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No need to take it back mort....lol

Well you could accidentally smoke a lethal drug...... but thats not the point here.

The conversation was about cutters WANTING to cut. Wanting and needing something can often overlap each other and so cause confusion.

I'm jumping in on the conversation... *jump* ....If thats alright........

Yes, I agree that smoking, cutting, etc is a choice but some people become too hard-headed to realize that. They come to THINK that they need it, so they don't see it as a choice. they see it as the only thing to run too, and some think they have to do it in order to move on with their life. I know with my smoking I NEED a ciggarette to stop thinking about it or else it becomes the only thing I think about. So, because of the addiction and the choice I made to fall into that addiction I became dependant on it and my mind has grown to NEED it.

Lol Nici....Yes, accidentally....but not in packaged tobacco....I'm pretty sure they got that worked out.

Great answer Renee.

Don't think anyone can disagree with that.

Agreed....When a person is depressed the mind tends to send wrong messages perhaps? Telling them that cutting is what they need and its the only way to "stop the pain"...and they believe what their mind is saying....but what it really is their choice to do it...they just want to get rid of the "pain" and since cutting has made them "forget" before, that's why they do it...but all in all it's really just choice...make sense?....well that's my opinion anyways...hopefully that doens't offend anymore E>

Renne...You would live without a cigarette. You would live without cutting yourself. You do NOT NEED it.

I do agree renee...to an extent...to the fact that you'll think you need it, but you really don't...once again, the whole mind playing tricks...

yea, that makes sense.

I guess it all depends on where yoour looking from.

If your looking from the mind of a cutter, It's a need. If your looking from the rest of the world, it's a choice.

Agreed.

yea, I don't need it natalie...I know that. but I guess sometimes I want to need it, ya know?

I THINK it helps me, even if I KNOW it doesn't.

But there are cutters in here that agree it's a choice. Explain that. How can some cutters agree and yet some disagree. It's all choice. It's your choice to pick up a cigarette every time. My mother smokes like a chimney and she says all the time she NEEDS a cigarette and I'm constantly correcting her. She makes fun of me since I smoke too....but I understand it's my choice. I do not need it.

Renee being a smoker I completely understand what you're saying but it's our choice to do or not. And I smoke black and milds and EVERYONE is ALWAYS telling me how bad it is and how I need to stop...but I CHOOSE not to.

I'm a former cutter...not a cutter...just incase you thought I still did it =).

I'm right with you Nat...it's the mind that says you need it...but the truth is it's a choice, its a want...not a need.

Exactly Mort.

And I KNOW you do NOT..... ;)

O god, I love blacks...damn you, I was trying to get that off my mind...

anyways, to get back to the seriousness...

to answer your question on why some cutters know its a choice and some don't, I guess there are mature cutters, and cutters who still have the mindset of a child and don't look at things in reality.

Or in other words attention seekers....lol

'Explain that. How can some cutters agree and yet some disagree.'

Natalie, I think that there will always be people who will disagree and equally people who will agree. It is all about their perception of the situation and how they feel that they can justify their actions. This is not just with cutting but can be made relevant to many other addictions.

lol...yea that pretty much sums 'em up

Or because maybe some used to be the ones who knew it was a choice..then they became the cutters and they know still that its a choice...kind of like smokers...they know its not right, but they just want to do it to make themselves feel better..perhaps? just a thought.....And then there's the ones who find cutting, use it and believe that since other people used it to resolve their problems, that now they need it to fix theirs...which isn't the truth, just what they think??? I don't know...

Nici I understand. But CUTTING is such a heated topic and it's usually all cutters stick together. They all agree with each other. And some times I wonder if half of them actually believe what they are arguing for.

yea, that sounds about right mort...

Natalie, you are probably right there in saying that some people don't know what they are arguing for. Like 'jumping on the band wagon' I guess.

whoa...you guys are like reading my mind here...kinda freaky...

about the "band wagon" thing...that is definitley why I started cutting, smoking, drinking. then, once I developed a dependence for it, it became MY choice to stop for me, or to keep going to satisfy my mind.

I think what Georgi is saying is the side that thinks its a need (no offence Georgi) and we're the side that sees it as a want....but you can actually connect the two...Georgi was saying that they want to feel in control...the control that they need to feel...because they feel they lost control in all else....but see, the want to feel the control, the control that cutting gives...so thed o it, because they want that control...which is pretty much just saying they want to cut...but for the control...make sense?

I agree Renee...cept I didn't start like that....but the same state of mind applies?

It makes sense but as she was going on and on she failed to realize she proved my point. They want to feel in control and in saying that they pick up a knife and find it the "only way" they know how.

I think the key word Renee used was 'dependance'
It links the need for something and the want to continue with it.

"which is pretty much just saying they want to cut...but for the control...make sense?"

yes, makin a lot of sense.

like they cut not to feel the pain but to do something that they can be proud of? maybe not, just a thought.
I dunno anymore guys, I'm running out of intelligeince. my mind is going blank.

Same here...I think we've pretty muched proved a point x4 lol =P

lol

But it was fun

Shwas. :}

Well, I'm going to head out with this...need to clean and stuff. Take care m'loves. EE> Best wishes...talk later let's hope.

Natalie ur doing my head in
stop bashing something you do not understand.
U complete moron.

?
who is she bashing?

Natalie

"Kevin...I honestly do not believe that it is that serious. If you let what someone says to you over the internet (let's be reminded these people don't know each other) then you are a weak minded person. Most of these kids on here are just seeking any kind of attention. (I am not saying that is necessarily a bad thing either, but-I- think it’s silly) I don't personally know or care about anyone on this site and I am not here to HELP anyone, that is not my job nor am I trained."

People express their feelings on here,Over the internet because they are too afraid to tell people face,to face.I stopped cutting.I would have never gotten the courage to talk to my mother about my problems,but she found out on her own.People try to talk about it over the internet because it takes the embarrasment,and nervousness away.It's an easy way to get help,unless no ones willing to give them that,people like you.
Believing someone over the internet,does not make someone a weak minded person.It shows they have a heart,and they are willing to help people,who need just that.Help.And the whole reason of this post,is a great example.He mother didn't understand the point in self harming.When she saw teenagers self harming,and being put into the hospital she finally understood.
You are not on this site to help people,that in which I agree.But you are not on this site to bash people either.If people ask for help,And you said it yourself,that's not why you're on here,then dont respond.Let someone who will help them respond,so they wont feel worse about themselfs.

I dont know you,and I don't care for you,Because like you said,it's only over the internet.But i'm willing to help people,Because unlike you,I understand why people ask for help over the internet.If you can't see that,then so be it.Just don't bash people who do not wish to be bashed.

My point is that you shouldn't take insult to what people say over the internet. If you do I'm pretty sure your WHOLE damn life will be a train wreck. These people ask for help that only a professional can give. Simple advice in certain situations anyone can give, even I do sometimes. But for people who are SERIOUSLY having issues, "help" (as you like to call it) over the internet is not a good source. Whether you've been through it or not if someone is having a SERIOUS problem you can't help. They need family, REAL friends, and professionals at their side. Words through a damn screen are NOT going to cure them. I understand people asking for little advice (on this internet of course) but not about life changing decisions. Let's get real here. If you put my name in something then you are just asking for me to respond. In this thread I was NOT bashing anyone. Stating my opinion is ALL I am guilty of. I thought I did it respectfully and tastefully as I had quite a few people chatting with me. I don't give a damn if you like me or not, I am not here to earn YOUR respect and interest.

Aargh, everyone's taken over my post !

Georgi....I have nothing more to say to as you can't take anyone disagreeing with you. You should be right all of the time and that's that. That's not how the world works, get over yourself.

ME get over myself!? u must be kidding! take a good long look in the mirror and ask yourself just who u have become because half the people on this site hate you.