Brexit???

I know we have a few UK members on here so...if you don't mind saying, how did you vote? What are things like over there right now? Your pound has taken a bashing today so...what will the long term effects be? I believe Scotland wanted out...and probably Ireland...not sure how the votes went with Wales but, England was a mixed bag. I do remember my dad never wanted to join in the first place and that was over 40 years ago (I think) so...what's going on over there? How about members from other countries...how is affecting you?

A majority of Scotland wanted to stay, and I think the same is true of north Ireland? I think Scotland would start pushing to leave the UK to rejoin the EU.

Really didn't think a brexit would be happening. What exactly does this entail for the NHS? The EU could've intervened, providing assistance or something. Seems to me like the EU would have intrinsic value on stating united, and would probably make an 'example' out of you guys regarding trade agreements etc.

I'm an outsider, however in regard of Scottish people, they are on the edge of a second independence referendum to rejoin EU afterwards.

Markets, Stocks, and investors are already sinking in the whole chaos, and Germany wants to offer Britain associated partnership status with other European Union countries..

Lol came across something, that I wanted to share.

"Brexit would probably lead to a Gredit, Departugal, Italeave, Fruckoff, Czechout, Oustria, Finish, Slovakout, Latervia, Byegium, Swedone, Thenmark, Extonia"

Rania - all of that was expected to happen immediately after and the markets are expected to bounce back fairly quickly.
I don't really know enough either way (I don't think anyone does) which is what confuses me about being given the referendum in the first place. We elect a government to make important political decisions for us and when one comes along as seismic as this, they leave it to us!
My guess is that in the long run, it won't make a huge amount of difference for the average person day to day, but it's just too soon to tell at the moment.

It was reported that scotland overwhelmingly voted to stay. This will definitely affect them through trade and other agreements. It has effected stock markets throughout the world. Exclusion is never a good thing, but america itself was founded (not really discovered) on such a principle. It's not the end of the world, however I think it will be a long long time before their economy can recover from such a move, not that it was all that great to begin with. Hopefully they'll keep trump over there with them, maybe he can make the UK great again......"sarcasm"

I'm going to go into this admitting I am naive and ignorant to what is happening, so please be kind, I'm trying to learn :)

What are the pro's and con's of this? And not your opinion, but the "stay" side, their reasoning, and the "leave" side, their reasoning?

Stay Side:
- around 50-60% of the trade involves EU nations, by staying you don't pay tariffs
- receive the benefits of being in EU which includes subsidies for farming, free movement of labour (allows any eu citizen to work in any eu country) and travel (one passport)
- able to loan at lower interest rates via EU (which is what greece did, but they forged papers prior to joining the EU to make it seem like they had the ability to pay back)

Basically by staying, Britain does not have pay to tariffs for the countries it trades with, since most of them are EU countries, and EU countries do not pay tariffs to one another. They have the ability to move freely between EU countries, and as well as hire across the EU more freely, and also have the ability to borrow money at a lower rate.

Leaving:
- don't have to pay for EU membership, which is in the billions (although they do receive a portion of it back, but still, it's a net loss in terms of money)
- more control over immigration, EU mandates 'open borders' meaning any citizen from EU can move in without being vetted, etc
- more 'sovereignty' (don't have to adhere to EU mandates regarding practices around labour laws, etc), i think the EU mandates about 4 weeks of paid vacation, so if Britain wants to change that, they now can, and other practices such as fishing numbers, and so on.

Basically by leaving, Britain can save a ton of money, can introduce and enforce their own regulations, and have more control.

Someone feel free to correct me, I'm just an outsider looking in. I really want to know what the campaigns were like in Britain regarding brexit.

Thanks, Mark! Is there anything you don't know? Haha!!

This is really interesting. Obviously this isn't just an overnight thing that came up, so it's surprising it's just now a thing I'm seeing all over the news. Maybe I just haven't paid much attention. I'd be super interested in hearing more from people there.

Britt,

one of the dumbest moves they could have made and it's going to cost them dearly on many levels but lets deal with why they did it, because it actually has a lot to do with what is going on right here in america...this has to do with fear, the fear instilled in them about immigration, the belief that they don't need a multi-cultural society, it's about seclusion. and they think this will protect them when in essence it makes them weaker and they set themselves up "easy for the taking" does any of this sound familiar, you'd better pay attention, we all better, it is going to happen in america if we allow it to. Cut and dry, they have "cut their noses off to spite their faces" Xenophobia is running rampant, and it's going to get a hell of a lot worse world wide, People can and will spout economic reasons all they want, but the truth is, certain leaders have an agenda and are pushing it through fear.

I didn't really have much of an opinion either way and still not 100% sure. I don't have time at the moment to really look into it, but so often from the media we are told what we want, so it's nice to hear from people who are actually there. Economically it sounds like it makes sense just based on the quick facts of it, but there definitely always is another underlying agenda that has a lot more to do with underground money, really. I'm such a conspiracy theorist. lol

Looks like you caught me out Mark! Just thought I'd put some wrong information up to see if anyone actually reads these posts when it's not about Donald or Hillary..seems like they actually do haha!!

Now David Cameron has resigned and it looks like Scotland will, once again, try for independence...it's a bit of a mess for sure.

Well things are stirring up, the latest updates read that more than a million people signed petition calling for a referendum rerun after Leave voters won victory to pull Britain out of EU...

Bob

To be honest, it's a little more complex than that. The majority of those in government (Prime Minister and most of the cabinet) campaigned tirelessly for the 'Remain' vote. In fact,even the coverage of it on TV was fairly biased towards the Remain vote. There was often no balanced argument offered. Put simply, the majority of our 'major politicians' think this is a disaster.

The problem we have in Britain is that we have a real generational divide between those who are white and think immigration has ruined Britain and taken away our identity (the older generation) and those who are multicultural and have grown up with free borders and integration (The younger generation). There has been discord there for a long time whereas the government has always pushed integration (that may change now, granted). In truth, and this is fact and not my opinion, there are too many people living in Britain now and it's on the dramatic rise so immigration has to be looked at, purely from a practical sense. Unfortunately, those who brandish that around are too often just plain and simple racists that hide under the numerical argument.

As for whether it will benefit us or not is simply too early to say and that was the problem in the first place: no one really knows - everyone has an opinion but the 'facts' vary widely.

We managed before and we'll probably manage again - we weren't doing that great in an EU that is largely rusty and out of date and could do with a revamp. One of the biggest issues was the seemingly less than democratic notion of having an EU government/politicians making fairly substantial decisions about our country without us having elected them - that in itself does seem wrong somehow.
As for the decision as a whole, God knows - only time will tell. I don't really have an opinion because I don't pretend to know enough - again, no one does not even most of the so called experts who all disagree with each other (bit of a conundrum that). As in my last post, what confuses me is that we elect a government to take such seismic decisions and then they leave it to those who haven't the foggiest. I'm all for democracy and the democratic vote, but in this case, it may just well have landed us in a big pile of steaming turd; we'll see.

The problem we have in Britain is that we have a real generational divide between those who are white and think immigration has ruined Britain and taken away our identity (the older generation) and those who are multicultural and have grown up with free borders and integration (The younger generation). There has been discord there for a long time whereas the government has always pushed integration (that may change now, granted). In truth, and this is fact and not my opinion, there are too many people living in Britain now and it's on the dramatic rise so immigration has to be looked at, purely from a practical sense. Unfortunately, those who brandish that around are too often just plain and simple racists that hide under the numerical argument.

*I think you just solidified my case didn't you

Bob

My point was that the bias has nothing to do with politicians; simply a generation's refusal to accept an open border policy. You could have asked the same question to the people who voted out citing immigration 40 years ago and they would have said the same thing. Scaremongering has nothing to do with it. As I said, if anything, the scaremongering was what would happen if we left. So no, I think my argument is fairly opposite to what you state.
Racism is prevalent everywhere with or without politicians.

truth is, certain leaders have an agenda and are pushing it through fear

^^

As I said, it seems to have little to do with this - the leaders were all for remaining.

I think this has been a long time coming.

Immigration was a key issue for most.

In my town of Great Yarmouth we now have no go areas of the town. This has never happened before, we have had Polish and Portugese migrants move into the town in their thousands. They have not only taken over whole council estates, our council have filled up the guest houses and bedsits with them. This is a direct result of the open door policy. It has also hit the towns economy, a vast majority of these are having their rents paid for and they receive food stamps. Who is paying for this? They also receive child benefit for their kids and income support. Most of this cash is sent back 'home' as they call it.
They haven't intergrated with the local community. Those that do work tend to take the factory jobs or menial jobs for as lower pay as the companies can get away with. These jobs used to be the stepping stones into employment for school leavers.
The whole point of freedom to move was to be able to live and contribute to the society you move to.
A knock on effect from this is dentist, doctors and school places.
I have three kids and for years the were scattered across three schools due to shortage of places. This effects my work and is the contributing reason I became self employed.
I cannot get a doctors appointment the same day or even week that I request one. My wife had a broken filling in her tooth and had to phone the dentist every day for two weeks to get seen to. (that was just a sit and wait appointment)

Britain is full.

I am not a racist by any stretch, I value those skilled migrants that do contribute to our town. My dentist is Spanish and is the most talented dentist I have had in my 40 years on this earth.

Rather than cut our noses of to spite our face, I think Britain 'grew a pair'
Why should we pay money into a corrupt and broken system?
£350 million a week was one figure reported. This is to bail out other Eu countries. We did receive a portion back, 'A portion'?!
We have one of the oldest governments in the world, magna carta was introduved in 1215 i Think.
We have done well enough since then and before the EU. Why should we let a collection of countries make our Laws.

This young/old divide is crap.

The 'kids' number one reason for wanting to stay in was so they could travel and holiday cheaper. They need to look at the bigger picture.
The markets are recovering, we will have more money to spend on our own country and we can pass our own laws.
We can also set up trade deals with the rest of the world.

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rant over but might add more later ;-)

This young/old divide is crap.

The 'kids' number one reason for wanting to stay in was so they could travel and holiday cheaper

^^

lol, Darren. Even though I brought that up (there was a clear distinction between the young and old vote) I have to admit, some of the kids' reasoning was a little superficial!

Not all leaders have positions Ben, not yet anyways, Dr. Martin Luther King was a leader and had no position, the leaders I'm speaking of are those who stood up and supported the movement to leave. Nonetheless, I hear Scotland is opting to stay in the EU, making despicable donald look like a complete idiot with his asinine comments yesterday while promoting his golf course, another so called leader that if given the chance will also divide this country.

as for immigration, people need to study their history, for the most part every family has a history of migrating, I love when people in the U.S. say , if you don't like it, get out of our country....lmao, their country as they allege was stolen land , accrued by slaughtering 10's of thousands, but history is tainted, they slaughtered the Indians and then called them savages, how ironic, invading lands, killing people, and then when they fight back, call them terrorist's...amazing concepts

Congratulations, now you see what it's like to be an American during political season, hahaha. I kid, of course, but the correlation is there.

It's probably no surprise to anyone that I'm not pro open borders. Darren, what you're describing sounds a lot like the areas I'm in. I technically can't speak for the entire US, but I can for my piece I suppose and we have a very similar issue.

Trump needs to go xD.

But interesting points Darren and ben.

Bob, you are absolutely right about what you say about all of us having immigration to thank somewhere down our lines and how badly people have been treated in America, no argument there.
Scotland want to remain but as long as they are part of the UK, that will not happen so now (it gets complicated) they want another referendum to leave the Uk so that maybe then they can remain in the EU!
anyway, as for leaders, my only point was that I think around 98% of our prominent politicians wanted to remain and that it didn't feel like we were ever being told to leave. Ithink - as Darren points out - this was always going to happen eventually, rightly or wrongly. As I have said, I just don't know enough either way to say what is right or wrong. What I do believe, however, is normally there isn't a right or wrong - just the lesser of two evils. If we have picked the right one remains to be seen. In my opinion, in 10 years time, nothing will be much different anyway. Who Knows?

'as for immigration, people need to study their history, for the most part every family has a history of migrating, I love when people in the U.S. say , if you don't like it, get out of our country....lmao, their country as they allege was stolen land , accrued by slaughtering 10's of thousands, but history is tainted, they slaughtered the Indians and then called them savages, how ironic, invading lands, killing people'

^^

As above, Bob, I agree with this to an extent - watch a film called "At play in the fields of the Lord" - deals with this topic.

Darren..I'm asking you this question simply because you stated that so many immigrants live in your area don't seem to work, preferring to take every handout on offer to them and yet, figures show that your unemployment rate is 5.4% which is lower than Australia which is currently at 6%. Why is that when you guys are saying UK is bursting at the seams right now?

Can you even consider them immigrants? They have the right to be there under the current EU rules do they not?

Hellon- definition of immigrant

immigrant

noun
a person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country.

Notice I didn't use the word 'illegal' immigrant,

The whole point of freedom of movement was for people to move and work freely across Europe. The idea behind this was to make it easier to plug gaps in key areas where certain skills were lacking. My local hospital is full of Doctors and Nurses from all over the world. I am grateful for this and thank each and every one of them. All three of my children's lives were saved by these people.
(Problems with premature birth)
Because of these lax rules whole communities have moved over and taken over pockets of the town.

I know that historically Britain has always had vast influxes of immigrants, Parts of London have whole micro communities,
We have a huge Indian population in some cities from around the 70's (I think) but these people intergrate and live by our laws. They even support the National football team (although cricket is a different matter)

Immigration is only one of the issues that led to Brexit.

Money and silly laws are the other two main ones.

Your other question,
Where I live the Unemployment rate Yo-Yos depending on time of year, This is a seasonal town and the government tends to report unemployment figures from the summer, it usually floats around the 7-8% mark but can drop to 3% in peak summer season (5 weeks of the year)

Norfolk as a whole is seen as a black spot for the out of work.

The reason I asked the 'immigration' question was because, as a migrant myself, I had to apply for immigration and had to fill out numerous forms and part with a large amount of cash before I was accepted into Australia...where as the EU rules say these people (and yourself if you wish) can move freely through countries that are part of this group...I just wondered if that made any difference as to how they were, or should be, viewed. I lived over there in the 70's and remember the huge influx of Indian and Pakistanis that moved over then. Back then, these people took jobs that no one else wanted...eg..bus conductors, low paid factory work. Many owned corner shops that stayed open much longer than any shop owned by a Brit so you couldn't accuse them of taking free handouts back then. Yes, they also sent money back to their own countries but, I think that's more of a cultural thing. They support their elderly family members and do not bang them into nursing homes like our culture seems to do so easily.

When you say the unemployment rate can jump as high as 7-8 %, do you mean just in your part of the country or nation wide?

Every single human was an immigrant at some stage, including the American Indian Bob. Our human ancestors were wandering nomads, it was about survival and giving our children a better chance, a genetically programmed basic instinct. When a group or family of individuals found an area that was favourable they protected it from others so they wouldn't have to leave, thus tribes developed etc etc. I know it's a pretty basic approach but relevant.

Well fast forward to now and nothing has changed, communities and countries are still trying to protect what is theirs... (leave the politicians out of it, they have their own agendas)

I think the majority agree that immigration is a good thing. The country I live in, Australia, is based on immigration, I'm an immigrant, It still is a diverse lovely country based on that history. But there are problems occurring here similar to what Darren is experiencing in England

For a number of years politicians have been driving immigration as a way to grow the economy purely for the dollar value to balance the books

The two biggest cities in Australia are Melbourne and Sydney both have similar populations about 4.5 million. Both are growing at approx. 100,000 per year on the back of immigration. Initially everybody said yeah that's great, everything was going along gang busters. There has been a huge influx of Chinese investors flooding the housing market, pushing house prices up 60 - 70% in the last 4 years. Again everybody thought yeah great, lots of money floating around. Unfortunately that bubble is about to burst and one of the upshots of that is that many young Australians now struggle to buy their first home

Another area of concern is that Infrastructure has fallen way, our and public transport and road system just can't cope with the huge rise in traffic, travel times have doubled in the last few years and will only get worse and worse. This is having a huge social impact

The crime rate is also on the rise with serious crime up 17% in this state in the last year alone. There has been a huge rise in violent crime house invasion, car jacking's and drug related crime

Australia has also taken its fair share of refugees in the last few years, yet after 10 years 93% are still unemployed with many involved in organised crime drugs etc, why has this happened, why are they still unemployed and getting supported by the average Joe blow on the street

I don't think we have anywhere near the problems that England does yet, but yes there are cracks appearing.
I still think Immigration is a good thing, but it has to be planned with infrastructure and social integration to match.

And I think this is why we are seeing intolerance appearing and again it comes back to our basic instinct to protect what is ours for the sake of our children's children. When that is threatened we react.

Many resent that their children may have less opportunity a lower standard of living than they did when there's a chance new immigrants may bring the problems with them that they were hoping to escape

Its not about being racist

Australia has also taken its fair share of refugees in the last few years, yet after 10 years 93% are still unemployed

^^^

Nicko...do refugees come under a different status in the unemployment figures here in Australia? I'm honestly not sure...but how can Australia put a 6% unemployment rate out there if the unemployed refugees are in the headcount and, it's so high?

Not sure Hellon, maybe they keep track of them through the CES (Commonwealth employment service) but it's been well publicised in the news here in Melbourne

Well...Australia is still putting the unemployment rate at 6% so I'm very curious about the 93% you've put forward. I know the elections are coming up...this SATURDAY for all you other folk who probably have no idea who our major candidates are or...even that we're going to the polls this weekend..anyway, are both parties hiding them?...after 10 year I doubt it. We have many Somalian refugees in Perth, they have all but taken over our taxi service but, they're at least working....

No i don't think anybody is hiding the figures

80% of our taxes go to social welfare which is also well publicized, so what does that tell you ??

Technically you would be right and wrong about American Indians being Immigrants, did they migrate to America, probably from south America at some point and time, but they (Indians) were the only people here, so technically they are the lands natives. The true owners if you will.

most people migrate for hopes of better opportunities, and are willing to work hard for less because even less is better than they previously had. The problems arise when they are shunned, excluded, and not given opportunity because of who they are. If I move to better things for my family and the opportunity is being with held because of where I come from or ethnic background, then basically you are telling me to get it anyway I can. Poverty and a poor economy is hitting hard everywhere, a few people are making gazillions, while the rest can barely afford to pay their bills or keep afloat without incurring large debts, and these governments are continuing to strangle the average joe by taxing him beyond what he can ill afford. It's becoming a joke anymore, taxing soda separately, squeezing every cent they can get out of everything. My property taxes have gone up the past two years, and this coming year my school tax is going up, along with utility and water rates. Pretty soon you won't be able to own your own home because the taxes will be too high. Something needs to be done, is immigration the problem, not really, it's greedy corporations and governments caught up in it with the lobbyist's without regulating anything. but people need to heed a very important warning, those you shun today, will eventually conquer you tomorrow, it's been a part of history since the beginning of time, excluding people makes you a target.

The government in Britain likes to push the idea, especially those from UKIP that our schools, Doctors, houses and jobs are being taken up by immigrants. You've heard people in this thread saying the same thing and I won't argue an influx of people into any community is going to add pressure.

Here is what they don't tell you.

They stopped building council (Government made and rented cheap housing) houses, they made massive cuts to the NHS and increased school class sizes whilst also making cuts to the wages of virtually every public sector worker from GP's to Police to teachers. The government did this and then blamed immigrants, despite the fact they contribute far more in taxes than they take out (this is factual and please do look it up).

Our country was built by immigrants, defended in two world wars by immigrants and we have our national citizens living all over the world as immigrants...but we call them ex-pats.

We're huge hypocrits and we need to stop it.

Yeah, Scotland voted 62% to remain and Nicola Sturgeon has all but confirmed another independence vote is on the cards. Our country is all over the place right now.

I'm looking with loving eyes at Canada...any Canadian ladies like a scottish accent? I'm single....:)

As a very proud UK citizen I would like to say how tired and fed up I am of the people who keep saying we have made a mistake and worse telling us we are stupid. What message does that send to the rest of the World?

We are and have always been a democratic country and this was a democratic vote a simple leave or stay.

More people came out to vote than any time in the last thirty years which says something.

The majority of people voted to leave because they believe strongly that it is the right thing to do for the country. Not for self gain or any political reason. Simply self preservation for the UK.

They took their democratic right to vote and voted in the way that they believed was right. In the same way that the Stays also voted.

Why then should one persons vote be worth any less than an another?

Yet for some reason there is a minority group of people who seem to believe that democratic decisions are only valid if their vote wins otherwise they will do their best to discredit, insult and generally throw their toys out of the pram until the decision goes their way.

Excuse me but this is not how democracy works.

All this back biting and negativity is not doing the UK any good. Theresa May our new Prime Minister has stated that we are leaving the EU
We should now be moving forward and all working towards our new independent future. Instead of back biting in the ranks.

If we don't knuckle down and get on with it then of course we will fail. The UK is renowned for its spirit in the face of adversity lets just get on with it....

The UK is renowned for colonizing the whole world*

i edited ya sentence my angel

Why did Ben Pickard make his personal Brexit here on PQ? Does anyone know?

@Milly Hayward Our new PM just cancelled the UK's leading department dealing with climate change. She is against gay rights, she wants insanely intrusive snooping laws introduced to the internet privacy...and you think she is a good PM we should all get behind?

If you can watch this video and honestly tell me you think leaving was a good idea, or offer a counter argument I'd love to hear it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USTypBKEd8Y

I think you're wrong Kevin. Theresa will make a great PM, and if she's introducing snooping laws, then I'm all for it, as I'm sure we all want to be protected against the terrorism, that is growing throughout the world.
I'd rather have Theresa protecting us than the Socialists, who always turn their back on protecting the public, even their so called battered leader is voting today about us giving up our Nuclear weapons, thinking that we can just 'talk' to the North Koreans and all the other one party States that mean us harm, and they will then disarm and change their ways?!
One can never reason with dictatorships or with terrorists Kevin, just look at the history books to see that.
Those who think that we don't have to take any 'snooping' protective measures to protect us all from terrorists, need to wake up and smell the coffee, or we'll all be doomed and one day find our freedoms are gone.
The World now has to accept a little 'snooping' by Governments, so as to help defeat these terrorists, or the carnage and loss of lives will continue.

Go Theresa, Go! Your country needs you!

Apologies in advance but Kevin did ask me to respond to the link that he put up earlier on the board. So my response is as follows:

One of the skills that Lawyers, Spin Doctors and Politicians all require is the ability to put forward a strong and convincing argument and to be able to create reasonable doubt on opposing views.

Clearly this presentation on the surface seems a valid one but lets not forget that this is a person who voted Remain and it is in his interest to put forward a persuasive argument to remain. So lets look at some alternative views.

I hope Kevin that you will take the time to view the following and come back to me.

1. The Real Face of the European Union https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0WeURiShfU&feature=share

2. TTIP - See interviews on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EriEOWHPqcU
TTIP The Truth about the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership
http://www.polity.co.uk/book.asp?ref=9781509501014
See reviews from Pierre Defraigne - Executive Director College of Europe Foundation / Dani Rodrik Harvard University or Read the book for full debate on TTIP
TTIP in a nutshell. It hands power to the corporate powers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAp6cD5i8O0

3. Paxman confirms 59% of our laws are made by the EU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU_SWwDX3O0

4. Paxman confirms the EU Commission who makes 59% of our laws are unelected with our UK Commissioner sitting NEXT to him https://www.facebook.com/leaveeuofficial/videos/961856017245973/

5. EU wants an EU Army https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Czcd--zmjUs -

6. James Cleverly outlines how the EU keeps Africa poor. https://www.facebook.com/james.cleverly/photos/a.283578888413553.55783.283560961748679/802637266507710/?type=3&theater

7. Professor Patrick Minford, a man who is not being paid by the EU, explains the worst case scenario for our economy if Britain leaves the EU. https://www.facebook.com/ProfPatrickMinford/videos/277036859295167/

8. A short summary on how the EU has destroyed our fishing industry. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_6rb4wWbwE

9. The BBC outline out contribution to the EU. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35943216

10. Uncontrolled immigration depresses wages and you're stealing their workforces! You're so selfish! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/.../Mass-migration-driving-down-wa...

11. Stuart Rose, Chairman of the Britain Stronger In Europe campaign admits wages will rise. Funny enough we haven't seen him in the media since! Ha! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNAdVjZ_h1c

12. We need a house built every 4 minutes, 24 hours a day, to cope with the current levels of immigration. Where do you draw the line? http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/.../what-would-britains-immigra.../

13. Mass migration hurts the poorest in the world! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE

14. NOBODY WILL GET DEPORTED IF WE LEAVE THE EU OK. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/.../eu-facts-what-would-leaving-t.../

15. They said we should join the Euro. Wrong then, wrong now. https://www.facebook.com/Douglas-Carswell-3584695276.../videos

16. BREXIT THE MOVIE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTMxfAkxfQ0

17. Debate - Developements in the ongoing debt crisis and the EU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvb7ZomAnX0

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Successes have already started: Germany, USA and Canada all say they want special trade deals with post Brexit Britain

http://www.express.co.uk/finance/city/683117/US-and-Canada-lead-promises-to-maintain-trade-relations-with-Britain-outside-the-EU

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Boeing has chosen Britain for its new headquarters stating that the UK is a critical market for the company regardless if they stay or leave

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-3497621/Boeing-s-Brexit-boost-World-s-largest-aircraft-maker-picks-Britain-home-new-European-headquarters.html
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Bottom line is that people will believe what they want to believe. The "Stays try and convince the leaves that they are wrong and were mislead in an attempt to try and get another referendum. The Leavers vote is just as valid as those that voted remain. That's what democracy is all about. The Remains say the Leavers were sold a pack of lies yet the Leavers can see that the Remains were subjected to scare mongering about the collapse of the UK.

There will always be two sides and not everyone can be happy about decisions made but I think it is now time to move on and all work together and do the best we can to make the country great. After all that's what we all want at the end of the day.