Life for a Life

Hey everyone,
What do you think about the death penalty for people convicted of murder? I've just been wondering about it lately.

-Rach

I think that its better than spending money on the fools and letting them take up our prison space instead of a person that they are punishing and then rehabing. You would have to have 100% conclusive evidence before putting anyone to death, obviously.

yah I guess, but for one thing there's the chance that he/she didn't commit the crime, and then maybe that person only killed the other person in self defense, or maybe it was a woman who was getting so badly beaten by her husband, that she just shot him one day. I'm not saying she doesn't deserve major prison time for that, it's just, does she really deserve to die? it's a really controversial subject, but if someone killed a person in my family, then I'd probably want them to die. Unfortunately it really sort of depends on the person.

I'm in favour of instant public crucifixion. But I'd expand that to include drug dealing, paedophilia and rape (including stat. rape).

Saves money AND acts as a deterrent to crime.

Define paedophilia. I know it's off topic.

Any case where a child or children are sexually abused by a lucid and cognative competent adult.

I know that. I meant how do you define it versus loving a person. If its not statutory rape, how do you define paedophelia?

Law is law.. age is age. there is no discrimination for love.

So you're saying you would just go and kill all of the drug dealers? I'm not saying your opinion is wrong, it's a terrible occupation, but what if that person had a bad time in life, and through a series of unfortunate events (lol, and i don't mean the book series) that was the only thing he could do or thought he was capable of doing as a job. I'm definitely not saying it's right, I know it's not, but I wouldn't go killing all of them, without even giving them a second chance at doing something worthwhile with their lives. You've seemed like a nice guy and everything, and you have a good opinion, but it looks like you're a little too quick to judge.

that was in response to Bret.

JPM Paedophilia- English english mate.

I'd be willing to listen to appeals but they would have to be a lot faster than they are now.

Circumstance does not allow for leniancy. If you deal you deal, simple as that. You know what you're doing and how it affects other people's lives. Drug dealers deserve everything they get.

Guys-

Thanks for pointing out the obvious, but I really hope I have so far proven I'm not that stupid, lol.

I know the statutory rape thing, but what confused me is when Bret said paedophelia.

Who is to determine paedophelia. There isnt a law besides statutory rape, and Bret mentioned both. That confused me, because who would tell someone they were a paedopheliac (sp?) if they werent staturotily (sp?) raping someone?

It was just self contradicting. That was what sent me off on tangent.

I do think that drug dealers should have much harsher punishments, but death??? I dont know about that.

I do think that prison should be a much more depressing place though. Somewhere you would only want to go if it was a nightmare and you were insured waking up in the end. Prison is a joke.

"that was the only thing he could do or thought he was capable of doing as a job"

that made me think of prostitutes. would u want to kill all of the prostitutes?

I agree with Bob, but I think child abusers of ANY KIND should be punished MUCH MORE harshly, if not by death.

Paedophilia: sexual activity of an adult with a child. This includes assault and abuse. I do not and will not stand for it in any form.

Prostitutes would be legalised and cleaned up as an industry. Male and female. Selling the body is not dangerous when in a controlled environment.

haha brets standing up for the prostitutes!

I agree, Bret, but paedophelia outside of statutory rape is dictated... how? Thats what I have been trying to get at. If it is the same thing, then thats fine. I just wanted to know if you meant it differently.

Prostitution should be legalized. I agree full heartedly with Bret. If it is controlled and there is manditory STD testing, safety precautions, etc. then it shouldnt be a problem. If a man or woman wants to sell his or her body, let them.

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Revenge is good. I wont lie.

lol, that its the SAME THING. Paedophelia in any form is staturoty rape. I wanted to know if Bret thought that being with a person over the age of concent but still with a big age difference was paedophelia and if it should be punishable, because that's how it sounded to me.

No point, I'm just having an off day, lol.

Prostitution should be legalized? I'm not saying anything against the actual prostitutes, but come on, wouldn't it be much nicer without the occupation, because most of the people doing it don't have a good life, plus a lot of them get murdered, and what about the people who go to the prostitutes? Isn't it always said that you should be in love to have sex, so sex wouldn't mean zip all between the 2 people. Shouldn't it? and a lot of these guys have wifes and families at home, when/if they found out that their husband/dad did that, they would be really upset. Sorry, I just don't think prostitution is worth it.

Prostitution should be legalized because it would take much of the appeal out of the profession. It wouldnt be rebelious, taboo, yes, but not as blatantly black market-drug dealing- type thing. If the industry is monitered it is less likely there will be killings, STD's, etc. and the fact that sex should be monogomous and with someone you love is mainly a religious teaching. I personally agree that it should be, but not all people do, and we cant make a law against selling sex based upon a moral value. If its not hurting anyone but the two (or more) people involved, then it is not the laws place to stand in the way. It is not directly mind altering like drugs are, so there is no benefit or reason why it should be unlawful. If this is the land of the free, start acting like it and stop imposing religious views on those of us that just want to live our own lives. Our bodies are not property of the State or Nation. They are OURS.

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But there are two categories: Rape & statutory rape.

Paedophelia is one of those two. It is not a category punishable by/ in itself. Thats all.

I wasnt being technical in my first post. I wasnt thinking the whole thing through clearly enough... it is not always staturoty rape, it is always some form of rape or lewdness, which I believe goes under the rape charges. I dont know enough about rape to say that it is, but the law already covers all categories of paedophelia, so I didnt see why it was mentioned as an INDEPENDENT charge that could be punishable by death.

Well I was trying to get people to draw the conclusion themselves, obviously it didnt work.

I will spell it pedophilia from now on, but I have only seen it spelled the other way. Kind of like "spelt," ;)

By the way, we dont want any black marks on your record, even though its a typo:

"staturoty" isnt a word no matter where you live ;)

I'm not angry or anything, but I'm just wondering Kaitlyn Kristina if u said I was imposing and pushing my religious views, because I wasn't in any way. Just stating my own opinion, but still I'm not sure if u were directing that at me. Just wanted to say that in case it was.

Rachel- I dont know what you are talking about. Is it in this post? I dont direct any comments towords people unless I address them, if your name wasnt there, it probably wasnt meant as a personal thing towords you.

Anyway, my record has tons of black spelling marks, so thats ok ;)

And pedophelia in itself is not a charge. It goes under all the other forms of lewdness and rape, child pornography, etc.

An eye for an eye...

Okay picture this to all the people that are strongly against the death penalty...

Its your mother/father/sister/brother/daughter/son that is murdered - does your opinion towards the murderer who took the life of one of YOUR loved ones now change?

I tell you - I wouldn't need the death penalty, if someone touched either of my sons, their father or my immediate family - I would personally take their lives and do it with great pleasure and zero regrets...

Just my thoughts - Eirisa-

Well- I have actually given this thought (creepy, I know), and if I HAD to die by being put to death:

I would go guillotine all the way.

You know, that thing that chops your head off. I figure its the fastest.

an eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth. if someone takes someone elses life theirs should also be taken.

I don't see how biblical statements can be used to back this, purely from the contradictory nature of the bible.

Turn the other cheek.

There is no life apart from God's love. Therefore, there is no life apart from forgiveness, for forgiveness is the seal, the mark, and the proof of Love.

In Hebrews 9:22, it says, "In fact, under the Law, almost everything is purified by means of blood, and without the shedding of blood, there is neither release from sin and its guilt nor the remission of the due and merited punishment for sins"

So there are arguments for and against in the bible.

The reason I chose public crucifixion is because it's slow, painful and a great deterrent. There is no religious connotation.

There.. nice and secular.

Bert

(I hate secular.)

I think men who have commited rape/sexual assault should have their bits nipped off! (Obviously as well as norml punishment - prison etc etc) Not very practical I know, but would definitely stop reoffending!

Capital punishment is a social cop-out, i've said it before in here. We as a society aren't allowing outselves to be sophisicated and caring enough to deal with the problems people have that create the situations where they become sexually deviant, repressed to the point of murder etc etc...and as for drugs, well, it's all about intent and the mentality of the user and dealer.

A few years ago my younger half sister was nearly pulled into a car by a group of people who happened to own a restaurant near the centre of town. My brother and i wrecked that restuarant and beat up 3 of the men who had been in the car. Nothing was solved or made better except we got in trouble with the police...nothing was healed, we felt better for five minutes...but it's just not the way.

Oh and chopping off a mans organs solves nothing except he won't be able to use his penis to attack someone...the mental urge wil still be there, the psychological urge...thats what we need to fight.

I am a firm believer in an eye for an eye. Whatever you do to someone- should come back to you.

There was a story a couple of yrs ago about a woman who locked her kids in her car ( in carseats), rolled up the windows, and rolled the car off in a lake- she didn't want the pressure of being a mother so she killed her 2 small children they were both under the age of 7. That woman should have been put in a car and rolled off in a lake but she's not - she's in jail. Bullshit

Oh and chopping off a mans organs solves nothing except he won't be able to use his penis to attack someone...the mental urge wil still be there, the psychological urge...thats what we need to fight.

Removing testes removes testosterone production which has already been proven to lessen and or nullify sexual appetite in sex offenders.

lol, we have the answer then.

Guillotine the balls of any sexual offender (or just someone with too much testosterone for societys own good) and the worlds problems are solved ;)

Thanks Bret :-) See everyone there was reason behind my madness! lol

We've been going by 'a life for a life' for nmillenia and we're stringer than ever.

Just thought of something. Kevin, if we are to evolve as a society is it better to eliminate those who degrade it fully or just give them free board and lodging for twenty years so they can get out, rinse and repeat?

I'll tell you what Bret, killing problem cases ain't cheap either, catching them ain't cheap....trying to reform them ain't cheap! And no, most expensive of all is housing them for a decade or two...i don't agree with that either...another cop-out.

What i'm talking about is social reform, the destruction of social inhibitions[ mainly sexual ones] and inequalities[mainly class and money ones] that create most of these unbalanced criminal people, as opposed to just killing them/imprisoning them until the end of time.

It's like that test they used to have in the old asylums for insanity. They'd turn on the tap of a bath and let it overflow, and then introduce the patient. The theory was, that if they were insane, they would trying to stop the water from falling out the bath, but if they were ok, they would turn off the water at the source, which was the tap.

Now, capital punishment is trying to stop the water of crime, and education and social awareness from all levels of the superstructure being improved is turning off the tap.

I think it depends on what type of murder. Say I was drunk behind the wheel and killed someone. Then realized omg i f*cking killed someone. No I don't think the death pentaly is something I'm leaning towards. And the reason I used this example is because my great grandfather was killed by a drunk driver.

I do think people who are serial killers who can not be reformed should have a death pentaly. By total Vaperation. VaVoom here one second gone the next lol.

Drunk driving is manslaughter, it was accidental and is not punishable by death. (Well not here anyways, I guess I don't know about everywhere; but I don't think it is.) So a drunk driving death really wouldn't fit into a topic about murder and the death penalty?

Personally, I am against the death penality. It's completely hypocritical. How does killing someone send the message that killing is wrong?

Now of course, if someone murdered one of my family members I would obviously just want to kill them. But does that make it right? You're hurting their families and everyone who cared about them and putting them through the same thing you just went through (and obviously didn't deal with very well.)

And if that family also believed in an eye for an eye, then they would come after you, and then someone back to them and so on. It just really wouldn't work out too well, would it?

yah, I agree that rapists are very bad people, but I don't know about the death penalty, a veryvery long time in prison I think would teach them their lesson, hopefully.