Sextuplate accounts

*snorts* trust me I know that. My heart hasn't yet healed from the wounds that still bleed inside but don't show to the world unless I let them show. My second username was me to a tee: Joker Queen since I would/do joke around simple as that. Actually there was someone that told me this:"You know something is f***ed up if you're not smiling." since I normally smile and joke around. People actually want to hate me because I'm too kind!

Being kind and smiling are all good but in moderation. When the bones are joined in crooked ways, one can not understand balance.
It is like a kitten that her/his whiskers are cut,
There are no point of reference to what balance is.

Well, I happen to agree with Abby completely, but no surprise there! We could use more member input. I'm trying not to say much since obviously I'm biased.

Haha when didn't you agree with Abby completely, I wonder??

She's edgy and challenges concepts, but she's also sensible, reasonable, intelligent, wise... I could go on. That's why I tend to agree with her.

Also, multiple accounts. If the concern is that members are going to take advantage and use multiple accounts maliciously or against the rules, sorry folks, it's going to happen with or without the multiple accounts rule in place. Opening up the amount of multiple accounts would simply allow members who are honest about said multiple accounts (like me) to keep their multiple accounts. The only way we ever find out about the abuse of multiple accounts is by detecting the abuse. People do not report themselves lol. They certainly do not and would not tell a mod about an account that they're abusing.

"Hey, I have an alternate account and I've been using it to spy on members in Moonlight Muses, vote for myself in the weekly contest, and stalk Britt. Can I keep the account since we're allowed two and I told you about it?"

HA. The second we become suspicious of abuse, we check it out, and it typically takes less than a minute.

Lmao omg Jane that's hilarious and no we would NOT say that lol although M&M club is closed won't let anybody new in lol so they are safe :) the rest of us...yea a sad group but most of us are truthful :)

Also Ddavidd I have my dark days worry you not I am and will go dark on anyone that severly annoys the hell out of me! lol

Remember the song Jane:
Don't lean on me because I am strong, (be your independent mind.)
and now a punch coming my way from Bill Withers.

Ddavidd I lean on myself :) well me and my "lesbian lover" lmao dont' get me started on that it was just too hiliarious to even think of it!

Ddavidd....do you mean Neema as in once female member who lived in Egypt or some country around that part of the world? Good poet?

Mary Poppins...are you sure you can't sign in to both accounts at the same time? I'm just wondering how the mods can sign into their accounts and the P&Q account at the same time? Maybe they have super mod powers?

Well you can log in at the same time as your account but it would have to be in a different device say I'm using the computer in this account and on my phone I'm logged as Trinity Heart (which is my other account) Hellon.

Ddavidd I didn't think you pass as a girl! Well there you have it folks the reason why the Mods were right in not allowing people to have more than 2 accounts or even one -.-

Not browsers Mark I know if I have another tab open or even if I have regular internet and I got on Chrome it's still the same. I would get my own account only I would have to sign out and for a short period of time my account would show up as online

I am not sure you were a member then.
Neema is the name of the father of Persian contemporary poetry. I used his name.

Mori it was to Jane not everything is to you. You always do that. Pay attention!!
Thanks for the personal information though . But I am not interested in someone even older than my mom. And I am lesbian too.

Lmao you do realise I'm 20 right? And I'm not lesbian hun if YOU paid attention you would realize I said it's too funny to even think of it! I never said I was lesbian because I'm not

Good because neither I am. I like you only have "lesbian lover"

*rolls eyes* Did your mom EVER ground you? cause if not she should now mister since you're clearly 5yrs old!

Okay Bob

I'm not "Bob" whoever HE is!

I miss Bob. Tell him to rejoin the site. My life is meaningless without a nemesis.

Lmao my God Jane you can live without a nemesis lol

So...was that a yes ddavidd? You used to be Neema....female member, was once in RTVW?

RTVW? Hellon what club was that?

Thanks Mark, and my internet doesn't let me do that to my regret

I have a question.
Who decided we could only be part of one club at a time? What is the deal with all of this spying, and to what end could anyone possibly infiltrate a club?
I've seen little to no evidence of actual club on club rivalry for which spying would be beneficial (aside from the friendly poetic contest banter). If one of the fears of having two (or more) accounts is that people might be part of multiple clubs can I make a suggestion? Howabouts we let members join as many clubs as they want? We're trying to promote friendship and community here, not high school cliques.

Supermod power has nothing to do with it Hellon.
Anyone can log into two accounts with two browsers (other than Moir).

Regarding the multiple accounts, each time you add an account to the mix you add a layer of complexity to the issue of accountability. It is not possible to control malicious accounts when there are innumerable accounts in place already.

One person may have several accounts and use only one or two for surreptitious purposes (to gain telephone numbers, addresses, etc).

Since starting as mod I have personally caught two peds and both of them had multiple accounts. One was a fellow who had been ordered not to deal with underage girls as a condition of parole. The other was a skank who had bullied a girl into believing she was married to him because he'd talked her into some ritual with phone sex. Him we got arrested.

There have been other instances of abusers other mods dealt with such as a guy who popped up in several accounts after he was banned.

The plagiarist in England who had the audacity to display an avatar that read "I'm back."

These are all multiple account users that were hard to eradicate. Let everyone have multiple accounts and the difficulty in weeding out the abusers will be increased exponentially,

No Hellon it is a man and was another person. Michael still remembers him.

I meant one account being allowed to join multiple clubs. But it would be the same situation if someone with two accounts was in multiple clubs.
There's nothing stopping someone who's part of only one club from posting any private information they come across anywhere on pnq. My point is that everyone who belongs to a club gets in through a process... An application, an invitation, whatever. If you're trustworthy enough to get into one club, why can't you be trustworthy enough to get into two?
Unless, of course, you guys are chomping at the bit for war paint and interclub gang wars. In which case I am, as always, down.

I don't think the risk of pedophiles or predators or plagiarists or any other "p" criminal (or otherwise) would increase with the allowance of multiple accounts. That's suggesting that there are people who currently abide by the "no more than 2 accounts rule," who if given the opportunity to have more accounts, would potentially do some pretty awful stuff with them. Someone who stalks young girls and manipulates them, as an example, does not care what rules we have in place... We are not preventing these crimes by disallowing multiple accounts. Allowing multiple accounts simply means the members who are currently rule-abiders are suddenly allowed to have as many accounts as they want, if they so choose. These members, based on their present adherence to rules, would most likely have sincere intentions when creating alternate accounts. Honestly, I'm not wholly sure why anyone now would have alternate accounts (besides an excuse like mine, which I will explain below for those who don't know), but I have faith that bad people will do bad things whether we like it or not, and good people will be good even if given greater breadth/liberty to do what they want.

Daenerys was my original account. Bob suspended it for reasons that were not just (as was Bob's way, in my opinion). Rather than ask for the account returned, I, like many other members, returned to the site eventually with a new account (silvershoes). At that point, my style of writing was maturing. When Daenerys was finally returned to me (many years later), I decided to leave it as a storage space for old poems and memories. I stuck with silvershoes -- an account I have become immensely attached to as well. At a certain point, I developed another style of writing that I didn't feel would fit with my silvershoes style. Thus was created Selene. I did not initially let anyone know Selene was me because I wanted honest, impartial feedback on the poetry I was posting. Abby approached me, to my delight, and she pretty quickly realized Selene was me. As more members started figuring it out, I decided the purpose of Selene had been realized. I started posting ALL of my poetry to silvershoes, regardless of style. Selene is therefore another account that stores old poems and memories. See? Harmless. If you have an explanation as good as mine, I'd find it impossible to argue with you that your accounts are in any way harmful.

However, I will be deleting my Selene account soon, unless we somehow rule as a site that 3+ accounts are fine. I'm attached to all my accounts, but in the end, I've made much bigger (and many more) sacrifices and survived ;) I see where the other mods are coming from -- it sets a poor example if an exception is made for me. Either every honest member on here sticks to 1-2 accounts, or every honest member gets to have as many as they want. It's important people on this site, especially mods, don't get special treatment. I'm not disputing that!

Jane, first, I'm not disputing your good intentions.

Second, I'm not arguing that proliferation of accounts would increase the predators. It would absolutely make it more difficult to find them.

I know you're not, Larry, and I'm not disputing yours. You guys are right that exceptions set us up for future problems; that's why it's important we discuss the multiple accounts issue with the whole site if the site wants to discuss it. My opinion is one of many. I just want to fairly represent it. And as always, I will abide by majority opinion of members, and majority opinion of mods. As of now, Selene will be deleted. I'm a bit daunted about the idea, but it will happen, and soon!

I'm slightly confused how seeking predators will be made more difficult. Maybe I just need sleep.

Senryu, anyone can easily fake a persona and get into just one club, and then happily go about their days posting private information from that club to the site, the web, wherever. My point is that if you're willing to expose your private life to some rando on the basis of them being accepted into your club, then they should be trustworthy enough to be exposed to that same information in another club. The whole concept of posting private information in your super duper exclusive club that you absolutely totally cannot abide being shared anywhere else is baffling.
Anything you post to the internet is immediately public by nature of the internet.

Hm. Yes, and as much as I want to agree with you because I love you, I must say that some of the things I say in my club I would prefer to stay there LOL.

And no, that doesn't mean I'm breaking any rules again, guys, so calm down.

If multiple accounts were permitted, whether or not a person could join multiple clubs is a totally different topic. I'm more than fine with the former, and a little horrified by the latter.

Then what is your perspective on one person joining multiple clubs on one account?

I think it's really just a matter of the club coming to a consensus about who gets into the club and who doesn't. But one person who's equally liked by and friends with two separate clubs should be able to be in both simultaneously, no? Maybe I just assume people are intelligent, reasonable, mature individuals capable of maintaining the privacy of their friends without alienating themselves from other people. Wooops.
But now I'm just being boar-headed about this. I don't think I'm explaining this well at all. Where are you Jordan? I need your clarity.

I did it once because I liked the idea of all my eggs in one basket. You guys all knew they were in there too I think. I wasn't using them, just as I'm not using them now. Then a mod told me it wasn't ok and I removed them. Still doesn't make sense to me.

Two numbers too early Larry 224==>> 2222

That logic wasn't.

Good night to all
and to all
a good knight.

You express yourself well, Senyru. Your posts are insightful and I enjoy reading your perspective on things.

And now it sounds like I'm hitting on you.

Goodknight.

I think, as a starting off point, ANY account should be allowed to stay if
1) the member states what their other accounts are on their profile
2) the last login date is, say, > 6 months
3) there is no activity tracked other than posting poetry (can mods track when a member votes/comments/nominates/posts/PMs, i.e. anything that isn't visible on the public profile?)

I don't see why there should be any fear about these sorts of exposed or non-invasive profiles. None of the people in this thread have raised anything against the above sort of profile.

Now, here are my responses to a few pertinent issues raised here regarding multiple anonymous and active profiles:

* Voting for their own poems:
Yeah, it sucks. It's probably happening illegally right now. And these people would never know about or follow the rules anyway. It's what all online forums have to deal with.

* Judging their own nominated poems:
Yeah, this sucks too. Hopefully, unless two of the five judges are all from the same account (highly unlikely), the whole panel will balance out the bias. Also, mods could do a 'police check' on all judges before they're recruited so everyone's on the same page.

* More nominated poems for judges to deal with:
The multiple accounts have to work to reach nominator status first, which will at least slow things down.

* What about people not being who they really are?
A person can be lots of people, in real life and on the internet. How wonderful that this person feels free to express themselves online here in all their forms. Instead of feeling betrayed, embrace the potential diversity. This is the internet. You're never meant to know who you're talking to.

* But clubs are private sanctuaries and we don't want people revealing our secrets!
Even right now, people can club-hop as much as they want. What's the difference? If you're paranoid, make all new members to go through the mod 'police check'.

The most serious problem raised is predators etc, but I'm lacking understanding in how multiple accounts will make things harder than normal. Can't multiple accounts be tracked by their IP address?
If there's a person using their secondary account to be douche on the forums or harassing people via PM, they can be checked and all their accounts identified and deleted, right?
If a member is using separate IPs, it's trickier, but then these are probably not the in general, people with good intentions will far outweigh those who want to exploit the system. The baddies don't care about the rules anyway.

It's a silly rule that should be modified at the very least. If you can't really control it, let it go, and only worry about the rare, individual cases as they arise.

I wonder if anyone has ever done a collab with themselves haha!!!

Lol idk but I still remember the time I introduced Obscurely Fading to herself lol