TO THE WOLF PACK - PLEASE READ.

Rachel,
I understand what you mean. There are people who cut and do not proclaim it to the world. They are ashamed and wish that they had the strenght to stop, yet for them it's hard to cope. I understand and I know what you mean. In those cases, yes it can really be bad if we 'bash' and it won't help at all. But the thing is, those people don't usually come onto these forums to argue because they're scared. They don't even want to talk about their cutting. That is why I feel safe 'bashing' the cutters here because most of them I can't even take seriously. It totally depends on the person, and how they tell me they cut and the reasons.

I hope that made some sense.

That's so cool Dorotea. I agree with you there.

Yeah it made total sense to me. I understand where you're coming from now...cause I didnt ask for help personally because I was scared I was gonna get bashed....but then again I didnt mind reading what you said when bashing other cutters because it made me realise how stupid I was. Hmm now Ive just totally confused myself...basically I agreed with what you just said lol.

Welcome back Dorotea...

I'm glad you two, Rachel and Crimson, are slowly agreeing...and Dorotea and Ismail, you've done beautiful jobs explaining...

See, if most people understood the Pack as well as you two do, Rachel and Crimson, then everyone would agree what we do is right...it can help...In most cases....

Yeah, I agree most of what the pack do is right, but in just a few cases I feel you can be quite harsh .

WOW I just dyed my eyelashes :D:D:D Sorry...nobody cares lol.

Same here Rachel...

And wow...that's pretty weird....what color? o.O......

Erm well they were menna be like those 30 day mascara kits in black but....it came out kinda purple instead! So I have purple eyelashes for 30 days WOOHOOO!

Lol! Nice....

Ismail, your arrogance has no ends!

What gives you the right to bash someone because you think they need to hear "your" truth? Do you think yourself so possessed of knowledge and wisdom that you can dispense the sum of your experience and call it a truth everyone needs to live by?

You're nothing more than an arrogant lost child whose has gotten a taste of power in here. And if what you said about your past is true, and you were abused, i might ask what helped you through it? I guess your answer must be, that people told you how weak you were, and how pathetic...that must have sorted you right out.

Take a look at hospitals where PROFESSIONAL therapits treat cutters...why do you think they do the exact OPPOSITE to you and your gang of idiots?

Have a think about that one and get back to me.

It is not just Ismail's truth. The rest of the pack, and alot of other people, such as me, agree with Ismail.
Maybe what they do is not what professionals do, BUT IT DOES HELP.

Lost my train of thought...

I just wrote the best poem ever about my eyelashes....sorry just thought Id let everyone know :) lol

I think I will check that out...just so I can have a good laugh...shall be interesting...Lol...

I personally think its the best poem Ive ever written :D

Aww you actually read it! And you commented! Thank you :)

No problem...=)

Broken morte, let me ask you, if bashing people is the best way to help them, then why don't PROFESSIONAL therapists do it?...have a little think...then say it with me

BECAUSE IT DOESN'T WORK!!

In the short term, people might say they feel better or you have made them see the truth...but in reality all you've made them do is see your truth, which isn't right for them because it's not from their point of view...do you get what i'm saying..it hasn't envolved out of their problem, ala, in the long run it won't help them, it's just you and your fuckwit friends spouting all in a disgusting self righteous manner.

get a grip. The wolf pack is a joke. a sign of weakness is ever i saw one to prey on others in numbers.

Britt, wolf man, whatever.

Let me ask you the same question i asked morte.

What was it that got you out of cutting?

Ps, as someone who claims to have studied psychology, and also been a former cutter, you should be ashmed of yourself to sign up with a bunch of cowardly,arrogant wanks like the wolf pack.

but answer my question if you will.

Professionals don't bash, Kevin, ebcause they are paid to sit and listen. The pack does this out of THEIR time, and they do it for a good cause.

Britt is right, about everything. I had the same feelings, everything except feeling immortal...I just thought it was all my cares in my worried in that blood and it was all finally escaping my body. But I was wrong, and I've realized that now that THE PACK has helped me. THEY are the reasons I don't and will not cut again.
THEY DO HELP.

It's Mortie, not Morte.

Britt is a woman, not a man, a very intelligent young woman with a heart of gold, and does not deserve to be treated like shit. She wouldn't lie, it's obvious, why would she need to lie?

Maybe YOU should get a heart and take your head out of your ass and have a look. The pack has helped more people then I'm sure you have. The pack is the closest thing to a professional psychiatrist on this site.

I think I said all I needed to ....anything else, sir?

I heart you too Britt =)
I love you too Kristen.

Thanks m'loves. xxxx

Many of the wolf pack, and others have been through cutting. Everyone is different, no one can have the same thioughts or feelings. Just because u have been through it, don't assume every other cutter will be the same as you. I enjoyewd reading your post, and agree with it. The above is not addressed to you.

Aww, thanks Nada. That was a great answer.

You're so smart. Lol.

Morning all.

Nada, you are wrong about trying to help people by keeping your mind open and your heart closed.

These cutters need more than just cold reason and logic..they need support, empathy, love....and yes, some logical thinking and reason...but one works less well with a complete absence of the other.

And ismail, you should stop using your own history as the reason you feel being harsh with people is justified...you made it, well down, not very many people do on their own. thing is...WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU!...did you hear that?

it's not about you and your history, that doesn't mean shit.....your truth doesn't mean shit to these people, it's all about you and not them...it's Ismail centered therapy, and not person centered.

I realize that by fighting you all i'm doing nothing more than bashing you for bashing....but someone has to, and you clearly do not think very much of the gentle approach.

I'm sorry for what happened to you ismail, nothing is worse than child abuse, but really, passing that hate on is not the way. You are the exception to the rule. Don't make the mistake of forcing it onto other people.

Kevin...I honestly do not believe that it is that serious. If you let what someone says to you over the internet (let's be reminded these people don't know each other) then you are a weak minded person. Most of these kids on here are just seeking any kind of attention. (I am not saying that is necessarily a bad thing either, but-I- think it’s silly) I don't personally know or care about anyone on this site and I am not here to HELP anyone, that is not my job nor am I trained. I've said all this many times....and of course I am only speaking for myself. I just don't think any of this should be the HUGE deal that it is. If people don't like us...or more importantly just me, they don't HAVE to talk to me. If you make a post and include my name OF COURSE I will respond. That is in deed what you are asking for. So if you don’t like someone or a group of people don’t respond to them, don’t put yourself in a position for them retaliate.

And YOU is a generalization.

Natalie, you perhaps need to take some of your own advice. If you don't like cutters talking about cutting, then ignore them, don't respond. Do what you think i should.

Ha.

And Ismail, i'm not saying we should sugar coat life for they cutters, but stomping on them is not the way, it's not my way. I don't like it and i'm going to challenge anyone who does it for as long as it takes. I've seen more people complain about your methods than praise you for them, except of course the members of your cult like pack.

Yes, that would be good Kevin. However, my name is in all their posts. Like I said put my name in your thread and I will respond as I'm sure that's what you wanted.

Kevin, I totally agree to everything you have said.

Finally someone in here that has a little sense. Thank you!!

Crimson I never read your post before...But I just now read it.

I never pretended to understand what cutters went through. Not what caused them to cut but more of what the cutting caused. I can understand the problems they have as we all have shit in our lives that we hate and that just really sucks. But it is a weak escape...as you put it an "easy way out" and some others simply say a "quick and easy fix." I do believe that it's completely selfish, regardless of the situation. Horrible things that girl had to go through but what did cutting do for her? Nothing. It made her terrible situation that much worse. That's all I have ever tried to say.

Right Ok, that's fair enough.

All I tried to say was that people should look into self-harm a little more you know, research it to get a better understanding of it. I never could understand why you called it weak and pathetic when you don't (as far as I know) have any knowledge on it.

Cutting controls peoples lives and it is a very hard and unpleasant illness.

But you yourself just said it was "an easy way out" The easy way out is weak.

Yeah, it was an easy way out. A very selfish thing to do. If I'm weak then I'm weak, I'll admit it.

But why should you call people weak when you don't know anything about them, and have no understanding on self-harm.

That's just really what I couldn't understand. I'm glad you're stopping the whole thing though.

I do understand what you mean. My thoughts on cutting and other forms of self harm are obviously very different than yours. I may not know the DETAILS about it but I know enough to form an opinion. Though we may have different opinions I DO believe we CAN talk about it.

Yep fair enough. But do you not think that some of the things you said to people were pretty harsh?

Like telling them to ''slice and dice'' themselves?

I mean, I agree with bashing to an extent, but for me what you WERE doing was bullying.

Yeah, I suppose ...

They'll get over it, really. I honestly don't think it was that serious. And maybe you didn't see it but a lot of them asked for it. Adding our names in their threads...a few almost like they wanted us to go talk to them. You should never take what anyone says to heart, not over the internet. I am NOTHING to them....nothing but a mere screen name. I shouldn't have gotten inside them like that and hurt them. If I did then damn I guess I would feel bad....but still the problem is theirs. There are more extreme problems within. And ANYTHING I could have said even just simply shut up could set them...if things were in deed that bad.

Weird Britt??? I'm your evil bitch...MUaahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHA LMAO

Yeah maybe a few were asking for it. Like them damn attention seekers.

Well I guess I can't say anything more than that. You always manage to bring out something good in what you do! But I totally agree. I'm just glad you stopped the whole thing before it went to far.

Well seriously. I personally thought it was going a lil' to far.

Apparently someone was in hospital cause of all the bashing. I think Georgi told people. Not sure if I believe that though ... It's probably bullshit.

I definitely do NOT believe that. If someone was in the hospital then there was something worse going on in their life. Seriously, I don't see how that could happen. Especially if Georgi started that little rumor.

And I too agree with Britt about OTHERS thinking it was going to far. It was people within the group that made me leave. Dorotea said she respected the people who were actually trying to help people......Ex. Nada. But when the "Wolf Pack" was named it was NOT named for people trying to help others....am I wrong? Correct me if I am. It was named because we were mean. It started out as Old Dirty Rats that turned into the rat crew. I don't see how RAT CREW is a crew out to HELP others. LMAO Now everyone is saying oh we want to change people's lives and blah blah....BS