props to the mods

OOOOH. Vi's in trouble.

Thats great, we're all just a bunch of free spirits expressing our opinions! ain't life just swell! Like Neo Nazi's expressing the opinion that anyone who is not white should be purged, permanantly....and the opinions of Muslim fundamentalist's who say you Americans are a scourge upon the earth and should be burned from your homes and scattered to the 4 corners of the earth.

Just opinions right? No harm in shouting them out in any way we see fit regardless of the consequences? Smell the coffee kids.

The warning i sent to Violaxcore does not, unfortunately, represent the general will of the moderators, i made a mistake when i signed off with that. It represents only my convictions, which are weakly backed up by the ideals and lame rules of this website, so in theory, the warning is fact...though i doubt it will ever be acted upon.

So go to it you tough guys...insult everyone who asks a question or lacks understanding. I'll moderate in the way i see best until something is done about people like yourselves who are thoughtless and damaging to this site, or until they take me off the moderator list, which wouldn't be all that bad in fairness.

Pah humbug!

Personally, I think it's time for everyone to actually follow the forum rules. Kevin's doing his job, and I think that it sucks that his warning will never be acted upon. The rude ones always insult... try respect, for once. Hmph.

Car

*sigh* Kevin, you totally misunderstood what I said. I didn't say I disagreed with you. That's why I sent you an email and didn't put it here. But you chose to publicize it. I merely said that I didn't like you saying stuff "on behalf of the moderators"

I have sent many warnings to people.

And the warning WILL be acted upon despite what people seem to think. You just have to go about it the right way.

Hopefully there will soon be a penalty system on the forums like there is for comments. Then results will be much more obvious.

For now, all we can do is edit or delete and if it's really bad, e-mail Janis and/or Dainz.

Dysfunction in the political Elven heirarchys.

The apocalypse is near.

Kevin: You're a great moderator, and you know how much I love you. You're right, on a very humanitarian level, but does keeping everyone "sheltered" from personalities like this help them? I think they are ultimately better off for it, but that's just my opinion. Anyway, I dont want to really start a debate here by any means, but I think you did the right thing. You are an elf because they trust you, and you need to act on your beliefs and instincts.

Plain, go read my post again, and instead of skimming through it looking for things you can beat down, actually read it.

If you did this you'll see i wasn't comparing ill mannered posters in here to the killing habits of Nazi's, i was making a point about the limits, or i should say moral constraints i believe should exist when someone considers offering their opinion.

Considerations like how the words you are about to utter or type are going to effect those who hear or read them, and thusly the implications of your personal responsibility for those words.

Kaitlin, there are lively and challenging characters in here who do not resort to almost constant mocking as Plain does. People like Bob Shank, FT Miles, even you and I, the arguments for keeping Plain here are almost exclusively based on some absurd notion that he helps people with his vitriol, that some people need to be mocked in order to change. I find that notion distasteful, even if it does sometimes yield results, there are morally better ways surely.

Plain has been banned before for very good reasons...i wish Janis would post about this and let you all know that he, the owner and creator of this site, does not want Justplainme here! I mean it's a joke, an insult to anyone, especially every moderator who tries to make this place better without hurting peoples feelings.

If you had any honour plain, you would apologise and leave.

All due respect to Mr. Shank. I agree with Kevin more. There are usually no surprises as to what comes out of a sick asshole. A physician can analyze it, but he does not put it on his cereal.

Bob, i dig where you're coming from, the classic, dark without light arguement...i just don't think it should apply, as a moral ideal, to human beings who can choose to act as they will. We all have our inner darkness, and hatred...that doesn't justify the creation of MORE of the same.

I know i've stomped on a few people verbally in here when they didn't really deserve it...we all have our buttons that can be pushed...subjects like abortion, religion and family issues can all draw out our anger.

Thing of it is though, with someone like Plain, it's thought out and calculated hatred, it's petty and baseless attacks...it's completely unecessary.

Maybe i should just accept Plain for who he is like you say, in fact i have already done this. What i can't accept is the negative effect he has on other people in here...and i'd be suprised if you did that. In fact it's because i know i can't change a thing about him that he should be banned from this site as many times as it takes for him to evolve.

I stand with Bob on this one, but I feel for where everyone else is coming from as well.

It's an easy task to level out the assumed intelligence of a person when all you have is plain text in front of you representing, to you the reader, everything that individual is capable of. In reality of course this isn't the case, and there are many hundreds of thousands of people, who even though written communication does not come easily, have intellects matching our own, and by that i mean the general consensus of people like you and I, Chris, reasonably smart cookies.

You've got to try and see through the Tarzan broken english and all the annoying abbreviations and spelling mistakes....and just see someone trying to communicate as best they can, with whatever education and abilities they possess. There are i'd wager, many things that i can do far better than most of you, musical things for example...but i'd never dream of shouting you down for it because i know it works both ways and i have no idea where you've all come from.

I'm not ever gonna discuss the self harm issue again in depth, most people know where i stand. If it's important to them, fair play...i don't get a warm feeling inside from those kinds of posts, but i realize that for some people, it's an important step in potentially opening up and I think you'd have to be a cold hearted individual to grudge the 5 seconds it takes to click on another topic to these people when it could do them some good.

I'm all done here i think, you guys just keep calling people retards and justifying dickish behaviour and i'll do my thing.

Kev.

'of course you would agree , for your world has been tainted with false realities of how life is supposed to be, learned behavior is hard to change'. I think I would have not chosen the word tainted. But I believe you are accurate that the world is not the way I think it is supposed to be. I think it is good to hope always that we can change for the better. I have been labeled as religious because I have sometimes used what I have been taught in my poems. I do find the guidelines of some spiritual paths to be easier to follow, than the Catholic catechism, or even the first rule of this forum; The first and most important rule is to be respectful to all members. Being disrespectful to other members will not be tolerated. In my opinion every human person has an inviolable dignity, value, and worth. Nothing can take this away. No real illusion nor false reality
.I will admit that learned behavior is hard to change. For instance most people assume that all convicts use drugs, all law enforcement officers are interested in enforcing the law, and that all judges are interested in justice, and so on. The question is, should we make the oxymoron a role model?

I don’t want to upset the mods by breaking the forum rules, but I happen to be a big fan of BOB Dylan, and I would recommend any poet to check out the lyrics to his song ‘ My Pages Back'.. these are my favorite lines....
'In a soldier's stance, I aimed my hand
At the mongrel dogs who teach
Fearing not that I'd become my enemy
In the instant that I preach'
By the way Bob Shank, thanks for the compliment. It means a lot to me coming from such a popular member of this site. And just a great guy who seems to have a good understanding of ‘Total Life Management’. I believe it is not as important who we were. It is more important who we are. There is much tainted knowledge in this world. It is not what we know, but what we think we know that is damaging. Sometimes we ignore beliefs simply because they make us uncomfortable. I am addicted to smokeless tobbaco, and will prabably pay a price someday. I belive there is a heath risk, but I have not enough desire to quit. Knowledge is not always applied, and we face consequences.
'every now and then to get a slap in the face to wake up and realize that most everything we've been taught has been sugar coated to spare us painful moments in life' pure knowledge is a powerful thing. peace be with you