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Yep it is up there... and the reason that I could call on that is because I am the only one (maybe) who can see it.

Yes you got that you miss something and subconsciously are aware of it and you are for that one step ahead of others.

About orgasm thing, I do not debate that. It is very healthy. I did not do it for religion purpose. Also I never preach that to anyone. I was searching for clarity and I found a harsh way to get that. I pay for it with something that you yourself hold it most precious. Now people see themselves in me all the time. Because the mirror is so furbished. And when I say it is themselves they see, they think I am not humble. It is no win situation, but makes me laugh, a laughter that I am entitle and paid for it. Not because I am not humble , because I can see.

Name :

ddavidd

Gender :

Male

Age :

5
"I did not get here easily. This is not a source of any pride. For that clarity 15 years of celibacy is the list price that I've paid."

I think I had 15 years of celibacy twice in my first five decades , but I never mastered the desire to get close to my master in the same way I searched for a sole mate , to be honest

Once a guy (happened in India) was so desperate to convince a guru to take him as apprentice. And the guru always said no you are not ready. Once in a boat he really threw himself at the guru's feet and said: please please, see I beg you, I am humble for you; take me, take me!! So the guru threw him in the water and holed his head for as long as he almost stop struggling.
And when the boy head was released and he was panting so hard reaching for oxygen, the guru whispered to his ears : whenever you need it as you need oxygen , then you are ready.

I'm pretty sure the person you're laughing at is laughing right back at you. I'm glad it goes both ways.

Of cours s/he is. The mirrors are always both ways. I laugh at me all the time laughing at them or vice versa laughing at them laughing at me
And then
they too laugh at me laughing at them and lough at themselves laughing at me also, so it is FOUR ways in my mirror all the time.

Funny old world, innit.

Yes it is

By the way Larry before this thread be ended I should clarify that I never denied the brilliance of Everlasting . She is indeed a talented girl and poet. I think I was the first who discovered her real talent and my ego is so proud because of that :) :) In this I was just saying her logic was wobbling because she had an interior motive to disregard an obvious simplicity.

I found the guru story very enlightening

That was A lonely soul, my first mentor and advisor in poetry. Though I have yet to reply to your arguments Sir.

Dear Michael It is for you but an average Joe would say: How dare him (the guru) to treat another human being in such a disgrace and indignity. This man is egomaniac, full of himself not a guru.
You must be a seeker to understand this. This poem of A. Shamloo caught me yesterday in the street and made me cry:
" Where are you?
Where are you
that your absence
is the continuous experience
of being buried alive?"

I have buried myself in oil
consumed by what I consume

Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.

Rumi

Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/r/rumi.html#budkksFqkTelepbT.99

I grow up with Rumi they are more profound in their own language.

I do doubt you ever will Everlasting.
I never said I was your mentor. I advised you though as you did me. That was mutual.
I think he is the best mentor for you, you should hold on to him.

What I meant when I saw your poems in the beginning of our association, they were very messy to me, though they still were awarded and prised; it was almost ridicules that even you yourself questioned one or two of your winnings.
But I look at your works and found out some thing that ( according to me) only I have the eye for them; the usage of some phrases that they were seemingly so juvenile but yet I could trace some thing transcendental in them. I mentioned it, if I am right few times and tried to direct you towards those directions.
That is all I meant by discovering you. I wouldn't mentor you I knew that long time ago.

But I look at your works and found out some thing that ( according to me) only I have the eye for them; the usage of some phrases that they were seemingly so juvenile but yet I could trace some thing transcendental in them. I mentioned it, if I am right few times and tried to direct you towards those directions.

^^^

Does this statement alone not mean that you're nurturing you own ego? Like..."only I have the eye for them" well...perhaps I did too. I may have commented but, chose not to highlight myself as a talent scout as you apparently want to be now...mentor...guru...what next for you ddavidd....

You have a very good eye I even few times relied on that. But as seeing something is only yours talent Seeing other thing is my talent.
And believe me where I am strong you do not even exist.
See again I purposefully draw a handle in my speech for you to hook your ego and assuming it is mine. It is a source of pleasure for me. If you read my conversation with Abby you would understand why, otherwise just going to think I am mean.

The reason is when you have an ego you pretend you don't, because you have it, but when you do not, you just are, you do not pretend. You say the thing as they are, and people because they do not have any mental alternative to that, they would think it is your ego talking. It is not, It would be my ego talking if I modify my truth and say for example: my eyes might come across something that the other might not. But I say it straight forward because there is no ego to hide behind it. because it, is not the source of my pride , It, is just it is. But it is the source of joy when IT misdirect others to something that is not there. I think that is my "naughty call" duty perhaps.

Another thing I have to say before this go away, I do not say I do not have ego that is absurd. This is a claim so irresponsible, only perhaps don John do not have ego. Without ego one would die, literally. Read the poem of Rumi " Die die die If you die of this love, your soul becomes eternal..." Only an absolute warrior could survive the death of ego by replacing it with impeccability . I am far from there yet. But I am neither normal. My ego shifted to a place of my psyche that has little control of what I do. I learned to reverse the focal point of my intent from ego to authenticity. Philosophy helped me on that. But It is still there as source of survival and pretention. Because I do not have enough energy and courage to kill it completely yet. The death of ego is more gross and painful than the literal death if you do not know. And doesn't happen by only a bullet or some pills.
As don Julian( guru of don John) said: ego is a dragon with 2000 head that you have to cut them one by one, each, through out a most bloody battle.
Also that would never happen without a guru initiates you to that path.

And believe me where I am strong you do not even exist.

^^^

Oh pish-posh ddavidd!!! You are judging me and making this ridiculous statement based on what? what you know about me from being a member of this site? You know nothing about me...rather, only what I wish you to know so...enough said on that issue.

As for having an ego or not..well, I think we have to bring the word pride into the equation? I pride myself in a lot of things but I do not consider this as egoistic...it's just personal standards that I myself have set.

I am on George Carlin's list of people who should be killed

http://youtu.be/xZdn9ZjgWKI

There is no getting around roll playing the persecutor, savior , and victim

So you say I do not know you Hellon and whatever I know about you is what you misrepresented about you and there is no way for me to know you farther than what you want and let me, about you.
So this is the prove to what I say: you miss represent yourself and then you go and chase me, thread after threads that I, am "the deepest essence " guy, the Hazel, and now Mohammed. So do you see that my argument with Abby and others is valid: that we see, ourselves, in the mirror of others!! That the source of your suspicion on me is you, not anything I did!! That the ego Everlasting refer it to me, is her own. And the more transforming happen in here switching to the other side of her personality , the more she would see of that ego that she externalizes it as me.

Now to refute your argument: what I know about you is not what you try to show others as you. You could only do it to others, but I SEE you (occasionally) through that eye I told you. This is why you always are arguing with me, because with me you have to hold on to your mask and constantly sustain it with affirmation.
I also know most of you are not whoever you say you are and are deferent name of those characters once we get to know.

I think thread is over. I hope everyone is entertained, because site was really getting dull.

Now if any one of you questions my sanity, remember, according to my mirror theory, I am questioning yours equally.
Sanity is a relative word. Unit 20 years ago if you saw a man walking on the street talking to himself you would consider him insane. Now it is normal, you know for sure there is another person in the other side of the cell phone (that through the microphone whether noticeable or unnoticeable to you) is hearing this guy. But what about the mad guy 20 years ago, was he really mad ? how do you know there weren't people who were listening to him through the mechanism that in not yet known to the man? We know by now that the schizophrenic patient hear people and talk to the imaginary individuals, so as children. The new science is learning that those images might be as tangible and real as this world . The only reason that we can't see those is because IT IS US who is TRAPPRD in this world. Though of course the mental patients usually lose their equilibrium of their biochemical life and slowly become really physically and mentally ill because they cannot deal with two reality simultaneously.
So if anyone of you thinks that way about me, him /herself is insane before me:
A man was in a while in a mental hospital and a supervisor doctor examined him and told him why are you here you are more sane than us. He said yes I know but in my town of 5000 people 4999 say I am mad and I day the 4999of them are mad, so because they are majority I am here other wise I know I am sane.

Thing about locking a thread: you get the last word.

Id