Trump

So, Americans. Are any of you going to talk about this guy at all? Just so very curious to know how some of you feel about him. Don't be shy.

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Author Emily Litella

What's all the fuss about Donald Thump
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It's too early for this nonsense. As a republican, I don't claim him.

A lot can happen from now to then, but I don't see Hilary Clinton being voted into presidency. There's a good chance it will be neither of them, but if it is, I can only see it being Trump. Hate him or love him, he says what he thinks and people certainly like theatrics, and he is nothing if not theatrical.
Just think, Brits, if Boris ever became prime minister! Now there's a special relationship.
Hey, if Arnie's good enough to be governor......

If trump gets elected in, I think us Canadians are just going to have to build us a wall, a great big wall, with a big fat door in the middle, so people can come in legally, and we're going to get our southern neighbours to pay for it.

I think Clinton is electable, which is absolutely terrifying to me. If our ticket is Clinton/Trump to vote on.... I honestly question just how far America really has fallen.

I don't think Trump says what HE thinks. I think he says what he thinks others want to hear (he may be more politician than I thought lol). He once said as a democrat, if he ever ran for presidency, he would run as a republican because of how stupid they are. He's proving republicans right I guess lol. This mans words show him to be so racist and sexist. The fact that anyone has been taking him seriously honestly makes my heart hurt.

There's always the possibility that trump just might step down after winning the needed delegates, and ask his supporters to throw their support for Cruz on the republican side, rubio just recently dropped out, I think the only other viable candidates is Kasich?

I really hope that's the case here, he's like Clinton in the sense that he's pandering to their audience, Clinton will backtrack on statements saying X one day, Y another, and Trump just breeds fear and ignorance. Trump has has 673 delegates to Cruz's 411 and they need 1237 delegates to win the nomination, so anything might happen.

Clinton has 1606 to Sander's 851, and they need 2308 delegates to win the nomination, so unless Sanders can muster an upset over Clinton, it seems like she's on route to be the nominee on the democrats side.

Really hoping that Trump steps down.

Mark - people have been hoping that for a while now but I just don't see it happening after the hard work and success he's had so far.
It really does beggar belief that a man like that can be (as of this point) the probable favourite for the presidency in this time. I guess there is more hate and mistrust in the world than people acknowledge. Like it or not, there are an awful lot of people out there who like him - and that's terrifying.
I say again, though, I don't see Clinton as a viable option - she's as crooked as most politicians. Trump may be a jumped up lout, but he didn't get to where he is because he is silly - and that's even more terrifying.

Ultimately, I agree with Britt - the fact that they are the two leading candidates for either party at the moment really is a sad state of affairs....

God help us all.

Mark, I appreciate your comment... but do you really think a man who has the ego and pride the size of this universe is going to step down? Lol We can all hope, wish, pray, whatever it is we do, but I just don't see that happening.

I'm not a fan of either, to be honest. Clinton has nothing new to say, her ideals are all over the place, and she'll say anything to get a vote. As a woman, I'd really really love to see the first female president! But I'd hate for it to be Clinton. If I think back to when Obama was running initially, I just remember everyone around me being so excited, cause he really sounded like he would make positive changes overall. Clinton does absolutely none of those things. Also, I saw a video recently of her interacting with a young intern who was questioning her on #blacklivesmatter issues. Her reaction was really disgusting.

Trump, on the other hand, is a huge waste of space who has absolutely no place in the political arena. At least Clinton (and even the other republican candidates-- though I don't like any of them either) displays some professionalism overall. Trump has said the most heinous things about women, about Muslims, about immigrants. My biggest fear is that he'll get elected and become the face of the US in international politics. How long, do you think, before all of our (already shoddy) international dealings fall all the way through because he can't stop insulting world leaders publicly and on his joke of a twitter account? Please, please no.

One thing I can say, though, is that I've become increasingly more aware of what a spectacle American politics is. It's not really that surprising that one of the main contenders runs a beauty pageant. I mean, look at the way our media treats these politicians? It's almost like watching the Kardashians, like, they give equal screen time to discussing what Kim's named her kid to the absolutely absurd wall Trump wants to build. Not to mention, the president can't do a thing for this country one way or another without a drastic restructuring of congress and the senate. I'm honestly a Bernie fan (by a small margin, granted) but even I recognize that all the cool things Bernie wants to do won't happen if the rest of the politicians that be stay in their power-hungry Washington houses. This country needs a third party, it needs an overhaul of the voting system, and it needs to stop getting in its own way at every turn.

Did anyone see that Canada's running for president? I'd vote for you, Canada.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCyzdD0vYOw

Also, I think I'm moving to England. So.

I would take a yellow dog over Trump and I'm not even a democrat. (Not a republican either.)

One study showed that the people most likely to support Trump are those who want an authoritarian government - one that will roll over social niceties and civil rights to get "the Job" done.

What the job is that Trump would do is anyone's guess, as he refuses to be held accountable for anything he says. When he is called out on anything that he feels can damage him his solution is to deny ever saying it. In fact he actually calls the other person a liar for calling him out.

Encouraging violence against hecklers also has me reflecting back on the early 1930s when the the same tactic was used by Hitler to quash opposition.

Come to think of it, it was Hitler's second in command who came up with the idea that if you tell the same lie over and over people begin to believe it. (This is a trait Trump certainly does not have exclusively as a politician - he's simply been blatant in his practice of it..)

"As a woman, I'd really really love to see the first female president! But I'd hate for it to be Clinton."

^I love that comment, Narph. Actually, everything you had to say in that post is how I feel about things. Especially about Trump.

It's so easy for us to live inside our bubbles and ignore the fact that there is so much hatred, racism, and discrimination still going in the world. And those who support Trump support those awful things. I couldn't imagine how much damage he would do as President, and I couldn't see him stepping down if elected (he would have too much power). If he is elected, I would go as far to say that we very well could head towards war with the countries that he is going to piss off or even a war within our own. I don't think that is that far out there.

Bernie is wonderful. Even if he was unable to do all of the things that he wants to do, it would still be a step in the right direction. I think there is still hope for him, the Washington State Caucus takes place the 26th and that could make an impact.

Scotland hates Donald Trump. We learned to hate him when he tried to push a Scottish family out of their home to make way for a part of his golf course. Then he made legal moves to block the creation of a wind turbine farm nearby, despite it making a substantial improvement in Scotland's green energy plan. He lost on both counts.

Here is the trailer for the documentary about it "You've Been Trumped"

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=You%27ve+been+trumped

America is being held over a barrel and assaulted by big business, banking corporations and politicians who play to money and the answer to that is elect or take seriously a man who comes from the very people who are destroying your country.

The UK is in the grips of a war between the republican clones the Conservative Party and the Democratic/Libertarian forces of Labour and Jeremy Corbyn...so don't think I'm preaching from a better place. We're all equalling getting screwed over.

Our only hope lies in the Proles..

I've had the unwanted privilege of meeting him on two occasions , wasn't all that impressed, he's a vile , ignorant human being, and definitely a divider who thinks his money entitles him to do and say whatever he wants. His father was a well known racist and that basically should tell you all you need to know, and most people think he is a smart business man, he's not, everything he has tried on his own has failed miserably except his developing company where he bilks people out of their money and has actually gotten close to a billion dollars in corporate welfare....I fear for this country if him or anyone like him is ever elected president, he will most likely start world war 3 or at the very least a civil war.

It's kind of fun to watch the Republican party get so divided over this guy. I'm a strong conservative as you all know, and it's really showing peoples hands when they start to tell me about how wonderful Trump is. It really makes me question their judgment or cognitive state. The media is a pile of horse poo. We're screwed.

I'm completely, utterly horrified that Trump has as many supporters as he does. It gives me anxiety. Every time I think about him or his campaign, my heart races and I am queasy with disgust. If he's elected (dare I admit that it could happen?), he'll cause uprisings across the country and maybe create a WWIII. A war caused because all other countries hate us and want to destroy us.

Why on earth would we give a moronic hot-head and terrible businessman the status of Commander-in-Chief of our Armed Forces? Is no one else freaking out about this!?

Here's the common rhetoric from Trump supporters: "He tells it like it is."
If telling it like it is means when a candidate literally says, "I tell it like it is," followed by a bigoted opinion or a ludicrous idea, then sure, I guess he tells it like it is. And IT is horrendous. He's a violent, fear-mongering jerk. He's a total brat. If he doesn't get what he wants or someone teases him, his face turns red like a tomato. Give a guy like that the Presidency and you might as well give the class bully a loaded gun. If he doesn't pull the trigger, he'll at least cause terror and chaos.

I have never in my life despised a member of the Republican party before Trump. Hell, a few candidates that dropped out early? I could've gotten on board. Well, I could've at least wrapped my head around them as President.

I'm not strongly in support of any of the candidates now. I'm strongly against Trump. Against Cruz. Disillusioned with Clinton. Doubtful of Sanders.

*and breathe*

EDIT:
This country needs a third party, it needs an overhaul of the voting system, and it needs to stop getting in its own way at every turn.

^ Narph, I agree with your last 2, but I'm actually more in favor of eliminating parties completely rather than adding more. I think it creates division and disallows candidates from being as moderate as they otherwise might be.

Out of the bunch we have, my vote would have to go to Cruz. Honestly I highly favorited Carson in the beginning, and then Rubio, but now that both are gone, Cruz is my personal choice by default. We'll never find a politician in our own "party" we totally agree with, and we'll never find one the entire country can get behind... and that's just sad to me, but I guess I get it.

Jane & Britt:

Hmm, I hear what you're saying. I think it can be really difficult to vote in this country. We're divided into two parties who constantly try to make the other look bad, and when voting time comes, it can be really difficult (I think) to look at the candidates' overall potential effect when the party lines (particularly as they relate to social issues) are so unyielding. Like, for instance, I haven't really spent a huge amount of time considering the benefits of a normative conservative stance on spending, because I'm too busy being concerned about losing abortion rights. Likewise, I imagine there are voters out there who, despite siding with the democratic party overall, wouldn't vote for a democratic candidate because pro-life is so important to them, which I can understand.

At this point, it seems like the candidates who make it as nominees are the ones who argue as hard as they can for one extreme or the other, because this country is actually so so so divided on social issues that we literally balk at the idea of having someone in charge who might disagree with our opinion. And those opinions are only allowed to be black and white in a two party system. (I'm citing pro-choice/pro-life because that's important to me, personally, but you can imagine any number of other issues that people are strongly divided on...)

I'd just like to see other parties that draw from both democratic and republican viewpoints. I'd like more options, honestly, cause none of our current options are all that appealing. And I'd love the opportunity to get to really see a candidate's whole package, so to speak, in terms of what they specifically want to bring to the table, aside from the normal way the parties split.

Of course, this is only possible if we change the voting system entirely, which is totally unlikely, because the system as it is right now favors the people who are in power. Bernie is doing great in terms of getting his voice out there, but really, compared to Hilary, he belongs in a different party. I think some people might argue the same about Trump verses the other republican candidates. Either way, the system is super messed up.

Did you know that two elections ago there was an independent candidate (who had, like, a very decent following of supporters) who was forcefully detained by police on her way to debate with the democratic and republican nominees? She was actually held in a jail cell for the entirety of the debate. That is how messed up our party system is. They will not let anyone else in.

Watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo

And this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y3jE3B8HsE

And really the rest of his videos cause I think they're incredibly helpful in understanding how the system is flawed.

I'm with Jane and many others, trump makes me vomit.

Narph, you are so right.

Narph,
I agree the voting system must change. I never liked the electoral college system. It above all else prohibits a meaningful third party.
I'd like to experiment with pure democracy:
Let the majority leaders win after adding up all the states.
Also, let congress be represented by state wide tallies with parties winning seats in proportion to their percentage of the popular votes.

BTW, Bernie Sanders was a member of the Liberty Union party until 1979 and was then Independent until just last year. He would be the first Socialist elected President.

Trump, on the other hand, ran in 2000 seeking the Reform Party nomination. Back then he vehemently attacked Pat Buchanan as a Hitler lover and "focused his campaign on the issues of fair trade, eliminating the national debt, and achieving universal healthcare." (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign,_2000).

His father was a well known racist and that basically should tell you all you need to know

^^^

Bob..just wondering what you're basing this statement on? All I could find was that Trump Senior was arrested at some point for being involved with the KKK but was never convicted...is there anything else?

Jane

I do understand your viewpoint. I, too, have wondered just how damaging it could be for the USA if someone like Trump gains the presidency.
Potentially, it really could be a disaster, at home and abroad.
However, I can't help feeling that should he be voted into office, his comments will suddenly become much more benign (as they already have to a degree) and he won't be quite the ignorant twit he is now (on a public stage, anyway)

On the other hand, I am aware how entirely ignorant and naïve that comment may prove to be.....

We're talking about someone with his sized ego... I've never seen any humility from him.

Though usually once someone gets in office they do the opposite of everything they ran on... lol.

Him and donald were sued for refusing to rent to black people....it's a well documented case.....

as for his rhetoric changing if we are ever dumb enough to let him get in the white house, you can wash a tiger all day long, the stripes won't disappear

spreading hatred in this country is tolerated, but other countries in power won't respect our freedom of speech amendment nor our constitution, I actually think some leaders like Putin and others would like to see him in office because they just want an excuse to attack us once and for all, and this nitwit thinks we are the most powerful country, we aren't anymore, China and Japan could buy and sell us, wait China already has.....

Bob,

On balance, I probably have to agree with you. Still, we can be ever optimistic....

I am very conservative as is Britt. The person I would have voted for isn't even running, Allen West. That man has the knowledge and intellect to run this country. Do you know who he is before you Google or search him?

On a side note.... If you don't keep up with politics and look at every aspect of each individual then you shouldn't bother voicing an opinion on voting.
Too many times people don't fact check on a candidate only going on hear say or Facebook b.s.
That's a check of a way to get voted in or against.

Hilary would be the worst mistake america could make at this point.

If Trump does not get enough delegates it is possible for Paul Ryan to get nomination at convention. While he hasn't and says he probably won't have to denounce Trump, Paul Ryan would be an acceptable ticket run.

You ask Paul Ryan hasn't even run for President how can he get nomination? Politics folks! Our votes don't really matter, it's all a game.

I really like Allen West, too. (Wait, I'm a conservative, I thought I was supposed to be racist).

Speaking of that, I actually got told that I was freaking sexist against my own gender because I wouldn't vote for Hilary.

Can we all make a promise to stop being stupid? We shouldn't vote for someone based on gender or race. That's like saying y'all should vote for me for President because I'm a woman, like it makes me privileged. That's not equality.

Yes, for some reason people equate conservatives with racism. I didn't mention Mr. Wests color, because it doesn't matter. I think it's sad that all this b.s. has come into the equation. We've always had mudslinging but this is downright shitslinging childish he said she said they did this.

I don't know about conservatives and racism. I obviously don't think either of you you are racist. But my grandfather was conservative, and sometimes he said really racist things. I think it's more that every time I've seen someone be very vocally and aggressively racist about something, they've come from a predominantly conservative area. Maybe it's a fluke. Although right now, Trump isn't really helping that cause at all. Scared to think people might vote for him when he makes children feel unsafe because of their race.

^we should have an I love this post button on here, I'll continue this after I pick up my son from school, I don't type as fast as you guys........but I want to address the trump voters, and the women bias thing......Like Arnold, "I'll be back"....lol

As to the phenomenal following of donald trump supporters, much of it actually is racism and religious hatred, sure many of them disguise it as we love that he is not part of the establishment, but they haven't done their research and don't even care to, because he has been part of the establishment for the past 3 decades , buying political favors, which means he himself is a self interest group, then they say, he says what Americans are feeling, what Americans, surely not how I feel, and yet they are right. Racism works both ways, white society has been under attack for a long time because of their genocides towards the Inidians, the african americans, the hispanics and the asians and now the middle east, you can only keep dominating and controlling people for so long before they'll rise up and eventually fight back, but alas' there are many whites who are feeling these attacks and also fighting back, they feel that trump wants a lily white america where the white man is and should be entitled, but what they don't understand is that trump could care less about them, even called them less intelligent and basically stupid, and they love him even more, go figure.......you control people by keeping them divided, and people are starting to figure it out, with dumb ass ways of fighting it, but they are figuring it out none the less....If the impoverished ever got a true leader in this country, the government would be overthrown and out on their ass in a heartbeat.....

Now as for Hillary, I'm a hillary supporter, is she flawed, without a doubt, but one thing she is , she's loyal, she could have pointed the finger on so many that deserve to be under fire, but she hasn't, she's taken it all head on, no other candidate has been under more scrutiny then she has in the history of elections, nobody......she has Bill in her corner, like him or not, the country flourished when he was president.......I personally think she'll be a great president, but I don't think she will make it, I think those in power, big business, can't stand the thought of a woman running the show, I don't know if she'll be indicted, but they'll try something. I also think she has more balls than any of the men running, especially trump, he's a loud mouth behind the podium, but a draft dodger, and hides behind his security.....No you shouldn't vote for her because she's a woman, some will and a lot won't because she is a woman. an uneducated vote is the worst kind of tyranny.....either way you look at it, it's a circus show with a bunch of clowns running......Bernie would collapse the economy, trump would start world war three, cruz is definitely the one against the establishment, none of them like him, and Kasich is actually the best choice, but can't get there....Carson and Christie sold their souls for a position......it's a mess, and the whole process is flawed, and we've never seen anything like this ever, pass the popcorn

LOL Bob.

I know liberals who are racist. I know conservatives who are racist. Racism is a heart issue, not a political issue. I have actually befriended an African-American, that said "you know, I figured you were racist because you're from a small town and conservative".. .well.. thanks? lol. Anytime I talk politics and disagree with our current President, I have been told "Oh, you're just being racist!". No... I disagree with his politics. I disagree with Biden, too, and he's a white man. Don't like Bernie, either. Not them as a person -- them as a politician. For groups of people (this is both parties, not one side of the other) for being so black and white (con vs lib), it's amazing we can't differentiate politician versus person. I can disagree with someones politics and not hate -them-. Blah blah blah, lol.

I realize now I use black and white as in there are no gray areas... bahaha. Good grief. Where's my coffee.

I never understood the comments about racism when it comes to Barrack Obama, I mean what part do you hate, the white part or the black part, and where are these parts located.....people who fall into racism are very stupid, because in reality we are all related, no, not by the bible, but by blood, I guarantee if everyone traces their family tree back far enough and I don't care who you are, lines have been crossed, you could be white as snow and have distant cousins darker than night and vice versa, that's why being a racist is probably the dumbest thing in life.

Pass the popcorn indeed! Kasich - I am baffled that he's still in the race! It's definitely going to be between Cruz or Trump vs Hilary. Wonder who their VP choices would be? I haven't paid that close attention lately.

Well Abby, does that answer your question about Trump? haha

I never assume anyone is racist or sexist, and voting for someone because they're black or a woman is as silly as voting against them because they're black or a woman. Yes, separate the person from the politics.
I'm going to eat my own words and say: the person can be relevant too. Having someone in office who is considered a minority or female is inspiring for other minorities or females, especially children. I was watching an episode of The Office and a character named Darrel (a black man) plays a role in Michael's hokey action movie that takes years to film. He accepts the role (President of the U.S.) so that his daughter can see a black man as our country's leader. It is vital for kids to see themselves in our leaders, recent past or present. I agree with Obama's politics and think he has done a lot of good for our country. Given more time, I think he'd heal more of our wounds. He is also a black man with a beautiful black family, and that's very cool for kids from every background to see. I drove through Oakland the day he was elected and WOW, what a time to be alive. That moment meant everything to a lot of people. He's a man, he's a politician, and he was a symbol of progress the day he walked into the Oval.
Race matters. Colorblindness is considered by sociologists the new racism. Saying "I don't see your race" not only devalues everything that person has experienced throughout their life because of race (because racism goes beyond a feeling; it's still institutionalized), but you're also most likely lying unless you're blind. Most people are immediately aware of race. It's engrained.
I'm going way off point now.
Of course nobody should vote for Hillary because she's a woman. She is a woman though. It would be great to have a woman in office someday. I know I said it'd be great for kids to see, but jeez, it'd even be great for me to see. I'd like to know it's possible.

I agree with Narph. Conservatives are not racist, but outspoken racists tend to be conservative maybe.
Britt, you're also right. I know several people who consider themselves liberal and they're racist and sexist. They vote liberal, and then they say things like, "we're women, we're emotional and we like to gossip," or, "I'm hoping for gentrification, I'm sorry if that's racist, but I mean, don't be ghetto" (while gesturing with her hand at black people), or to my boyfriend, "Wow, nice job on that bar table, Kevin," when I'm the one who designed and built it.
My mom even said the other day: "Women can think about a lot of things at the same time, but men are more simple and can only think about one thing at a time." WHAT!? LOL. Imagine my eye roll.

When I say I don't see someone's race, I mean that as a factor in determining whether I like or will help the person. For example, I work in social services. I treat a black man the same as I treat a white man. I do not give preference or favor to one over the other. I also don't not (double negative, ew) like someone because they're black (or white, or Asian etc). Race isn't a determining factor in likability to me. Absolutely I see race, I see culture, and I see cultural differences. I just don't say "well you're Hispanic, I don't like you"... nah, that's not me. I appreciate and respect the differences, but deep down, we're all of the human race, and personality is what determines friendship to me. Is anything I'm saying the colorblindness you speak of? I so don't mean that as snooty as it probably sounds, lol, I'm genuinely trying to learn more about the topic.

My favorite is when we're out to dinner and people make comments that I'm the woman, I shouldn't pay for our meals. My husband and I have a joint bank account.... lol. Regardless, what if he's my brother and it's his birthday? I just hate comments lol

Men and women are different.. we just are. We're not equally the same (biologically etc), but it doesn't mean one should get treated with any less or more respect.

Hey guys, we've been talking about all this stuff and no one is arguing. Are we feeling okay?

I disagree, what are yo$%&*&^**&(*&*R%I*^^*^

feel better now.....lmao

^^

What a turd.

No arguments here. My wife and I share a joint account too. I can't envisage it working any other way, personally.
All I will say is that, in terms of treating women differently, there's a fine line, isn't there? I think it's nice to treat women as ladies and hold the door open for them, stand up when they come to the table, offer to pay for dinner etc - does that make me sexist? Absolutely not. It's because I have such huge respect for women that I like to see these things still apply. I do think that sometimes men can be maligned unfairly. Offer these things and sometimes we are sexist; don't give up your chair for a lady and your an ignorant pig! It can be confusing sometimes.
As for race, we shouldn't pretend we are the same - we should respect and celebrate our wonderful differences.

All the best