NEW PLAGUERISED POEM

Just One More Day: To My Dying Adopted Child
by Lord Vlad Raelie

Just for this morning, I am going to smile whenever I see your face and laugh when I feel like crying.

Just for this morning, I will let you wake up softly, all rumpled in your flannel and I will hold you until you are ready.

Just for this morning, I will let you choose what you want to wear, and smile and say you're beautiful.

Just for this morning, I am going to step over the laundry, and pick you up and take you to the park to play.

Just for this morning, I am going to eat a huge breakfast, with bacon, eggs, toast and waffles and you don't have to eat any.

Just for this morning, I will leave the dishes in the sink, and let you teach me how to put that 100 piece puzzle together.

Just for this afternoon, I will unplug the telephone and keep the computer off, and sit with you in the garden blowing bubbles.

Just for this afternoon, I will not yell once, not even a tiny grumble when you scream and whine for the ice cream truck, and I will buy you one if he comes by.

Just for this afternoon, I won't worry about what you are going to be when you grow up or who you might have been before your diagnosis.

Just for this afternoon, I will let you help me bake cookies, and I won't stand over you trying to fix things.

Just for this afternoon, I will let you put all kinds of barrettes in my silver hair, and put makeup on my face, and I will tell you how funny [slash “pretty”] you have made me look.

Just for this afternoon, I will take you to McDonalds and buy us both a Happy Meal so you can have both toys.

Just for this evening, I will hold you in my arms and tell you a story about how you were born, and how much I loved you when I adopted you

Just for this evening, I will let you splash in the bathtub and not get angry when you throw water over my head.

Just for this evening, I will let you stay up late while we sit on the porch swing and count all the stars.

Just for this evening, I will bring you glasses of water and snuggle beside you for three hours and miss my favorite show on TV.

Just for this evening, when I kneel down to pray, I will simply be grateful for all that I have and not ask for anything, except

Just one more day.

**Anyone else recognise these piece MR LORD has claimed as his own? I sure do got it via email over a dozen times - I fricken hate poetry THIEVES**

Yeah, I believe I've gotten that as well...

Good job, Eirisa!

~Ciao Lipton

We keep having this problem, but yet nothing is done to the ones who are GUILTY! That EMMA chick is still postng poems and there are three or four of her "poems" that ARE NOT HERS! I googled it to find the original writer. Everyone has their own style of writing and out of the blue one day her writing did a 360! Made me wonder so, I took a line from her poem and quoted it... What do you know it was a song from a British singer... I knew it was TOO good to be hers.

I dont understand why people plagerize it doesnt get them anywhere good job eirisa

I would respect them also...they specifically said that it wasnt theirs and they weren't trying to pass it off as their own so they know enough to say that it isnt theirs

I went to look at his poems... started from the bottom of his complete list... I only checked 8 or 9 or them and ALL of them were posted elsewhere... 3 of them were definitely not his... the vampirish poems, I suppose, could be him under an alias...

Right there is a difference between saying ie... This is not my work. It was written by.....

But if they do not say it is not theirs or say ie... Please vote/comment I enjoy reading what people say about "my work"... Then its disrespectfull and they have plaguerised!

born2die4pride: What the hell are you talking about?

They most definetly will get money for plagiarized work depending on how good it is. Plagiarizers do not copy crappy work. Why would they? It defeats the whole purpose of their theft.

born- i wouldnt try starting ne thing with nobody... that kid beat like 200 ppl in arguments in other posts... :P but i wish you luck

born2die4pride: If they plagiarize one work, what makes you think they won't do it to others?

There could be thieves out there who steal 'all' of their poems.

With such a variety they could (unknowningly the reader thinks that it is all their work) be considered better than each individual poet they stole work from.

In relation to thee above: A 'smart' plagiarizer (keyword being smart) will not copy all of their work from one poet. They will gain a variety of poems from all different writters. In essence they will become better (to the unsuspecting reader) than their victim.

If someone is willing to steal in the first place. They will stop at no extent to steal the best of each category of poetry.

Yes they may be caught eventually, but it is still a problem that constantly threatens each writter in the world.

Suggestion for you:

1) Type understandably
2) Shut the hell up

Very true Nobody! A thief will not stop as long as the are recieving recognition (positive) for what they have stolen. Stealing a poem is just as bad as stealing a car or from a department store.

Who ever thinks that we should not care does not have the heart to be a true writer. I personally would be PISSED OFF if my writings were stolen...

I caught my son trying to pass off one of my writings as his and I went ape all over his little 12 year old butt.... I guarentee you this much... he has learned his lesson and will never do it again...

For those that do not care if some one plagerises

1) Put the writings away

2) Never write again

3) Shut the hell and stop telling those of us who has their hearts in writing to "not care"

Just my own opinion folks...

--Sher

Did anybody ever read about that 13 year old Johnathen guy? (I think his name was Johnathen) he actuually stole all 20 or sum of his poems, and when the real authors commented about it, he actually tried to persuade them that he wrote it first.

hahahaha

sorry I laugh every time I think about that.

Born: Everything is copywritten from the moment it leaves the pen.

Quit trying to defend plagiarism. IT IS A CRIME! It's called "stealing."

~Ciao Lipton

Your FAULT??

Hmm...your.."fault" sharing a piece of art with other poets on the internet?

I see what your saying born2die, and yes people should copywrite their work, and good point perhaps we shouldn't really complain untill we do

BUT

Still doesn't deny us the right to bash lowlife untalented thievs anyday:)

actully Lipton the born girl does have a point. I mean its not copywritten from the moment it leaves the pen or even the moment it leaves your brain and you type it on the computer.

You need a goverment stamp of approval. You can do this and it only cost $30. Or you can mail it to yourself, this is called a poor mans copyright. Just don't open the envelope once you get back. This cost you a total of a stamp.

I'm not deffending plagerism by any means at all, actully I hate it just as much as everyone else does. But in order to protect our work we should go throught the proper proceders.

Born, shut up. You're full of it.

If you dont think plaigerism is a big deal then stop writing RIGHT NOW.

Writers who are serious about their work, granted QUALITY work, which you may or may not have, want the credit for it. It is an expression of their mental, artistic, and poetic abilities. That is not for someone to claim as theirs when they did not write it.

Something needs to be done. We keep reporting plaigerizers and NOTHING gets done. As this is a poetry website, there should be a firm stance on plaigerism. Right now if someone plaigerizes they get a little crucifiction on the boards (if they even go there), and then nothing happens. 90% of the people on this site have NO IDEA they are plaigerizers. There needs to be a mark on AT LEAST the plaigerized poem or even on the authors profile.

Eirisa, great job.

K¤Kinetically Obstinate: I think you aren't giving the moderators enough credit...

Yes, it feels like nothing is being done in the long run...

But the moderators do a pretty good job of locating plagiarized work and deleting it, or the poet associated with the theft...

You must understand it is a brutal, gruesome job to find plagiarized work and prove that it is infact plagiarized.

It is 'very much' a hassle and in most cases there is not enough proof to condemn the thief...

Friends - my apologies :o) LMAO But to be hanged I think that punishment is too harsh give me a break perhaps just lashings?

And hey guys - stop biting each others heads off I didn't want to promote an argument but a united front against these poetry thieves! :o) Pweeeease!

Ann Marie - Thanks for looking into this what happens from here?

Why?
Yes, I get what your saying about copywriting, but it doesn't change the fact that these lowlifes are stealing works of art
I'm talking about the MORALITY of it
And these forums I think are great 'cause we can name these pathetic plagerizers, then bash them all over the site:)

hey that's worth while to me.

Agreed pink...

How do you always state common sense in a way that dummies can understand?

You'll have to teach me someday...

hehehe

I said nothing against or for the moderators.

Finding plaigerizers is an effort that we all share together.

I think that the WEBSITE (not mods particularly) should have a firm policy against the act.

For instance, many poems that have won the contests have turned out to be plaigerized, which may or may not have been able to have been avoided.

I give Janis, Dainz, and the mods tons of credit and I bow to you guys, I just find it frustrating that there isnt something that will consistantly get done to these people that will keep it from happening again. Many of the people who have plaigerized are posting under the same names today unscathed, which I find appauling, personally.

I see posts like this alot, I have been acused of stealing poems or have been stolen from me... it makes me mad, one poem, swear to god I still have it name: "to my christina" was stolen from me and the guy that took it e-mailed me and yelled! saying I stole it from him, I'm still going out with the christina!! she's on this site too, name: christina pretty

never the less WHY would someone try and convice me that I stole a poem, well w.e, I still have the poem listed if you wna take a looksy

david

P.S "To My Dying Adopted Child"
looks very VERY familair, I think from one of my moms novels or magazines er sumthin, I just know that I seen that name on a poem before

I don't know about the part about the theifs and so forth. I just believe that if a person who steals another person's poem has to go to extremes to be that good..why didn't they just learn the skill and become good at it?

I have to admit i might have been influenced by things. like i will hear a song and come home and write something completely different...i never take from another person and if i were to ever do that i would give the person credit like

*looking into the mirror I'm loving what i see
my hips my eyes, my lips, my thighs

Then at the end of the poem go *this is a part from india arie's song - called Video*

I would never do that but it is just a suggestion for people who might want to do it, everything i write it comes from my mind...mostly all evil sorts of things.

I think if you have to steal someone else's work then it is terrible. Do as i used to do, i commented back and would always find a philosophy saying that matched it like:
"Learning how to stand up is easy. Learning how to stand up after you've fallen down, that is tough." - Dican. I always gave credit where it was due.

Lets face it..if you get caught doing that then your going to be labeled as one and no one will want to read your poems. I never did it for that reason if only that reason.

Well that is just my opinion on the matter, thanks for reading my little tibit of info.

And I took your advice for my one poem and put at the bottom of the poem that quote was not mine. I don't know who wrote it, but I did say it was not mine.

But it has been fixed. Once I found out wh wrote it, I will insert that as well... SOrry you do not lke my beat.=0) Habit I am stuck in... I guess it's just my pattern of writing.

Born: Alright then... I'll humor you for a moment.

How about I plagiarize one of your poems? How would you like that? Would you just sit there and say, "oh well... nothing I can do about it." or would you do anything within your power to get me found out and punished?

Seriously, if you think plagiarism isn't so bad a thing/or cannot be helped, stop writing. Any serious writer would do all they can to prevent plagiarism, and would not stop themselves to see a plagiariser hanged! (okay okay, that may be a little extreme...)

~Ciao Lipton

Sharing a great poem is one thing (see my quotes for example none of them are original but I clearly state that and where I know the actual author, give according credit) but to pass it off as ones own is just what Bob said "The Ultimate Literary Crime"

Hang them all - and me for my crap spelling LoL

But hey I try :o)

Born: I did read what you said. You said:
"woa im not defending plagerizing im just stating that unless you have the government on your side nothing is stopping people from plagerizing your work. theres reallly nothing we can do so lets just try to move on and stop making these stupid forums"

However, bob (the good guy that he is) gave us this:
"and just for your info, if someone steals your work and you have documented proof, the courts will find in your favor, regardless of a Gov. copyright... "

So, in theory, if you have not knowingly copied a poem, it is copywritten from the second you write it.

And if the plagiarizer so chooses to keep plagiarizing, the plagiairzer will just keep facing being banned/deletion of poetry/looked down on as a criminal/poetry scum.

Now, why don't you quit having a cow about people worrying about their poetry being plagiarized, because they have reason to. Again, I will say this:

PLAGIARISM IS A CRIME!

The most extreme of writing crimes there are, and there is enough action that can be taken to take care of plagiarism, like making posts like these, and exposing the fakes for who they are.

~Ciao Lipton

Born, I am glad that not all writers think like you. If those are really your feelings and your nonchallant attitude is really the way you think, you really should not be writing.

People that dont try to combat plaigerism deserve for their work to be stolen.

It is the worst literary crime that can be done. Period. It is against the law and ethically and morally wrong.

WOW Kaitlin powerful statement - yet such truth

This is my thread and Born - you are in the wrong here now take it like a man and shake it off damn!

Kaitlin and Lipton are both accurate in their statements

As I said before though I am not here to promote an argument but a united front amongst members fighting plaigerism....

Can we get back to the topic at hand because Lipton wins most arguments anyways such an intelligent and witty 17 year old (I KNOW only 17 sheesh)....and with mine and Kaitlins support....its suicide LoL :o)

I hate plagerizers.

Eirisa:

Aw, I'm touched, but give yourself more credit!

Erm... Yeah, what she said... This topic has really drifted from the point. The point is, HAVE THIS PLAGIARIZER HANGED!

Erm... yeah.

~Ciao Lipton

lmao.

Hang them.

Oh you guys glad to see some giggles in here but back to punishment

Anyone else think of any forms of punishment deserving for this thief - be creative :o)

Instead of your mindless posts killing our time, could we kill your ego and do us all a favor?

Stop writing if you arent against plaigerism. It is flattering to a certain extent when someone steals your work, but that's only the tiny silver lining to a very dark cloud.

I would tell you to stop being an idiot, but I dont think you're capable, so I'll refrain.

Born, like you're one to talk, sorry but how many people have referred to you as an idiot? It's not that it was mindless as much as the ego eminating from Killer's name is stifling and gives (at least to me) a bad impression immedietly. And we all know you're dying for your pride.

Plaigerism is a crime, and plaigerism is wrong, and as much as I admire the "I cant control it, so roll with it" attitude, it's just unacceptable to be used as a policy on a poetry website.

Nothing pisses me off more than plaigerizers, and people who condone it are no better.

So f*** that. Sorry. Opinion dismissed.

Who cares if I think your opinion doesnt matter? I dont care if you think my opinion matters.

That's a good lesson to learn, indifference.

And even a mindless robot knows plaigerism is bad, not only does that make some people on this thread devoid of brain cells, but actually having less than what would be necessary to be considered "mindless."

Not that I'm pointing fingers.

Thank you, that is a very weirdly spelled word.

Plagiarism
Plagiarism
Plagiarism...

Look at it this way; someone’s poetry (or any other works of literature) is coming from their perception of the world, their mental ability, their artistic ability. It is a talent that they possess that is not to be claimed by another person.

When you hear a song and you hear the name of the person who sung it, you expect it to be sung by that person.

When you see a sculpture and someone claims they have done it, but they have not, they are not giving credit to the artist for their talent.

Poetry takes talent, intellect, and artistic ability (among other things but I'm summing it up), for someone else to claim what is not theirs is obviously wrong- the only reason is that it is not THEIRS. It is like false advertising your talents or abilities; product lines are not allowed to do it, why would people be able to?

Poetry (and any other literature) is the mental property of a person. It is very personal, whether it IS in fact about money, whether it IS in fact about pride, is irrelevant. It's against the law for a multitude of reasons, and I can’t even believe you have to ask that question to understand it.

People CAN make money off of plagiarized poems and DO gain acclaim for them. Look at Hailie, who won the contest with "Fate of a Dreamer," IT WASNT HERS! She didn’t deserve the acclaim for that great piece of art, so why did she get it? She plagiarized it. Enslavement of Beauty deserved that, not her.

You can say it's not a big deal, but it's the principle and it's common sense. The original writer deserves the credit for it.

And you said that you have seen like 3 good poems on this site, then stop going around talking about how good yours is please, it's getting old.

I'm making a big deal about this (and others as well) because our work is our mental property and it's unethical for someone else to STEAL it, and it is stealing, because if someone stole any other form of property it would be deemed as such.

You just jumped on the band wagon with Killer. Get off it, it's against the law for a reason.

Putting our poetry online makes it possible for it to happen, it's a risk that we take and we are cognisant of that, but I dont think that it's too much to ask that people do the right thing and obey the law, that's why there should be punishment for the act.