Two nine year old girls

ZION, Ill. (AP) - "Two second-grade girls who disappeared while riding bikes together were found dead Monday, both stabbed multiple times and left to die off a bicycle path in a park, authorities said.

A resident walking through a wooded nature area in the park discovered the bodies of best friends Laura Hobbs, 8, and Krystal Tobias, 9, at dawn.

Malcolm said no weapons were found and there was no evidence of sexual assault."

no sexual assault. What motive? what reason to kill two nine year old girls?

Has the world become so corrupt to kill defenseless kids like these for the mere pleasure of harming something helpless and innocent?

How sad... what has this world come to?!?!

You know... that question is really starting to scare me. I see more sad, disgusting, horrifying things everyday. This world needs to change. But then again... what can one 16 year old girl like me do?

Take Care ~ Tina

yeah i read that on msn new....its sad.

Whoa! That's sad!

god, I heard about those girls...my first thought was...well...my first thought is unutterable...but then I thought, when I heard there was no sign of sexual assault, that the perpetraters were probably kids themselves. prolly friends. or bullies...or somewhere in between. but this is just my mind trying to make sense of a senseless crime.

THAT'S AWFUL...I can't believe it....sooo sad...

A friend of a nine year old would be the same age. What nine year old is just going to stab their two friends a hundred times? A bully would knock them off their bikes or something not stab them over and over. What a horrible thought. It was some sick twisted adult....probably a man.

it jus goes to show how sik n twisted people r now a days xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

kids do some sick, twisted things...then again...all criminal behavior is childish...when you analyse it enough...if you know what it's like on the other side...it's all just childish...so your call...

"nine year olds usually bully..."
Not so.

You'd be surprised at what kids have done. In Arizona there was a case where a 10 year old molested (yes, molested. Anyone can try to argue but it happened.) and then drowned a three year old boy.

There have been numerous accounts where young children have killed kids their own age. my theory:
1. they're either born with this desire to cause pain-yes people are born with this there have been medical studies that have proved some human beings are actually born with this pleasure-
2. Considering the crime rate is sky rocketing and kids are witnessing more violence on television, they don't comprehend the scale of which harm is set on, and cause this pain to experience the glory and power that those they watch do.

i don't know who said "nine year olds usually bully" i mentioned bullies. because some kids do. somtimes though, i've heard stories where kids will shoot their friends with their dad's gun b/c they can't comprehend the harm it does. I guess the same could apply to knives...
yeah, the media of the late 19th century blamed dime novels for Jesse Pomeroy, America's youngest serial killer. but I think it was his abusive father. it wasn't just in the genes. killers aren't just born. they're made.
Sorry, I just have to add that the media is not responsible, and emphasize what you said about kids not comprehending what they watch. Interpretation is not the media's job. Everybody interprets things differently, parents need to watch TV with their kids, and explain stuff for them.
Sorry, I'm in the media, I get really touchy on this.

haha Shojo, no one will agree with you more about the media idea than me!

Of course television doesn't create murderers. that's as pathetic as trying to say that violent video games "make kids hurt people".
I do however think it contributes.
Of course I'm not blaming media, I'm blaming society. We can no more alter the media to be less violent than our civilization within itself. but it does contribute (like our world today). If a child is exposed to violence they're most likely going to become accustomed to it. That is related to wether they live in a bad neighborhood where they see people murdered every day, or if parents let their five year old kids watch sin city. It all has to deal with exposure.

exposure, and how the kids are told to take it. If parents just let their kids watch films like that, but never talk about the negative consequences in life, yeah, that creates problems. But the stuff me and my brother were exposed to at 5 didn't screw us up...much.

True it is based on how they are raised to take it, but that's also where the human trait factors in.
It's just a fact that some people are crueler than others, and not necessarily because of lifestyle, but because it's their nature

sounds like the killer knew maybe one of the girls or both of them. for financial purposes maybe. such a messed up world we live in when a person can think that bettering their life with ill gotten money is worth taking away the short life of someone else. really messed up...
-A

Yeah, that information was just released today. (so much for our theories of other children, lol) I need to review the latest news more, hold on

ok, now they're changing the information.
An earlier article stated a neighbor, no mention of blood relation, had found the girls on the bicycle path.
Or perhaps they didn't know he was the father, but if authorities didn't know it by then that's not much better.

Anyway, this is sick. I can only imagine what kinds of men find delight in murdering their children.

I just read the rest of a story about a murder than happened here locally....A woman and her 2 daughters were murdered by her husband (and their father) before he killed himself. The girls were 6 and 2.

About this story.....I saw that it was one of the girls father just a few minutes ago and wanted to come and see what everyone thought about it. Such a sad story!

It sucks that we live in a world where people do horrible stuff like this (and worse)

Yeah I world is messed up in a way but we cant really do nothing about it and i wish we could..........

Yeah, when I heard the update I was like, "the father...?" I didn't even think of that. I mean, usually the murderer is someone that knows the victim, but I couldn't have predicted this because I just don't understand parents who kill their children. their motivations boggle my mind.

oh, and pinkalias, that could just be faulty reporting. Remember, they also reported that Al Gore won the presidency.

Have y'all heard about the guy who just the other day shot 6 of his family members (his wife, mother in law, father in law, and three kids) as they slept and then turned the gun on himself? How could you do that to your family? And how did each person continue to sleep through the gunshots? Isn't it strange they didn't wake up? Anyways, I think this is a terrible crime, and the two nine year old girls is horrendus. How could you kill your own family??? It makes no sense to me, at all.

foxyblond: they most likely didn't wake up because he used a pillow (or something else) to muffle the noise.

and about people killing their family members: yes, it's a horrendous act, but I'm hardly surprised by it anymore. You ask how people could kill those who are closest to them? Well let's think of some circumstances (real-cases):
A divorced couple had 3 children, one morning the mother went out for a walk, came home and found her ex husband had broken in and killed her children while they were sleeping, then shot himself. There were journals of his explaining he couldn't bare the thought of the children growing up without him and after he did the deed he wouldn't be able to live with himself. (also added he knew they would all be together in heaven...)

Another case: the father was insane, heard voices which he thought was God telling him to kill his children. He then stabbed them while they slept.

Another case: Woman who is mentally unstable is giving her 3 boys a bath. They begin to scream and misbehave (as little boys do) and she got overwhelmed with the noise and drowned all 3 of them.

None of these are justifications of course, I'm just trying to give insight as to how some of these murders came about.

yeah, but the first guy had real motives, 'good intentions' and eventually shot himself, so, thus he had feelings of guilt. The second one sounds like a conveniant Insanity Defense cooked up by a lazy lawyer. I don't mean to be insensitive, but I'm skeptical about insanity pleas. The third one, yeah, she was insane. And I can understand how a mother of 3 boys could become overwhelmed. Desperate people in desperate situations resort to desperate measures.

But this guy...the father of one the girls...how did this scene play out...they were biking...he stabbed them...why?...he leads the police right to the bodies...I don't like to use the word sociopath very often either (as with 'insane' i believe it's a cop out), but it's all I can think of. they have more details yet?

That's what they're waiting for. The father hasn't confessed yet so it'll be till then that we hear his story. He lead them to the bodies as a cover up, I suppose, though a pretty stupid act considering the police would be asking how he so happened to go along on a bike path with no bike and just so happened to come across his daughter's body. I have a feeling it's something to do with the mother (vengance I suppose) does anyone know whether or not they were divorced?

And yes I know what you mean about the insanity plea, but I don't see any other motive as to why the father would kill his children (parents weren't divorced, no sexual abuse involved) oh and he had a history of mental illness, I probably should have told you that.

Foxyblonde thats like the film The Amityville horror, i dont know if thats what you're talking about or not lo.

wow, people these days are so sick. i think people like this are so sick, and they should die for what they did. i cant stand for tings like this. poor little girls... i cant believe it... this world is so...f***ed up...

Serenia

No, I wasn't talking about the Amityville Horror... although, that's a true story.

I don't mean this in a bad way, not at all, but if this really upsets you so much, why are you sitting here complaining about it?? Go out there and do something. Help volunteer for a local hospital, go volunteer at the missing children's agency.

You are right. This world is a sick place. But are you doing anything to heal it? I don't mean this offensively, at all. I just think if we all payed attention a little more, we could heal this earth, at least a little.

OK so I know that I'm bringing back old stuff but I just got a chance to read this. I read about this story in the paper at my work last week. It's so sad.

I want to be a cop when I turn 21. I know that I'm going to end up finding dead kids, and I swear....it's going to be so hard for me not to shot whoever killed them. I just don't understand murder.

In one of my Criminal Justice classes we spent a day talking about serial killers and we looked at some of the bodies that were found and stuff....where do these people come up with this stuff? I just don't get it! And to think that serial killers start out as peeping toms....*shivers*

Anyway...just wanted to throw my 2 cents in on an old topic. Later!

Oh my God, I read about Mary Bell....That's just freaky!!

There are people there that really are like their screwed up in the head. People find it shocking because it happens everyday, for each second some little kid dies by a psyhco manic. Tragic true but not shocking till it happens to you.

OMG...Is Mary Bell alive?...I would have had that girl killed many years ago.

You wanna understand murder? I'll tell you. When people lose everything they think they have nothing so they kill. Killing creates something to do, now they have to rn every day and they like it. But what people don't realize is that it's only when you've LOST everything that your FREE to do anything. I understand the anger coming from you guys but guess what? theres nothing you can do. I say give kids pepper spray. nothing wrong with that

I just finished reading the whole report on Mary Bell, and they keep asking the question whether or not she's cured. Well, obviously not, otherwise she wouldn't still be alive. Sociopaths have an incredible will, narcissism is not a disease, it's a coping mechanism. and I can understand her sudden realization that it was time to "grow up" when she learned she was pregnant. Start putting the lives of others first, do something productive (not destructive) in the world, these are the things that seperate the sociopath from the serial killer.

if her own teenage daughter could have no idea that she was the infamous Mary Bell, then, surely, a change had occurred. she may actually be the caring and responsive mother she and the author claim.

But Mary Bell, Jesse Pomeroy, Jim Harris, Dylan Klebold etc were all kids themselves when the crimes were committed. Cynicism and Narcissism are very childish traits, so their almost normal for children to have them. I recall when Jesse was finally let out at very old age, he lived a quiet life until he died in basically exile. We'll never know what would've happened to Jim or Dylan, but I think there was hope for Dylan, who atleast came to some sense mid gunfire when fellow classmate asked him, "What are you doing?" And Dylan let him go.

so, yeah, kids mess up. sometimes adults do too. but adults are supposed to know better, so we're less likely to think, oh, they could reform. Once you're an adult you should have your shit together.