Poet on the Piano
4 years ago, updated 4 years ago
Wasn't going to post but what the hell. |
Hellon
replied to Poet on the Piano
4 years ago
MA...I don't know how many times in the past few years I've wanted to question what is going on in America but, I have held my tongue because of the arguments that have occurred as a result on this site. Now I feel I have been invited to speak out so I will. How that police officer could have kept his knee on Mr. Floyd says it all...he's black so he doesn't count. How F**hing dare he think that!! |
D.
4 years ago
I find the USA quite a scary place to be honest. The gun laws, the mass shootings, a president who is nothing more than a twitter celebrity, race crimes etc. The other day I was thinking how I feel sorry for the police officers who are just trying to do a good job? But then, I thought no, I considered somebody living there who does not have white skin...how can they ever feel safe? Protected? Equal? I will never understand how this feels. It's white privilege, and people need to recognise that it exists. It's 2020, and racism is still a prevalent part of our societies. You have to ask the question...would George Floyd have been killed if he was white? The answer is most probably 'absolutely not'. The fact we have to say 'black lives matter' is a MASSIVE problem. The fact we have to reaffirm something that should just be accepted by all is a travesty. |
Abed
4 years ago
It is saddening to witness that racism still prevails, that black lives and minorities are victims to an unjust court system and detached priviliged hand down ideoligies of superiority and supermacy. |
nouriguess
4 years ago
I'm not from the US, but I have to share my thoughts. |
Poet on the Piano
replied to Hellon
4 years ago, updated 4 years ago
Yes, Hellon, please speak out! |
nouriguess
4 years ago, updated 4 years ago
Yes, I, for one, respect you so damn much, Marryanne, for caring about others' lives, and for fighting for black people's right. Speaks a lot about you as a person. |
Darren
4 years ago
I haven't watched it. Yet I know of it and have seen the pictures. |
Poet on the Piano
4 years ago, updated 4 years ago
^ Yep, there's been a good commentary this weekend about how police should be trained. I'm obviously not in the force nor do I know anyone in it, but word is getting around that other city's police actually joined the peaceful protest. If we're unarmed and just carrying signs, why not work with us or at least lay down your arms. Friday night was a freaking day of history, because tear gas was thrown at EVERYONE, even those peacefully out of the streets and in the grass. The news were teargassed, a 3 year-old girl teargassed. And our news reporters filming live said there had been no order to disperse, which is the very least the police should do if taking action. |
prasanna
4 years ago, updated 4 years ago
Between the inane gun culture (I've always been anti-gun, but I think an outright ban on guns in America wouldn't work, and needs way stronger gun-control first) and the systematic racism, I don't even know where to start. Not to say that Canada doesn't have it's fair share of troubles it does; the SIU (special investigations unit, a watchgroup that is called out whenever a death/injury occurs when police is present) is investigating claims that a black woman was pushed off the balcony of a high-rise apartment while the cops say that she was suicidal and jumped, the highway of tears ( a stretch of highway where native women go missing, kidnapped), among others. |
Poet on the Piano
4 years ago
Also, the countless Palestinians who need to be remembered just as much. |
Hellon
4 years ago, updated 4 years ago
MA I asked if you or anyone in your household owned a gun because, in most of these reports it states that the victim was 'unarmed' but the loophole here, to me, is the possibility that the person was armed because of the gum laws over there and most people do have a firearm therefore if you reach in your pocket for ANYTHING you become a threat. Stricter gun rules would make it much harder for the police/anyone to hide behind this excuse. If no one has a gun, no one who innocently reaches in the pocket, bag etc would seem a threat. Just my thoughts. |
Ben Pickard
replied to Hellon
4 years ago, updated 4 years ago
I deplore racisim of any kind and let me make something absolutely clear - what happened to George Floyd and countless others before is disgusting and needs addressing, absolutely. However, I do feel there's a danger of isolating the police almost as a seperate entity from the rest of us which is discrimination in itself. It only takes a few to make some terrible decisions and suddenly the proverbial apples are all rotten according to the masses. Isolating incidents and dealing with them efficiently and justly is far more constructive but also educating everyone from an early age. Being a policeman is not the issue - it's the mentality of an individual and that is not exclusive to the law. |
Hellon
replied to Ben Pickard
4 years ago
"Most policemen are just ordinary, decent people who do not discriminate" |
Ben Pickard
4 years ago
But they are still just a few. To label all policemen in America as racist or in any way prejudice is simply wrong and does too many decent people a huge dishonour. I won't be forced into agreeing that all police are bad just because it's politically correct to do so at this volatile time. I just believe that some moderation is needed when looking at what;s going on at the moment. There is absolutely a deep lying rot that affects societies worldwide even in the 21st century, but it isn't exclusive to the police but that also doesn't mean everyone is racist. |
Ben Pickard
4 years ago
Anyway, as long as someone like Trump is president, there is no hope for American progression - not in any meaningful way, anyway. |
Poet on the Piano
replied to Ben Pickard
4 years ago
Ben, I respect the heck out of you, and while I do believe you shouldn't be forced into believing something that you genuinely don't, I disagree with your other aspects. I also don't think this has to do with political correctness... this is not only addressing one man's life but decades of documented police violence where there was little to no consequences for the police. The police is this case happened to be quickly reprimanded, but it's pending whether or not they'll have charges, to what degree, etc. |
Violet Raven
4 years ago
1312 |
prasanna
4 years ago
I'm assuming you're talking about the ACAB (All cops are bad movement) but here's the thing though; the system that they work in is inherently flawed. If a cop in the UK was to say something racist; they'd be reprimanded by the other cops in the room because 1) it's the right thing to do, 2) if they hadn't spoke up, they also would be reprimanded. There's absolutely no accountability amongst cops in america what so ever; they sent out the national guard to protect the cop before he was arrested; sending the message to the public that they will protect their own regardless. |
Ben Pickard
replied to prasanna
4 years ago, updated 4 years ago
In truth, Im probably ignorant to the differences between the police forces in America and the UK and have been too focused on the way the system works here. Also, perhaps I am in no position to comment considering I havent experienced what it's like to be a black American, so I apologise if any offence has been caused. |
prasanna
4 years ago, updated 4 years ago
Does anyone have valid info on what's going on in DC? |
Poet on the Piano
replied to prasanna
4 years ago, updated 4 years ago
Trying to keep up with live updates between work... there's so much information out there. Don't know about the blackout. |
Hellon
4 years ago
Just read this and honestly...had to shake my head in disbelief... |
Everlasting
4 years ago, updated 4 years ago
This story is over 5 years ago. I don’t mean to take away any blame from the cops who didn’t intervene but this story just shows what happen to good cops if they do. |
silvershoes
replied to Everlasting
4 years ago, updated 4 years ago
Everlasting, that's very upsetting (though not surprising)... I shared to my Facebook and included a petition that folks can sign to help Horne get the pension she deserves. What a horrible injustice. |
Poet on the Piano
4 years ago, updated 4 years ago
Thought we could continue the discussion with police reform ideas? I've only lived in the US (Indiana specifically), so I'm pretty ignorant to the perspectives and purpose of police in other places but please share anything that's worked in your area, if you're able to. I don't know the statistics of if these changes drastically help, or if it doesn't do much to decrease police violence. |
prasanna
replied to Poet on the Piano
4 years ago
I like the idea of everything you said minus the body cam footage being accessible to public, some people may not want to be recorded and would like some privacy, and depending on the implementation of body cams, they may be on 24/7 so we might see sensitive stuff, unless you meant like whenever an incident occurs, the body cam footage should be made available asap for all parties involved in the incident. They should be responsible for ensuring the body cam is operational before going out on calls, and if they purposefully disable it or tamper with it, treat it as a crime. The cost for storing and archiving all the body cam footage can be quite high, but I suppose it's a better use of money more so than the latest gadgets they buy from the military surplus. |
Poet on the Piano
4 years ago, updated 4 years ago
Dominique "Rem'mie" Fells & Riah Milton, two trans women of color. |
Poet on the Piano
4 years ago
Happy Juneteenth- a commemoration of the day the last slaves were freed in Galveston, Texas... two and a half years after Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation. Sending love to all and hope there are many celebrations and many voices lifted up today. Black lives matter. |
Poet on the Piano
4 years ago
Just wanted to share a creator who gives some awesome resources and insight into why we can't reform police: |
silvershoes
4 years ago, updated 4 years ago
These senseless, tragic deaths at the hands of monsters are heartbreaking... I haven't been able to stop thinking about Elijah McClain for days. His final words as he was beaten and tormented by officers keep ringing in my head. |
BOB GALLO
replied to Poet on the Piano
4 years ago, updated 4 years ago
Wow |
silvershoes
replied to BOB GALLO
4 years ago
That gave me chills, DD. |
BOB GALLO
replied to silvershoes
4 years ago
Facebook heart, two of them!! |