel, Military-wise. It will take a looong time. But it will happen.

  • Sunshine
    10 years ago

    Despite what you meant.
    Palestinians were displaced out of their homeland, there are millions of them around the world. In saudi arabia in syria in qatar in usa in lebanon is britain etc
    They are everywhere, except for those who are bisieged in Gaza. I repeat, biseiged! Saudi Arabia did nothing really handy for the Palestinians. They are living as and called " refuggee" all around. They cant close doors infront of them, no body may do that.

    By the mean time, the planes striking Gaza are oiled by Saudi Arabia. It's a chain. Saudi Arabia can do something but they wont. They can do a lot but they do not have really benefits by doing so.

  • Sunshine
    10 years ago

    Double post*

    Well said Abed

  • Sunshine
    10 years ago

    Http://quds-day.com/index.php/component/k2/item/259-gaza-s-message-to-israel-the-more-you-kill-and-destroy-us-the-stronger-we-become

    Gaza's message to Israel, the more you kill and destroy us, the stronger we become

    AFTER more than two weeks of relentless violence that has cost more than 600 Palestinian lives and thousands of wounded, it is becoming increasingly clear that Israel's savage assault on the Gaza Strip has not been successful even on its own terms. Day after day the rockets keep coming out of Gaza, and civilian air liners are now refusing to land at Tel Aviv.
    Tens of thousands of Gazans have been driven from their homes. Yet there is no sign of any popular rebellion against Hamas or the other armed organizations. Nor does there appear to have been any pressure on Hamas to accept the fraudulent ceasefire that Blair, Sisi and Kerry attempted to impose last week, which would have left Gaza still under the same economic siege that has been in place ever since its population made the mistake in 2006 of voting for a government that Israel and the West didn't approve of.
    On the contrary, Israel's vicious assault appears to have hardened the determination of Gazans to resist. On Sunday Israel killed more than one hundred Palestinians, most of whom died in the horrendous fighting in Shuj' aia district, but that day it also lost 14 soldiers, Israel's bloodiest day since the 2006 war in Lebanon.
    No one who has ever been to Gaza will be surprised by this. Gazans have been resisting Israel for a long time. In the 1980s I worked there for two summers as a volunteer English teacher. I saw the large pool of sewage at Jabalya refugee camp, where most of the male population was rounded up by the victorious Israeli army in 1967 and forced to sit up to their waists and necks for hours in a sign of subjugation before their conquerors. I saw the wide avenues in the refugee camps known as 'Sharon's boulevards', where Ariel Sharon bulldozed some 16,000 houses in 1970 during counterinsurgency operations against the post-occupation resistance.
    I met Palestinian men and women who had spent years in Israeli jails for nationalist activity, including a former fedayaat who described a strike at the womens' prison where the IDF poured tear gas into their cells, Most of these activists belonged to Fatah or leftist Palestinian groups. Hamas didn't exist then, and the only Islamist organization in Gaza was the Muslim Brotherhood, which was operating with the de facto protection of the Israeli army, in an attempt to foster divisions amongs the Palestinian nationalist movement.
    These efforts eventually backfired during the first Intifada, when the Muslim Brotherhood organization in Gaza and the West Bank produced Hamas. Given this history, it is entirely natural that Gazans should have refused to give in to the vicious eight year siege imposed by Israel with the utterly cynical support of the 'international community' and the 'Quartet' and its malevolent peace envoy - a siege that was intended to force the population to reject Hamas.
    And whatever criticisms Gazans may have of Hamas, it is difficult to imagine that Israeli bombs are going to make them reject it now. Israel, of course, has its own explanations for this defiance. Back in the 80s Gaza was often portrayed in Israel as a savage and barbaric place, where you were likely to get your throat cut if you went anywhere near it. Today Gaza is often described as an irrational or even mad place, whose population is fatally trapped in a culture of martyrdom and hatred, or languishing under the dictatorship of Hamas 'terrorists'.
    In an interview with CNN on Sunday the despicable Benjamin Netanyahu once again accused Hamas of deliberately using 'human shields' because 'They want to pile up as many civilian dead as they can. They use telegenically dead Palestinians for their cause. They want the more dead, the better.' In another interview with the BBC's Arabic Department the same day, Netanyahu declared: 'Israel regrets every injury to civilians. I call on the residents of Gaza, don't stay there, Hamas wants you to die, we want you to be safe.'
    Netanyahu is lying and the people of Gaza know he is lying. They know they are being killed and terrorized because Israel wants to kill and terrorize them. They know that Israel's strategy in this war, as in so many others, is based on inflicting suffering on the civilian population in order to turn it against Israel's armed opponents. This strategy failed in Lebanon in 2006 and it will fail in Gaza. Because it is becoming increasingly clear that Gazans will not go back to the siege and the pre-war status quo, and that they will endure almost anything to avoid this. They are fighting and dying because they want to breathe and become part of the world again. As Sarah Ali, a Palestinian woman from Jabalya refugee camp, wrote last week:
    ' This is not about destroying Hamas; this is about destroying every Palestinian in Gaza, destroying our lives, crushing our dignity and morale. Let it be known to (Israel) that the more they kill and destroy, the stronger we become. We have nothing left to lose. Now I would rather die with my family under the rubble of our house than have a humiliating truce. No justice, no peace.'
    Despite the enormous odds against them, the Gazans are winning this war. Of course they can't win it militarily; no one doubts that Israel has the ability to obliterate the Gaza Strip with its British and US-funded weaponry. But wars are not only decided by military hardware or even by battles, but by long-term shifts in attitudes, political positions and sympathies. And on this front, Israel is clearly losing. Even journalists who have gone to Gaza primed with narratives of 'balance' have been shocked and reduced to tears at the sight of children blown to pieces by Israeli missiles. Pro-Palestinian demonstrations and individual gestures across the world are a testament to the international popular sympathy for the Gazans, which is radically at odds with the cynical posturing and handwringing connivance of their governments with Israel's war aims.
    Every day the world's television screens are filled with Israeli spokesmen ranting, bullying, and lying, or even attacking news presenters, and it is becoming increasingly clear that even mainstream journalists no longer believe them. Even the hapless Ban Ki-moon - the UN chief who has hardly said a word that the western powers on the Security Council didn't like - has condemned Israeli actions. It takes a lot to make Madeleine' the price was worth it Albright worry that Israel might be 'overdoing it' in Gaza and losing its 'moral authority'.
    Israel and its supporters will naturally try to attribute these developments to antisemitism or some sinister alliance between the left and 'Islamism', rather than the arrogance, stupidity and brutality of Israel's leaders. But that explanation no longer has the clout that it once did. Because it isn't only that the world sees Gazans as victims. The world also sees them as resisters. It sees the courage, resilience and heroism of a population that has refused to give into Israel and its high and mighty supporters. It sees the Palestinians as David, battling an Israeli Goliath that appears to be nothing but a cruel and sadistic bully, addicted to violence and unwilling to even consider a just peace.
    States that behave like that eventually become pariahs, now matter how militarily powerful they may be, and no matter how many lies they tell. They can get away with a lot of things only as long as they can count on the support of the powerful. But sooner or later there will come a point when even the governments that have given Israel carte blanche for so long will conclude that it is not in their interests to do so any longer. When that happens Israel will have to change or it will not survive.
    That day may not be far off. And when or if it comes, both the horrors that Netanyahu has unleashed on Gaza and the astonishing refusal of the Gazan population to be cowed by them will have done a great deal to bring it about.

    By Matt Carr

  • Sunshine
    10 years ago

    Http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/renouncing-israeli-citizenship.html
    Renouncing my Israeli citizenship
    Posted by Lenny Lapon
    Welcoming ceremony to Jews making "aliyah" to Israel, at the Nefesh b'Nefesh site
    A recent welcoming ceremony for Jews making "aliyah" to Israel, at the Nefesh b'Nefesh site

    On October 19, 2010 my plane landed in Israel and instantaneously I was awarded Israeli citizenship with identification card # 012706735, solely because I am Jewish. Through reflection and study I have come to realize that this act was a travesty of justice. There are several million Palestinians and their descendants who cannot enter and/or live and move freely in their native historical homeland.

    For several decades I believed, as most Jews do, that the establishment of the Jewish State of Israel was an answer to the Nazi Holocaust and other persecutions of Jews through the centuries, such as the Russian pogroms, the Spanish Inquisition and the Crusades. However, none of these atrocities were carried out by Palestinians and none of them justify the atrocities and other injustices perpetrated upon the Palestinian people by the Zionist Movement and the State of Israel for over a century. I am referring to the racist colonization of Palestine, the Nakba/Catastrophe of 1948 whereby the establishment of Israel as a state was accompanied by the destruction of hundreds of Palestinian Arab villages, massacres of thousands of men, women and children and the forced exile of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from their homeland. Subsequently Israel has embarked upon an aggressive, Nazi-like expansion and a brutal, inhuman, military occupation of nearly half a century.

    As a serious student of the Nazi Holocaust, I can only be horrified at the disgrace that the State of Israel and its Jewish supporters continue to bring upon the memory of Jewish Holocaust victims. It's a moral abomination to emulate Nazi tactics in the name of the Jewish people and their alleged security: cowardly massive bombings and slaughter of civilian populations who have no air force to protect them, collective punishment and torture, mass incarcerations, destruction of thousands of homes, and the vicious blockade and ghettoization of Gaza.

    Israel is not becoming an apartheid state--it already is one with separate and unequal laws and policing for its Jewish citizens on one hand and for its non-Jewish, mostly Arab citizens and victims of the occupation on the other hand.

    It is with a newfound clarity of thinking and analyzing a very emotional tragedy that I have thrown off the shackles of Zionist propaganda and am proudly and publicly renouncing my Israeli citizenship effective immediately. At the same time I denounce the ongoing colonial oppression of the Palestinian people, a terrible injustice that is greatly facilitated by US tax dollars supporting the vast Israeli military machine. I also encourage other Jews to educate themselves and to stand on the side of the oppressed.

  • Kakera
    10 years ago

    Don't call this a conflict. It's not a conflict. It's apartheid. It's a massacre. And it's turning into genocide.

  • Moe
    10 years ago

    Well you mentioned Egyptian government a few times saying it did nothing to help Gaza although they could.
    let me tell you the following.
    The so called Egyptian government is Killing us and calling all who oppose their actions terrorists, we are being killed,imprisoned and tortured by them. do you expect such a government to help Gaza? I think not.
    So I say don't take this government's actions as if it represents our country cause it doesn't, we are led by a war criminal who killed over a few thousandth of Egyptian civilians for no reason.

  • The Jew
    10 years ago

    From this whole thread there is only one truth that resonates in my oh all so Jewish heart :

    """""""""""""""humans suck""""""""""""""""

    Yup! Get used to it peeps.. we all hypocrites..

    I find it very touching to see all the tears for Palestinian peeps but I cannot help myself and look around the world as of right now and see the same @#%$ thing happening all around the world in Russia, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Sri Lanka, Africa, South America and I can keep typing on for hours...

    Can you al imagine how long would it take to type out all the murdered peeps if I would go through 1 year of European history? Let me enlighten you!!

    In the 1956 Hungarian revolution the very first day more than 20K student died for freedom on the streets of Budapest.. Where the &^@#@ was the UN and USA then?????? Where was everybody????
    HU?!?!?!

  • ddavidd
    10 years ago

    Haha I've heard these hopeless attempts to excuse killing of children in Gaza or in general Palestinian that is going on for 50 years, so many times. There are like a constant nag pricing in my skull; all you saying is like: 'every one kills, how come we can not kill either? How come we are the only grup of people who gets blamed for genocide, not others? Is it because we are Jews? Are we being discriminated there too? This is not fair, you guys are such anti Semitic bastards!!'
    You sound like a Kidd in the candy store: Mommy mommy everyone has candy why can't I? Or a baby vampire that would say: give me some sweet children blood, I promise it would not rot my baby fangs mommy.

  • Michael D Nalley
    10 years ago

    True I believe if we lined up all the hearses of those who died from violent acts it would look like a scene from the Netherlands,

    http://www.godvine.com/The-World-Expected-A-Tribute-But-Nobody-Could-ve-Imagined-Anything-Like-THIS-Wow--5725.html

  • ddavidd
    10 years ago

    First in none of those events, mentioned happening currently, the rate of innocents killed were as drastic. Do you see the number? Do you care at all for those children who die this way? You let your back ground to cover your eyes from seeing something these drastic and inhuman, and attempt to justify them with the most paralytic excuses ever known to the human race.

  • The Jew
    10 years ago

    "Haha I've heard these hopeless attempts to excuse killing of children in Gaza and Palestinian that is going on for 50 years so many times"

    Im not sure why are you typing haha!?!?!?

    And my post wasnt a hopeless attempt for an excuse!!!

    "You let your back ground to blind you from see"

    Really???? And you based on this observation on WHAT? Because I said I was a Jew?!?!

    A Jew who knows more about Attar, Rumi, Hafiz
    than anyone on this site ...

  • Sunshine
    10 years ago

    Jews and zionists; lays a huge difference in between.

  • ddavidd
    10 years ago

    Absolutely, and making that distinction is what prevents an Arab, a Palestinian, a Moslem from being a terrorist. It is a distinction between a hater and a freedom fighter.

  • Hellon
    10 years ago

    Can you define a freedom fighter to me please???

  • ddavidd
    10 years ago

    A wo/man who fights for freedom and just, not hatred and vengeance. S/he who never steps on goodness and right for the sake of her/his goals, because these things are her/his only goals.

    A terrorist: he who does whatever it takes to win, whether it is killing of innocent children or civilians. (like Israelis on the bigger scale or Bin Laden in the smaller.)

  • Hellon
    10 years ago

    See...I'm a little confused here because of this previous statement from you...

    Absolutely and making that distinction is what prevents an Arab, a Palestinian, a Moslem from being a terrorist....can you explain this also???

  • ddavidd
    10 years ago

    If one fight against Zionist is a freedom fighter, if one war against Jews, is a hater, therefor a terrorist!!

  • Hellon
    10 years ago

    That doesn't really make any sense to me...sorry.

    And...

    Absolutely and making that distinction is what prevents an Arab, a Palestinian, a Moslem from being a terrorist....

    ^^^

    Neither does this...

  • Michael D Nalley
    10 years ago

    I get confused attempting to trace the conflict back . I am just speculating that if the crusades had been successful of taking back Jerusalem that Gaza could have endured the conditions that the third most read poet of all time wrote about in his book "Spirits Rebellious " I can hardly listen to Bob Dylan's "Neighborhood Bully" without seeing the oppressed Palestinians trapped between radical Jihads (so called holy wars) and extreme Zionist who believe the only good Palestinian is a dead Palestinian) It was said that an injun (American Native ) told General Sheridan in his mission to rid this land of injuns "the only good injun is a dead injun . I know you want ddavidd to explain it in two or less sentences and I am looking forward to his reply
    Comanche Chief Tosawi reputedly told Sheridan in 1869, "Me, Tosawi; me good Injun," to which Sheridan supposedly replied, "The only good Indians I ever saw were dead." Sheridan denied he had ever made the statement. Biographer Roy Morris Jr. states that, nevertheless, popular history credits Sheridan with saying "The only good Indian is a dead Indian." This variation "has been used by friends and enemies ever since to characterize and castigate his Indian-fighting career

    Freedom and peace don't seem compatible at the current level of moral progress

  • ddavidd
    10 years ago

    Hellon, I know conscionable things are not accessible to every conscience .

    Think about it maybe it comes to you eventually. I know it is hard for you to understand fighting for freedom for you are the one who always grant the bigger piece (fish) to herself

  • Michael D Nalley
    10 years ago

    "Neighborhood Bully"

    Well, the neighborhood bully, he's just one man
    His enemies say he's on their land
    They got him outnumbered about a million to one
    He got no place to escape to, no place to run
    He's the neighborhood bully.

    The neighborhood bully he just lives to survive
    He's criticized and condemned for being alive
    He's not supposed to fight back, he's supposed to have thick skin
    He's supposed to lay down and die when his door is kicked in
    He's the neighborhood bully.

    The neighborhood bully been driven out of every land
    He's wandered the earth an exiled man
    Seen his family scattered, his people hounded and torn
    He's always on trial for just being born
    He's the neighborhood bully.

    Well, he knocked out a lynch mob, he was criticized
    Old women condemned him, said he could apologize
    Then he destroyed a bomb factory, nobody was glad
    The bombs were meant for him. He was supposed to feel bad
    He's the neighborhood bully.

    Well, the chances are against it, and the odds are slim
    That he'll live by the rules that the world makes for him
    'Cause there's a noose at his neck and a gun at his back
    And a licence to kill him is given out to every maniac
    He's the neighborhood bully.

    Well, he got no allies to really speak of
    What he gets he must pay for, he don't get it out of love
    He buys obsolete weapons and he won't be denied
    But no one sends flesh and blood to fight by his side
    He's the neighborhood bully.

    Well, he's surrounded by pacifists who all want peace
    They pray for it nightly that the bloodshed must cease
    Now, they wouldn't hurt a fly. To hurt one they would weep
    They lay and they wait for this bully to fall asleep
    He's the neighborhood bully.
    Every empire that's enslaved him is gone
    Egypt and Rome, even the great Babylon
    He's made a garden of paradise in the desert sand
    In bed with nobody, under no one's command
    He's the neighborhood bully.

    Now his holiest books have been trampled upon
    No contract that he signed was worth that what it was written on
    He took the crumbs of the world and he turned it into wealth
    Took sickness and disease and he turned it into health
    He's the neighborhood bully.

    What's anybody indebted to him for ?
    Nothing, they say. He just likes to cause war
    Pride and prejudice and superstition indeed
    They wait for this bully like a dog waits to feed
    He's the neighborhood bully.

    What has he done to wear so many scars ?
    Does he change the course of rivers ? Does he pollute the moon and stars ?
    Neighborhood bully, standing on the hill
    Running out the clock, time standing still
    Neighborhood bully.

  • Hellon
    10 years ago

    Think about it maybe it comes to you eventually. I know it is hard for you to understand fighting for freedom for you are the one who always grant the bigger piece (fish) to herself

    ^^^

    I don't understand this either ddavidd and to be honest...I've noticed in the past...if you wish to avoid a question that you don't want to answer you counter it with refocusing on me and my apparent inability to "feel compassion, being self indulgent or..in this case just selfish"...

  • ddavidd
    10 years ago

    It is possible, if it is so, my bad. But it seems to me you mocking me by avoiding a simple understanding.

    Tell me what exactly you do not understand?
    I am saying if An Arab.... instead of fighting against the Zionists, starts to hate all the Jews, S/he necessarily would turn to a terrorist, likewise in US, if an African American hated the white man instead of slavery.

  • Hellon
    10 years ago

    Ddavidd ...if you feel I'm mocking you then you need to grow a thicker skin...I will just not take you, or anyone else's opinion/view without question...I'm not a sheep in anyone's herd!

    You have mentioned the words...Arab..Palestinian and Muslim in a previous statement all apparently being exempt from terrorism...that's what I read anyway and that's why I'm asking these questions of you now...

    And this recent one...

    I am saying if An Arab.... instead of fighting against the Zionists, starts to hate all the Jews, S/he necessarily would turn to a terrorist, likewise in US, if an African American hated the white man instead of slavery

    ^^

    Why do you say an Arab here...?

  • Michael D Nalley
    10 years ago

    Point taken

    I would not call Hassan Nasrallah an Arab, though I suspect many might

    Arabs (Arabic: عرب‎, ʿarab), also known as Arab people or Arabic-speaking people, are a major panethnic group.[12] They primarily inhabit Western Asia, North Africa, parts of the Horn of Africa, and other areas in the Arab world. Arab ethnic groups which inhabit or are adjacent to the Arabian plate includes the Lebanese, Syrians, Emiratis, Qataris, Saudis, Bahrainis, Kuwaitis, Iraqis, Omanis, Jordanians, Palestinians, Yemenis, and Egyptians.

    Arabic-speaking populations in general are a highly heterogeneous collection of peoples, with different ancestral origins and identities. The ties that bind the Arab peoples are a veneer of shared heritage by virtue of common linguistic, cultural, and political traditions. As such, Arab identity is based on one or more of genealogical, linguistic or cultural grounds,[13] although with competing identities often taking a more prominent role,[14] based on considerations including regional, national, clan, kin, sect, and tribe affiliations and relationships. If the Arab panethnicity is regarded as a single population, then it constitutes one of the world's largest groups after Han Chinese.

    The Arabian Peninsula itself was not entirely originally Arab, Arabization occurred in some parts of the Arabian Peninsula. For example, the language shift to Arabic displaced the indigenous South Semitic Old South Arabian languages of modern-day Yemen and southern Oman. These were the languages spoken in the civilisations of Sheba, Ubar, Magan, Dilmun, and Meluhha--which were spread via migrants from the Arabian peninsula, together with written script, in the 8th and 7th centuries BC to the Horn of Africa (Ethiopia, Eritrea, Somalia, and Djibouti).

  • ddavidd
    10 years ago

    I do not need any sheep I like independent thinkers. Because I am a man searching for knowledge not acknowledgement.
    But see here again: what is in the world Arab and using it, in that sentence, you do not understand? Arab are the nation that are very much against Israel, so I use their name. What is so hard for you to understand, I don't understand??

  • Hellon
    10 years ago

    Well...I'll try to explain perhaps...I speak English as my native language so...I'm sometimes classed as English but...I'm not so...I do not like to be put into that category. The word Arab...takes in a very wide range of nations so...I just thought that's perhaps the general class of Arab would not go down too well with different nations within the 'Arab Roof" ???

  • Everlasting
    10 years ago

    Absolutely, and making that distinction is what prevents an Arab, a Palestinian, a Moslem from being a terrorist. It is a distinction between a hater and a freedom fighter.

    ^^^ my confusion is ... What distinction are you speaking of?

    Is it between the difference of being a Jew and a Zionist?
    Like if an Arab, Palestinian, a Muslim fights against a Zionist then it's for freedom, if it fights a Jew then it's for hatred? Or did I misunderstand?

    Edit: so in other words, if Palestinians are fighting back is not for hatred, but for freedom. Then they are not terrorist, right?

    -----

    " me against the world"

    Yes, humans suck. All the things that are happening in the world. So many, it's hard to name all of them. :(
    But so many innocents are paying the price , I still don't know the price of what. Of living? Of being innocent? Of???? Why can we just focus on helping each other attain a better quality of living?

  • Michael D Nalley
    10 years ago

    Agreed

    In Israel today, the decimal system of Arabic numerals (ex. 0, 1, 2, 3, etc.) is used in almost all cases (money, age, date on the civil calendar). The Hebrew numerals are used only in special cases, such as when using the Hebrew calendar, or numbering a list (similar to a, b, c, d, etc.), much as Roman numerals are in the West.

    .... Words are weapons in the war on ignorance

  • ddavidd
    10 years ago

    Hellon this is exactly where the problem is: Not you being classed as English but the very understanding of the English language. English is your first and my second language. And it seems it is justified to assume you know it better than me but this is not necessarily correct all the times as one might believe. One of the first thing I learned in English was about using 'THE' and 'A or AN'; if you use AN or A it means you're talking specific, or general(ly) or in general, but when you use 'THE', it means you're talking "an absolute general". For example if you say THE Arabs, it mean you are talking about all the Arabs inclusively, but when you say AN Arab you mean Arabs generally, without necessarily including every individual Arabs.
    Back to our discussion, I know there are Arabs who are indifferent or some might (rarely) even be pro Israelis, but the general mood of Arabs is anti Israel. And that is what I meant.

    Everlasting, you are not confused, you are exactly on the money. One has to to balance between being self-conscience and overconfident in her/his comprehensions. These two support one another in the way one results to the other.
    edited:
    About the other part, the price: The price you talking about is not external, it is all about the price we are going to pay. There is an internal compass in us that it would start to work only in storm and this is the reason there are storms. The injustice is for us to find our inner justice and to activate the inner compass. So do not get discouraged, get happy because by recognizing and being bothered by injustice, you are already being beckoned and and recognized by justness and fair.

  • Hellon
    10 years ago

    Well...thanks for the English lesson but...I have to correct you. When you say An or A you are talking in the singular as in an Arab or a muslim...one person. When you say the it can be singular or plural the arab singular the arabs plural. Now...the sentence from you I was referring to...

    Absolutely, and making that distinction is what prevents an Arab, a Palestinian, a Moslem from being a terrorist. It is a distinction between a hater and a freedom fighter.

    ^^^

    Here it would be taken that you are referring to all arabs all Palestinians and all muslims....it's just the way English is...full of contradictions :)

    You see..the way you have presented this is that no muslim is considered a terrorist and...well that's just not true...is it?

  • ddavidd
    10 years ago

    Now, look, how amusingly what you said contradict itself:
    "I have to correct you. When you say AN or A you are talking in the singular as in an Arab or a muslim...one person..."
    Then:
    "Here it would be taken that you are referring to all arabs all Palestinians and all muslims.... "
    So which one is it: 'A-AN' refers to singular or to all??

    See, you think you correcting me, though, you do not understand what I said, exactly as I described in the other post. When you say for example an English man, even though seemingly and superficially you referring to one singular English man, you are talking about English man in General.
    This part is where you are lost. The funny thing is that regardless of your statement about singular, you know that is general, but then, you are confused as the extend of that "generalness" in it. You think it means 'all' the English men are included, when you say AN English man, but in real they are not, only majority of them, are.

    It is like a cake that is a slice, in which is not certain how big, most likely, is excluded, or could be excluded.
    In philosophy they separate this, to the necessary and satisfactory conditions. AN and A deal with the satisfactory conditions.
    For example when I say An Englishman would not act ungentlemanly, in this statement ( regardless of right or wrong) I am saying: an English man, though not necessary all of them, not necessary all the time, but most likely, would act in a gentleman manner. Here the statement only meet the satisfactory condition.

  • Hellon
    10 years ago

    You know what ddavidd I was actually trying to explain further about the English language....but...half way through it I seen that, once again you had added to you post before I had the time to answer you..

    Let me just pick up on this part of your comment..

    See, you think you correcting me, though, you do not understand what I said, exactly as I described in the other post. When you say for example an English man, even though seemingly and superficially you referring to one singular English man, you are talking about English man in General

    If that's what I would have said (and I know I didn't) I would have said English men...plural

  • ddavidd
    10 years ago

    Edited:
    Now the plural still only meet the satisfactory condition. Because when you bring the plural to the equation the notion becomes more confusing. Remember we were talking about an Arab not Arabs, even though the results almost are the same.

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    See Hellon even though this is a very confusing matter, it is very clear also if you find the right perspective into it. The reason that you are not able to, is because you do not have the right tool and that is: the learning integrity, for you are constantly looking for scape goat to justify your say for the sake of exhibition, therefor you are barricading your eyes from seeing the true accounts of things and learning. I did not change anything and you are being dishonest. I just corrected some spelling and grammar mistakes.