Please help spread the word against this execution

Dear pnq'ers,

Must be odd to see me on here since I don't often post. However this is important and I'd like you all to help out if you feel you disagree with indonesia's decision to execute six people. The following link is a petition to stop it. I would like to say, however, that one of the people getting executed was charged for dealing drugs (I'm not sure if there was legal evidence though). I'm just saying so you know what you're signing for, though I believe execution should never be an answer.

https://secure.avaaz.org/nl/petition/President_van_de_Republiek_Indonesie_Genade_voor_de_zes_ter_dood_veroordeelden_die_geexecuteerd_gaan_worden/?rc=fb&pv=3

If possible, please sign and share.

Thanks in advance. I don't really know what else to say.

There are 4.5 hours left until the decision about the execution becomes final.

EDIT: figured might need translation of the site lol.

Naam = name
e-mail = e-mail address
Land = country you're from
Postcode = postal code
Teken = sign

Ehh,

verenigde staten = united states
verenig koninkrijk = united kingdom

It's been confirmed by the lawyer already. Petition was fruitless. Still, thank you if anyone signed. Mods please delete this thread?

That one of the people getting executed was charged for dealing drugs

^^^

Actually, 5 of them were found guilty of drug trafficking and the 6th (a Dutch national) was found guilty of operating an ecstasy factory.

I have been to Indonesia so many times that I've lost count so I can confirm that it is very clear from numerous posters/announcements/ leaflets etc that Indonesia is VERY vigilante in their approach to drugs no matter what amount is involved, they just do not tolerate it and...EVERYONE knows the consequences if you are caught offending. Do I feel sorry for the people executed yesterday...no, not in the slightest, they would have know the risks...I do feel sorry for the families that are left behind. Execution by firing squad isn't a pleasant image but...it's the law of that country and the offenders would have been very aware of that.

All that being said, this government is very corrupt and drugs are available in the streets quite readily so...doubt standards for sure :)

Execution is not the right punishment no matter what they were guilty of! I hate this world.

Execution is not a nice word I agree and it conjures up images that most will find hard to deal with but...Indonesia and many other Asian countries for that matter state quite clearly that..if found guilty of drug offences it will result in life imprisonment or the death penalty (death penalty doesn't sound as bad I guess) in Indonesia it's the firing squad...Singapore..it's a hanging..so the very clear message in Asian countries...DO NOT EVEN CONSIDER DRUG SMUGGLING!

Much worse things than dealing with drugs happen there, and what are the consequences? It depends on how powerful and rich you are.
I'm sure they wouldn't dare sell drugs if their families weren't starving.

Yes..but this thread is about drugs and the consequences of risking the inevitable if you try to smuggle them into a country which clearly states that the death penalty could apply if you are caught trafficking.

They were not found guilty of selling drugs... the were found guilty of trafficking them and operating a drug factory... were these people poor ? my ass they were !

I can understand where you're coming from Hellon, and yes these people did something wrong. But I've always believed that death penalty is no punishment to the one who commited crimes, it's a punishment to the family. I see no justice there. I would've agreed with lifelong imprisonment to have them atone for what they did wrong. Maybe I just can't fathom the existence of a death sentence.

And you're right about all 6 being involved with the drugs and the dutch one being involved in the factory. I didn't know the latter personally, but I know his children and wife.

I was raised with the belief that the fifth commandment was "Thou shalt not kill. "
It was just last year I learned that many know it as the sixth by protestants worded "thou shalt not murder" . The only difference between a homicide and a murder as far as I can tell is justification . The culture of death is in all hemispheres of the world . I don't expect anyone to respond but wonder if anybody gives a big rats......

Dr. Brennan: He defined the culture of death as a lethal mentality possessing an unlimited capacity for engulfing a wide range of victims and employed an inclusive perspective for highlighting "whatever is opposed to life itself," such as genocide, abortion, euthanasia, suicide, experimental exploitation of human beings, slavery, torture, mutilation rituals, and a host of other infamies. An ominous feature of this increasingly monolithic mindset, the pope revealed, is "a war of the powerful against the weak: a life which requires greater acceptance, love and care is considered useless, or held to be an intolerable burden, and is therefore rejected in one way or another." He called this phenomenon "a truly alarming spectacle, if we consider not only how extensively attacks are spreading but also their unheard-of numerical proportion, and the fact that they receive widespread legal approval and the involvement of certain sectors of health-care personnel."

http://www.poems-and-quotes.com/discussion/topic.html?topic_id=142840

So the fact that these people (had they gotten away with their crime) could potentially have harmed and perhaps cause death through overdose to others not come into the equation? They were not carrying drugs for their own recreational purposes remember.

Their crimes were committed a number of years ago so, I'm pretty sure they will have had enough time to exhaust the Indonesian Government with every appeal that they were entitled to. Next up, it would seem, are two Australians who were part of a group now known as the Bali Nine who were actually trying to smuggle drugs out of Bali...the two, who were the ringleaders, are expected t be executed later this month.

I must admit that I am not as emotionally invested in these executions as the ones committed often in the US by cops who are afraid of everything that could happen so they just shoot at anything they are afraid of and when or if it is investigated they bring up the toxicology of the homicide victim

Production, transit, import and possession of narcotics (Law No. 22/1997 on Narcotics)
If the US executed everyone that has possessed narcotics our economy and airplanes would be as shitty as Indonesians

Well Michael...the law in USA regarding drugs is far more lenient than in some Asian countries...I'm not saying which is right or wrong but...when you visit a county just abide by their rules and you will be ok.

Everyone in the US is trigger happy IMO...it's your lenient gun laws man...I've said this over and over again...

Indonesian's shitty airplanes? What do you mean by that?

Indonesian's shitty airplanes?

Great sarcasm

Sorry...still don't get what you mean?

. Find and book cheap flight tickets to any destination in Indonesia and Asia Pacific.

How many flights went missing in your country last year?

What??? Can you just come right out and say which airline you're referring to because there are many airlines that flying to Indonesia...I'm confused???

How many flights went missing in your country last year?

I'm not sure...private planes, there were a few. Why are you being so cagey? You mentioned shitty Indonesian airplanes so...what do you mean?

You have all the information you need.. try the urban dictionary lmao

shitty

Shitty is Of very poor quality; highly inferior.

OK...I get it now...you're taking the piss? (laughing on the inside)

Although...you still have not stated which Indonesian airline you consider to be shitty so...can we just focus on that...which one where you referring to? Stop trying to side track Mike...you made a statement now it's time to back it up...

The ones that lost their planes. dah

And...they are????

This is now getting boring for me...

Pretty?

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/perspective/features/2014/12/28/Missing-Air-Asia-flight-is-third-Malaysia-linked-incident-in-2014.html

Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 is still missing after 10 months, and investigators are looking

AirAsia Flight QZ8501

Well, as you said Michael, these planes are all Malaysian operated nothing to do with Indonesia.

The first one...no trace has been found so the reason for it's disappearance is not clear.

2nd one....well it was shot out of the sky.

3rd one...they have located one of the black boxes but nothing has been published about any findings so far, therefore you can't really call they shitty planes either I don't think.

Point taken I don't wish to stereotype Islam either

Islam is the predominant religion in Indonesia, and 88% of the country's population are followers.

I am praying that if I ever had to live in a place like that I would be among the first to be shot shaken to death or carried home by a tsunami
praise the merciful Lord

I meant to say city airlines

http://youtu.be/w1qkdKGgV9M

I'm not sure what Islam has to do with executions or shitty airlines...sorry..should that be city airlines?

And Michael...you haven't lived there so you have no idea what it's like... just what you see/hear in the media. Most of it is beautiful...the people in general are also beautiful but, like every other country, a few bad apples can make tho whole barrel appear to be rotten.

I don't expect the latest publicity will inspire masses to book an Asian Air flight to Indonesia but I have never flown and have no plains to any time soon, so nothing is lost on me lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesia_AirAsia

If you've never flown then you really are not at liberty to judge or pass an opinion on any airline, regardless of which country you believe it operates from. I have travelled with Air Asia on several occasions and, for a budget airline they are ok...shit all over Virgin and Qantas for that matter.

I have also flown with Malaysian and found no fault with them either so....it's just your luck Michael...I think, it's because a lot of people die in the one hit when a plane crashes but, it's still the safest way to travel and....that's a statistic.