A Serious Message to the Mods

PnQers should vote for their mods.
The current modding system is quite prejudiced (mods choose each other).

Plus, it's a dead site.

* Edited (I can, since also mods can delete whatever they want)

I think this is coming from a place of anger because a thread was deleted. Might I ask you all to read the rules of PnQ and refresh your memories. They haven't changed.

If people really want to vote on mods, there could be a complete turnover and chaos, but I'm not opposed to it. I love PnQ and all of you, that's why I do this job. If it's not appreciated, I'm happy to be a regular member again.

It's not a dead site, but it has slowed over time. Not what it was ten years ago, true. I wouldn't blame the mods for that. Seems a little presumptuous.

I agree with Jane. We all have busy lives and we get on when we can. There are some very loyal members here and I think the mods do a good job overall keeping the peace.

I wasn't here 10 years ago but it is slow but I like it this way. It gives off a very homey feeling in me I have ditched other sites that have been active but didn't make me feel homey so I like this site the Mods do their jobs very seriously hun or they wouldn't let us have sanity but that's just me :) laters hun

I feel I have come a long way from the member I was when I was threatened with a suspension for breaking this one rule the most

"2. Do not post your poems in this forum. Submit them here."

I love you guys for putting up with my disability to read between lines lol

I am going to post more poems here while I still have amnesty

Just my opinion, but I think this is getting ridiculous.

I don't see the point in blaming the mods as they have every right to take down a thread if it was getting out of hand or there was disrespect, which did occur. Other members were targeted and called names. Of course, we're all going to have different opinions and debates are welcome as long as we are civil. Don't feel any progress was being made as people were holding fast to their opinions. Yes, I would hope a reason would be given if mods deleted something but still, I think their best interest is in the site and bias has nothing to do with it, especially with the fact they do a lot of behind the scenes work so it's not like you see them favoring this person or that. I don't see the need for new mods. They do their job because they love and are dedicated to this site.... this site is not dead. Most of us still believe in it, even though it's obvious it's not the same as years back.

#1 rule on PnQ is respect as stated in the site rules. Respect no matter if we have completely opposite beliefs... we shouldn't harbor that anger or bitterness. We should just move on.

I agree pretty much with what Jane said.

If PnQ'ers feel we aren't doing a good job then feel free to speak up. We try to be as open as we can and not too interfering but members also have a responsibility to follow the rules and keep respectful.

Personally I don't think voting in mods is a good idea but maybe it's worth debate.

Being a mod has nothing to do with writing poetry and I don't think anyone, least of all us are saying or thinking mods are better or worse than any other members or poets.

And I don't think the sites gradual quietness is the mods fault if that is what is being implied.

I never had the chance to see your thread but I assure you if it was deleted by one of the current mods it was done without bias. We follow a set of rules and guidelines to the site just like every other member and you are right, we are not better than anyone else. The only real difference is the little red writing and the tools we have to try and keep the site from chaos.

The site is quieter but it isn't dead, look at the activity it has due to the club vs. club contest. Members I haven't seen in years are coming out of the shadows. A lot of members are not on this site for debate and discussion; they're here to post poetry and as long as poetry continues to be shared I don't think the site is going to die any time soon.

Voting on mods? If members were up for it I would step aside and let it happen. I don't think it would be sensible to throw out all mods at once though; someone will need to teach new members the ropes. That being said every mod currently on the team has a love for this site, we're ancients and have been here for years.

Abed, I see that you changed your initial post, and now it's easier for me to relate to where you're coming from.

Mods do pick mods. It seems open to bias, but we try to pull from different clubs/friend groups. Only one mod was my friend prior to modship. Sibby. That's it. I'll be damned if anyone thought Sibs was a poor pick. What's more, she stepped down on her own when she quit being as active. Few mods/former mods can say that, haha.

I think we have an amazing team right now, but I didn't vote for any of my fellow mods because we were buddy-buddy. I voted for them because I could see how active, dedicated, level-headed, and well respected they were (and are) by PnQ members.

When I was picked, I'm sure it was mostly because I offered a different viewpoint, not because I was level-headed or well respected. There was a lot of debate and some members left because they were so turned off by the idea of me as a mod. Mods have been picked more carefully since me ;)

Of course I'm open to different ways of electing mods, but is there really a need right now? The current squad is open to suggestions. Why not ask that we change how we do things and have a site-wide vote on what to change/how to change it?

Abed at one time I wanted to see this site compete with YT & FB

Dead sites don't make the news which can be a good thing
http://youtu.be/xitCdlo9IlQ

I read online that the so called Arab Spring began on Facebook

I know some folks that are great on facebook but resigned as mods from this site

The mods now are much more transparent than in the days members mysteriously disappeared

I think the mod team we have at this point in time is doing great... don't think there is a need for change, however I don't have an issue with the rules and regulations of this site..

I think people get upset if threads are deleted and I would hope messages were sent to the poster of the thread explaining why it was deleted.. just my thoughts.

and I have seen this site a lot quieter than what it is now currently... this site is like a roller coaster... up and down... it happens but its not the mods fault.. its just how it goes from time to time.

Allot more people used to participate in thread discussions back in the day, but several folks got tired of personal attacks, which happens and we all have seen it... so a mod team is necessary... I personally love to hear everyones views, thoughts and opinions so I read allot of threads but what I think is unnecessary is personal attacks or disrespect which is uncalled for and which is why threads get deleted.

Yes, a message should be sent to the poster of the thread, and to my knowledge, one was sent in this case. Just want to clear that up :)

Andrea just to let you know messages were sent to the thread starter explaining tbe reasons.

I agree a rollercoaster is a good description of PnQ!

My vote is to leave the mod system as it is. It is a tough job and they do it well. We don't need to vote on them. From what I see and remember before being chosen, the person has some fairly high standards to meet before being approved to be a mod. Leave it that way please.

As for the site being quiet, yes it is but a lot of that is due to some of the issues that arise, like the server issues, the certificate issues, other issues that have driven some of the long term members away so none of that can be blamed on the mods. If anything a part of it can be blamed on the site members and their lack of commitment.

Well thats good, then thats how the cookie crumbles :-)

I don't think we need a new mod team I think we need members to respect and accept the rules and regulations of this site. I'm not trying to upset anyone with my opinion I'm just neutral and looking on both sides of the cookie! (not sure why I'm obsessed with cookies tonight but I am :-)

I don't think voting for a mod would be the best thing to do, either. Mods shouldn't be picked according to how popular they are. I think there is no problem in having mods pick other mods as long it is according to a set of rules, that is, plus only they know what the job requires and what they need so it seems the reasonable thing to do. But of course, I do also believe, that in cause some members feel there is a sort of favouritism or unfairness practiced by the mods they should by all means come forward.

I haven't seen the thread, either, but I don't believe in deleting threads or locking them. I think the rules regarding that should be reconsidered. No one should be hushed.

I did contribute to Abed's thread but have no problem with it being deleted.

Abed has started multiple threads about the same topic over and over again. all with the same theme and hate

the current mod team is the best we have had in the 8 years I've been here they should be applauded not criticized

Abed some time ago instead of clogging the treads with more vitriol I took out discussions to PM. You then went running off to the Mods asking that I get penalized if I PM you again. no problem to me. You then left the site, then returned as is your right. Since your return you have started sending me PM's. so whats it to be Abed ???

Seems with everything around here you want your cake and eat it....

Sometimes it is difficult to separate the sin from the sinner A spiritual master could do that even with Hitler.

PS I am not a spiritual master nor can I throw stones at Hitler haters :)

Most people use ad hominem and other logical fallacy and this site has never had a level field for the pure purpose of debate

I think the Mods are doing just fine. They have been more active recently, creating contests of their own, joining discussions and challenges, along with their daily duties. Wonderful job, ladies and gents. :)

As for the forum posts being deleted, I completely understand why. The same arguments are being stated over and over and it isn't much of a debate anymore but personal attacks. That is uncalled for, we all have different believes...agree to disagree and be done with it!

Some mod must have been very busy deleting Abed's threads because I only found two ?

I'm only aware of one recently deleted thread...

"Abed has started multiple threads about the same topic over and over again. all with the same theme and hate "

Does Abed have an account under the screen name ddavidd?

My point is that several members have accused Abed of clogging the members message forum

I thought I was the one who needed a life, but if there are members who can't get through there busy day without reading page three of the poems and quote members message forum I am not as bad off as I thought.... LMAO

My personal opinion apart from the site being broken in places
And the fact that every old skool member still misses the chat
Pnq is doing just fine and so are the mods, ye I don't agree with everything but they all do a good job.

Pnq is dead because people grow up lose there passion or generally don't have time, when I was 15/16 poetry got quite big but now it's slowly dying.

And the younger generation of today is probably half the percent if not less of young people interested in poetry.

People have come and gone after days, weeks months, even after 6-7 years people just leave and there's not enough in this generation to replace.

You can't blame the mods for that, it's just how life has gone.

No matter what you do in life, you're always going to have people who will disagree with you, or people you cannot please.

It may not be the same people over and over (the serial Debbie-downers), but chances are, not once, not ever, will you be able to please everyone. I spent a majority of my life thus far trying to please people until I realized it can't be done - not all people, anyway.

Sometimes we need breaks because we disagree with someone else. Sometimes distance is a good thing. I left the site when I was finding myself incredibly unhappy with it, did my own thing, and came back. I frequently take time away and keep my distance when someone on her disappoints me or upsets me. I think it's important to realize this is just the internet, and if you are going to let something bother you so much, maybe it's time to step away. It's a lesson I definitely had to learn, after getting way too involved and getting away, finally. I guess ya live and learn.

On the mod stand-point, voting in mods has been discussed before (for years and years... and years). The same people who used to want to vote mods in, didn't want to vote contest judges in because it's just a popularity vote. If we don't trust people to even vote in judges (or nominate poems for crying out loud, that turns into a popularity contest, too), then how do you think mods would be selected?

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Mod team!!
They are doing a great job for free! Yes the site is dying, less and less peeps are online but we can only blame the members, us for it and also, all the poetry sites are like this.. I guess poetry as an art is just a fading expression...

Amen brother Me

1 The mods are our peepherds we shall not want.

2 they taketh me to the penalty box when I write too much they leadeth me beside the still waters.

3 They restoreth our accounts: they leadeth us in the paths of forum rules& guidelines

4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of suspended and banned accounts , I will fear no evil: for mods art with me; their rod and staff comfort me.

5 They preparest a table before us in the presence of our enemies: they anointest our head with oil; our cup runneth over.

6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow us all the days our life: and we will stay at PQ for ever.

The mods are our peepherds I shall not want.

http://www.poems-and-quotes.com/discussion/topic.html?topic_id=95657

Although I loved all of your posts , it took me some years to see that I was reading them wrong... Forgive me Brother for being such a tool..
I am so glad to see you here Michael, being active and positive..

P&Q was always close to my heart and I want nothing more to this site but prosperity...

I think Kevin let my people go before bob suspended their accounts lol

God of Moses\'s Ten commandments vs P.Q. Rules and Guidelines

Good old Bob. Yeah he was some what the Head of Inquisition, and yet I have to point out something: He wanted nothing more but the best to this site.. I guess he just overpowered the rules..

I found out that I have Asperger syndrome symptoms and there are things that stick in my mind . One is when Bob threatened to suspend my account for posting rhymes in this forum . That was quite a compliment from a man that estimated out of the thousands of members PQ had ten poets at the most

technically if I was posting poems in this forum he was admitting I was a poet in my mind lol

"That was quite a compliment from a man that estimated out of the thousands of members PQ had ten poets at the most "

You might be right, his naked silhouettes brought to alive some what strangely illuminated mannequins..

Illusions were not his gift to give ~laughs~ But he did recognize art when he saw one...

Since I did not read the specific post here before Abed edited it nor the deleted thread, I will not comment on either.

I will say that the decision to delete the thread was not taken in a vacuum. We have been discussing complaints that polemetization had overtaken free discussion with regards to the one-sided war going on. While we did not feel we could take sides, we did agree that personal attacks and global assertions of violence were getting out of hand. One solution we discussed was to limit the number of threads on the subject.
Several members had created threads, not just Abed. Several members had given their heartfelt beliefs. Not just Abed.
Abed is passionate and brutally frank in his discourse, just as he is forgiving and concerned on a personal level. You should understand that about him. Nicko is just as passionate about his beliefs and when he sees what he perceives to be an attack he reacts. Neither of them would harm an innocent which distinguishes them from both the active forces in the recent conflict.

Israel and Hamas are in the midst of working out a cease fire after more than 1200 civilians including many children have died. Let us not argue whether the fault was greater in Hamas or the Israeli but adopt our own cease fire.

^^^^^

The next candidate for the USA president but...remember to ask him what he REALLY thinks before you elect him :)

I'd vote for him.

I would vote for Larry Chamberlin the Godfather

My understanding is at the request of the newly formed Iraq government the USA may provide airstrikes for humanitarian relief on Iraq soil . Gaza is not all about moral conscience IMHO and I am overwhelmed by the politics of military force

http://youtu.be/cETatxynicY?list=PLks8mXumtDBJvCqRh15M9ae4yI9OfgA7s

Seriously? You would both vote for Larry based on his statement???

ok.. I get it now...JOKING???

"Israel and Hamas are in the midst of working out a cease fire after more than 1200 civilians including many children have died. Let us not argue whether the fault was greater in Hamas or the Israeli but adopt our own cease fire."

I would like to see him moderate the three branches of government but I realize that would be only poetic justice lol

It take the blood of 1800 innocents for them to realize they have to go back where they started.

This happen always Larry. No bullies would ever confess they were at fault killing innocent people.
This is how it works: First they kill as many as they could. ( they itch to exercise those muscles of the war machine, as much as hyenas, the muscles of their jaws and their fangs.) Then when the war machine do not work they hide behind liberals: It was both of them. They both were at fault. If it was a mutual thing why the massacre was one sided? Who is going to answer for the blood of children mister president haha Obama?

Though I agree these two, they can not tolerate a passionate talk. I understand why Abed is so angry, But Not Nicko. Though I do know why but never mind.

And to make it clear guys I am neither Arab nor Muslim. I have respect for the Jewish people. I less tolerate my own countries violation of human right. I was appalled by Ahmadinejad comment that the holocaust never happened. So do not try to use the anti Jew and antisemitic card on me. Also you should keep in your mind that the Arabs are semitic too !!
Though Now I say onto you guys: For how long do you want to hide your blooded hands behind the holocaust? For how long do you want to assault innocents then hide behind your mask of once being innocent,( history is to teach us lesson not to barricade us do you know??) then in the end hide behind the liberals to excuse you by dividing the blame equally??

Sorry, I've said my piece and in no part of it did I assess or equalize blame. You, Ddavidd, of all people, know I don't believe the guilt is even. It's just that enough damage has been done.
Hellon, what I really think is simple. Genocide always rebounds against the perpetrator. It's not a discussion I will continue.

And you Larry , of all people, know how much respect I have for THE Godfather.