HOW DO WE KNOW IF THERE ARE DEMONS

I believe there are demons, and if you do something, God will curse you with a spirit of one. But only upsetting God will he send one. Why do u ask?

bullsh!T No there's no usch thing as a demon. Why in the world would god want to punish you? there are way to many people on this earth who want to that! Aint no such thing as a demon or devil. If you believe in the sh!t than ur dumb. So yeah no demons no devil. point blank. don't care if u think otherwise. when u bel;ieve in something u give it life. so the devil is just a figment of people's imagination. If God is the only perfect person why the hell would he put bad things on us? GOD is not there to punish but to nurish and care for. God wouldn't be perfect if HE was putting curses on people. why waste ur time with someone who's out to get u? makes no damn sense. crap. GOD doesn't do that crap. end of conversation. Just surround yourself with the white light of the holy spirit, keep GOD in front of you, believe in him and do good and ur good. Remember you reap what you sow. so if you plant goodness or if you do good u will get good, vice versa. remember and try it. peace!!!!

Seeing this forum make's me want to ask the question. What is your veiw on Satanist, not the immature Christian devil kind.

look flying w/o wings no damn demon. u did witchcraft so? if u did black magic than I could see wh you'd be paranoid about these things happenin'. Okay when u wake up and cant move and feel like being stabbbed... That is astral travel honey. Not a demon. Shame on those people who claim to be praying for a demon. It's so twisted there's no damn demon!!! Just ur spirit leaving it's earthly body to wonder the earth. Okay sounds like new age mumble jumble no it's not. read up on astral travel you'll know. I had this happen to me and thought something or someone was after me as well. It's no one but u trying to get back in ur body. ur usually unconscience to it but those times when you expericened it u just happen to be awake at the wrong time. Everyone does it. whether they remember or not. remember that the spirit and GOD are always connected and it's just a way for ur spirit to take away from the feelings of home sickness. So you'll be fine. Pray to GOD. surround urself w/white lite of holy spirirt. Pray to GOD and ask to not notice when ur spirit exits and enters the body. oh and also cause im pretty sure many people r gonna ask this. u can NOT OK? you can not be possessed. No one can enter ur body w/o permission. No evil spirits can decide to use ur body as an audio outlet ok? they can't take over unless u let em and u still have control. they can't just boot u out ur body. so 4get about that. Take care. NO DEMONS. *SIGHS* LOL!!!!!!!

Astral Travel lmao.
If you have a hard time moving your muscle's when you wake up see your doctor it's a form of sleeping disorder. Just forget the name, I'm sure someone will say it.
Naima I only read the first part of that I can't type shit post.

ok look no devil nope. I don't believe in it!!! I read the KJV (KING JAMES VERSION)Ok so? U can't believe everything u read! People wrote the book and that means that someone could be pulling hamstrings. It's sad that people believe all this sh!t. I believe in like 75% of the bible the rest..... there is no devil. He didn't get greedy and sent to hell! Why the heck God would create a place like that I don't know. If he made a hell that meant that he had plans to have his creations go sour or was capable of creating awful people. Why would GOD decide ok u get one life and after that if u do things I don't like, if u push me away I will send u to hell. bullsh!t nope!!!! no!!!!! Don't beleiev in the devil. nope!!!! God all the way baby!!! No devil and no demons.why would a devil waNt you on his side? why would he be sending demons and sh!T!!! crap!!! nope. people always wanna blame the devil for their wrongs. Man up OR woman up and take responsibility AND STOP BLAMING THE damn devil wasup with that? so yeah crap!!! don't believe all what u hear, see or, are told. nope. U do ur research honey. people will tell u whatever. If u praticed wicca than ur ok. Cause they believe in the golden rule "every mind the rule of three what u send out comes back to thee" so they never do anything that would cause them to be "cursed" ok?!? The believe if you send out negativity you get it right back. They are in tune with nature and don't mess with black magic.So tell me more about ur past. and these people who saw ghosts and stuff. sounds kinda interesting. (I'm "out there"and I am NOT a satanist if u r ur dumb. stop that SH!T it's wrong give GOD the glory! so yeah there's no demon or devil trying to win me over cause I don't waste my time with such foolishness).

Satanism has nothing to do with hell. Or the Christian devil as I stated.
And you should check yourself into a mental hospital.

This is a link to a site that is built around modern Satanism...http://www.dpjs.co.uk/modern.html. Read it.

what does that mean? you can't type sh!t post? Weirdo? if u believe in the devil ur screwed. whatever so yeah it's weird, all of it. Ok astral travel is weird? uh huh uh no.....it's more common than u think ok? so you need to research and not the foodo voodo sh!T either. Check with ur docotr as well. I'm not telling anyone to NOT go to the doctor. logic plays a huge role in what I'm saying and a lot of things we know to be true. So yeah i wouldn't waste ur time with astral travel if i didn't expericence it, If I didn't do my own research. than it would be me feeding some line. Use your head, your heart and soul. become intuned with nature, check out ur doc. check medical histories and paranormal records and stuff. Let the asnwers come to you. ok? so yeah research, go to the doc. and tell me what's up okay. oh I'll pray for you as well. God Bless (you all)

ryan no honey no. I'm sane. ok sane. what's ur deal. I don't need to look on satanist are u one? I'm fine in fact Im going to become a Psychiatrist. SO I know alot about the human brain. I also do paranormal research so I know my sh!T Thank you

And you are extremly dumb as well.
Your business will tank.
No one wants to listen to some therapist that does not shut the fuck up, and drag's the same thing on and on, for hours.

thanx but no thanx. ok? r u a satanist and if so why?

Yes, I am. I do not believe in the devil. I have no form of gOD. And it's not over complicated.

im not dumb @$$h0l3 I'm well educated. I believe in God and always will. In the end goodness prevails. Darkness can only exist in the dark. So you can try to overcome the light but at some point the light breaks through like when night turns day or when the moon shines in the dark sky or the millions of stars out there. God will take care of us all even u. not dumping on you but, really I know my stuff. Oh and I know when to be quite your the one dragging B.S. I'm trying to educate people about stupidness like deamons and satan.

Premises of Satanism
Heaven, Hell, Existence
"There is no heaven of glory bright, and no hell where sinners roast. Here and now is our day of torment! Here and now is our day of joy! Here and now is our opportunity! Choose ye this day, this hour, for no redeemer liveth!"
The Satanic Bible: The Book of Satan IV:2

Things that exist do so due to perfectly ordered and natural phenomenon. Gods, omniscient, omnipotent or omnipresent beings (etc) cannot exist.

Many Satanists keep an open mind, and many do believe in unexplained phenomena, Forteana, and of course, a strong doubt that we will ever know everything. Some believe in spirits and such but believe them to be the result of natural science, not of divinity.

Philosophical keywords and generic descriptive labels
Satanism can be considered to be:
Atheistic. There are no Gods in Satanism.

Not dualistic: souls and bodies are indivisible and there is no war between cosmic good and cosmic evil

Autodeists - we worship ourselves. The only God we can ever perceive is in our own existential world. We are each a God.

Materialistic

A "human potential" movement. Striving for longer life and a better education. Science And Technology Are Necessary: We who walk this dark path along with the same interests will pursue the elimination of Human limitation to the maximum

Of the left hand path

Opposition of religions, especially those that hold a belief in an afterlife. Satanism is an un-religion. Satanism adopts the adversaries of major religions as it's standard bearers

Also:
Only the self is sacred. Nothing is holy except clarity of thought

Satanists do not pray

Meditation is considered a valid path of self discovery

Stupidity is the cardinal "sin" of Satanism, the sin which is believed to cause all other Human evil

Is Satanism just Humanism?
"Humanism shares materialistic views and ethical methodology with the Satanist and we have the same opinions on the emptiness of religion. Satanism is religious whereas Humanism is not due to the religious symbolism, ceremony, ritualistic and dogmatic aspects of Satanism. Satanism is also Left Hand Path, Humanism is not. For these reasons, although Satanists are not strictly "religious" in most senses of the word, Satanism is clearly a religion. Although the differences in metaphysics are so extremely opposed to what is classically considered 'religious' that some take to calling Satanism the unreligion, which is a term I find appealing!"
"Humanism" by Vexen Crabtree 2002 Nov 17

Who is Satan?
"Satan is not a real, living entity, conscious or a physical thing that can be interacted with. It is a symbol, something ethereal, something that basically doesn't exist except as an emotional attachment and personal dream. Just like Buddhists do not worship Buddha, Satanists hold up Satan as an ultimate principal rather than an object of literal worship. Satan inspires and provokes people, like all (honest) religions the ultimate point is self-help. God believers have a different opinion on what Satan is, but their opinion is a result of their religion. Satanism's Satan is much more eclectic and multicultural than to be defined by Christianity or Islam.
Satan is the dark force in nature representing the carnal nature and death of all living things. Satan is the best word to describe our powerful and independent symbolic figurehead and our opposition of God and organized religion accords with even traditional views of Satan. The materialism of Satanism (even the spiritual components are highly reductionist) is a direct challenge of God, Allah, and all or other religious symbols. Satan wishes to replace God. The Christian Bible and other artefacts of religion may be plundered and misused as required as they're merely Human inventions. The social engineering aspect shows through with our imagery and style, we control people with it.

Of course Satanism has denominations and widely varying beliefs. Many types of Satanism exist including some where Satan is seen as a living being. I think if there was a god, it would probably be an evil one. In these, thankfully, the basis of the belief is not the Christian Bible and I call these beliefs "Righteous Satan" theologies. All the elements of Satan I have just mentioned are discussed in more depth below and on the essays linked from this page."

Introduction to the essay "Who is Satan" by Vexen, 2000

That huge post describes the very basics of the religion.

Well, than why do you feel the need to come after me? I believe that there are white, gray, and dark entities out in the world. I pray to GOD that I'm a white entity. I'm pretty sure I am. White entites are people who are part of GOD fully. They want him, the need him, gray's are peole unsure whether they want him or want to stray, dark's are entities who don't want god and reject him. But all in all we will meet our maker. So I hope that ur not a dark entitiy cause it's a disgusting life. Do good and get good. I'll pray for you too. I'm not saying what u do is wrong cause that's between you, whoever, and God. But I hope I can shed some light on somethings.....

gOD is a Asexual being, making "him" an it.

Ryan why did u say gOD? HUH? Anyway I believe in a male God AND Female God Azna. She goes by many other names. Asexual is an interesting way to look at it...Look we can agree to disagree but there's no deamons and no devil coming after this young lady!!!!! Pray girl pray. Check out doc, research and yeah all that there are logical reasons for thses things ok? Ryan your interestingf I gotta read your work....

OK Ryan I read your dark poem great job. Try my stuff tell me what u think...

ok well not all of it is dark... interesting though... ok that oujie board..I'm glad u stopped that!!! It's a portal into the spirit realm. Girl that's probably why u r buggin' Those things attracts ghost and stuff. there are dark ghost that mess around with your head and stuff but never ever possess you. They aren't stabbing you... Maybe you should have your house blessed or something...Yeah anyway sounds interesting...read a poem of urs (i believe so...) so yeah I hope things get better!!!

Naima - Your opinion is exactly that. an OPINION. You can't go around saying that it doesn't exist. Some people may believe it does and just because you don't doesn't mean other people don't have the right to.

Just take a look in most of these threads....you'll find quite a few.

um...ismail look buddy! I so didn't not say "Naima: Good, great you don't believe in god, why go have a lenghty discussion about you not believing in him, just say you don't. It will make it easier."

Soyeah ur dumb obviously otherwise you wouldn't post that stupid sh!T! If you paid attention to my post than u would know that I am all about GOD. How dare u fool.

O to that other person whichever, who ever. It's not an opinion it's a fact, while some things are formed opions like the 75% of the bible tec... others like the devil, demons, and things of that nature are not in real. Yeah I said it! Believe what you want to believe, I will take u up on whatever u think to be right when I see the devil, hearit, smell it, touch, taste it everything, dido for demons. I have never felt the Presence of another of that crap! That's what it is crap! Scary how people can easily brain wash you with all kind of stuff!!!! Man! You can keep your thoughts, cause I'm gonna keep mine but really I am so into GOD, Spirituality, the afterlife the goodness even though we are most times in the dark. Foolish to think I am an athesist, nope dumbell....READ!!! AND COMPREHEND!!!!

Flying. Satanism is not what you think.
I do not read "Satans Book". I do not believe in gOD's or anything like that. If you read that massive post you might get a little of it.

Um Ryan I think we got enough. So yeah ur u. I'm be lets agree to disagree. I love GOD and am nothing without him/her. I rather just say GOD when I'm speaking of the ultimate being or a.k.a my creator. I use hse or Goddess when I'm speaking from GOD in the femine view. So yeah everyone thanx for making this topic good. Nice to see people talking. I hope you all know that Religion is a controversal topic. Oh and Ismail I DO SO BELIEVE IN GOD U DOOF.

PEACE
Naima

Ismail me being a satanist explains alot?
What does it exactly explain?

That it does.

I tried to prove you wrong?

I did not try to prove you wrong.

ISMAIL "LIKE UH #@&$ YOU!!!!" Cause uh, um like... I so have to twirl my blonde wig and ponder on wheter your just spewing out what you think. Um like if u did research which obviously oyu haven't otherwise you wouldn't come up short! You would know more than you do and wouldn;t have said what u said.
GOD is GOD. There is NO DEVIL! Why does everythinmg have to be BLACK/WHITE good bad? Life is shades of gray. There is a creator but why would u need an enemy? If GOD is so powerful(and he is) why would he create a devil? what's the use? It's not like he's really gonna get much of a challenge... GOD could and would wipe out the devil like !!!!that!!!! Also why make people only to lose them to your creaton? Why would God create an adversay? HUH? If he could create and do as he pleases why go through the trouble of making a devil sending him out there to keep them away from GOD...Sorry it makes amazing movies and shows. It reads well in books but doesn't add up. If all GOD had to do was snap his fingers and we'd all be gone why let the devil run around and bother people? NO! CRAP! I KNOW IM A BIT EFFUSIVE and it's because I care about what people are taking in. It's crazy to think GOD would create such a thing. GOD said he know's all for even the hairs upon your head r numbered so If GOD knew that Lucifer was gonna disobey why let him? and if so who the hell was making Lucifer jealous and doing wrong? HUH? If he's the damn devil who the hell made him evil? GOD saw that Lucifer was a precious Angel and well liked him and made him up there in the ranks... GOD no idiot and what ur saying is that he is!!!! He knows all!!! So why would he go out his way for this angel with evil intent? Crap 4real!!! That's so not right!!!! So than GOD creates hell and sends the devil done there and says here you have your own palace, your own angels (the demons) and I'm proud to have you as my nemisis, yup right? So GOD is like lets fight over "my people" and see who they want to follow....Nope wrong what's up with u people? That so isn't right!!!! things don't happen like that!!!! sorry. GOD made the heavens, and the stars, the planets, the moon, the sun, the plants, and animals, than he created man to have dominion over it all. When he was done he said "All Was Good" which means that he was pleased with what he created. So? The story of Lucifer is way later in the bible and so GOD didn't didn't have the devil around then. I know, I know!!!! The serpant that deceived Eve... So... does that mean that serpant crawled into heaven (cause they say it used to walk) and made Lucifer evil... Yup... It's a wonderful fairy tale... *sigh*

I didn't attempt to prove you wrong. I wasn't making an arguement just asked a question.

jesi and flying w/o wings here is the deal... Ghost are people who have not gone to heaven. They are not devils or demons but people who have not gone to heaven... not because they are evil or bad but because they had complications like most ghost don't want to leave earth or, they are trying to haunt or watch over a loved one... Spirits are people who went to heaven, spirirts aren't bad but good. Spirits come to look after you and sometimes save you from danger... Spirits are the good guys that you may see but are never evil or scary looking because they were made whole again in heaven. Like the bible says " you will be made new..." so yeah... I've read up on some Islam before Ismail went on to rant. My uncle is Muslim and is constanly trying to persued the family to be like him. I am me, I have my own views and opinons. I don't believe in the devil or demons so.... yeah and there isn't good w/o evil evil is here because evil has manifested in the heart of man. People have free will and some choose to reject GOD so.... There are people out there that are "dark' and it's sad but it's life. No I don't believe GOD decided to create the devil and then made him and angel than made a pact to fight over mans heart. It sounds likea fairy tale but that's me.... You don't believe some of my stuff so I have the right not to believe yours... Let's all agree to disagree. So w/o wings no demons no devil, you will be fine. Oh Ryan ur 16 do ur parents know ur a satanist? if so what do they think?....

I jnow evil exist that is very evident. I don't believe in devils and demons. I believe saying that there r devils and demons in africans is very racist. No there are no demons in mental patients?!? Crazy, but that's me.....

Someone needs to erase this shit.

Ismail how the heck r u? I am not a BITCH! How rude! No one will be slapping me silly! No devil!!!! Your muslim so? I can't say sh!t to you cause you feel that you are right! Just like my uncle! So.... Keep your opinon, I will keep mine!!!! Believe in the devil good! Don't try to drag me down with you! I ahve no time for stupid stuff like the devil and demons. Why would you need a special person who weilds evilness? No! people have been given free will and so some people stray away from god, some people decide or happen to get themselves into evilness or wickedness... But there is no devil making people evil. Stop looking for a scapegoat! The answers reside within you! No one else! If you did something bad it's because !you! did something bad!!!! Not because a devil did it! If you kill someone what r u gonna say? The devil made me do it? Right! I f you wanna plead insanity! Otherwise they are gonna throw your @$$ in jail!!!Prison, wherever! I'm not racist! I will sing it till the Lord comes home!!!!

Andrea honey you need to be checked out. Something is very wrong if you here a demon calling....Praise they Lord! Surround yourself with the white light of the holy spirit, go to church, see a doctor, have your psyche checked out, see a nureorologist or something. but ur not rite if u hear some demon calling. And so just so everyone can read what did it sound like? how do you know it was a demon? there are diagonsis for ur condition.....

okay miss I'm not really saying your racist but what you said was... and there are plenty of people who would say" I have _____ friends whether they be black, gay..." it's so cliche and annoying and most don't but say it to make u feel better or to excuse their behaivor...What weird demon stuff? I've been close to a pastor and he as well told me about some people being possessed it's very interesting and makes great television, movies,books and such but no... I don't believe in that stuff....I have GOD on my side and that's all I need....

Flying I don't believe and I'm staying just to piss you off.

what! whatever! I don't believe in demons!!! Byotch!!!1 So? Look you asked what people believed? So I'm saying what I believe? You gave us the freedom to talk and now that I'm talking you want me to be quiet? No!!!!! Heck no! Im not done!!!! So I don't believe in demons or a devil? That's me! So I'm staying cause I have the freedom to say what I may. I don't believe in demons If you want to continue believing in them than go on... sad but go on... I'll pray for you!!! but it's sad.... so sad.....

Isamil you are a rude mother#*@&$%!I'm no bigot, fool, idiot or anything else you might want to call me! I don't believe in the devil! Now who's the fool? Your muslim for goodness sakes! How the heck are you gonna tell someone about the devil if there too aren't following your faith? I don't believe in the devil and I'm not muslim and at this given moment in time I don't aspire to be. It's not really for me! If your religion is all about peace why the heck are you so verbally abusive? Your rude and a hypocrite! That's what you are! No those words wont dig my grave! Why would they? I speak my mind and what It told me was that saying that there are demons possessing all these people in africa was a bit racist! Why aren't they possessing anyone else? I mean you could have at least given another example!

Your proof is just what you said! Your proof! I don't need that sh!T I chave my own proof! The devil and demons do not exist! I have GOD and that is all I need! The devil can't comfort me! Can't love me! can't create me! can't save me! What the hell is your devil capapble of? possessing people? manipulating people? How do I know if "the devil" isn't possessing you? You seem to want everyone to believe that it's real.... Maybe your doing it's dirty work?!? I don't care! Become comsumed with all the Bull! Just leave me out of it!!!!!