Poems must rhyme

hey thats not nice

its ok martin i understand

I was always one to be on the "A poem does NOT have to rhyme" band wagon...but technically... if you look it up in the dictionary, poetry rhymes... free verse and prose do not rhyme.

I do think that "poetry" has come to include all forms of verse, though...at least on a site such as this.

Yea sory thats not true at all, ppl make there art with out rhymeing man thats all it is art don't critizize for that.

A poem really doesnt have to rhyme. Some poems that dont rhyme are better than the ones that do and vise versa.

If you really think that martian, thats a poetic crime, so to say. To make a poem unrhyming is way harder then making it rhyme, you have to make it flow, I know I can't do it very well, and you prolly can't either. Anyways, I don't mean to be mean, just expressing opinion
Luv,

-Blue

i agree martin luv heather

Okay, you're VERY wrong about that. "poems must rhyme, to not is a poetic crime"? okay well let me let you in on something. there are no laws to writting poetry. and no dude, rhymming does not give the poem feeling. the words within the poem, give it feeling. "if there's no rhyme it is a story"? well, isn't that kinda what poetry is anyways? it's all a story, some just rhyme. okay and "that deserves no glory" part...tha's just total bull. some people work very hard on their writings. wether they rhyme or not. I mean someone could've worked for days on a poem that didn't rhyme and some other person could've come up with one in like 10 minutes that rhymed. and the one that didn't rhyme coulda been way better. and you're wrong about how rhymming shows time and effort. rhyming just shows that...well, someone can rhyme. I mean, I can rhyme a 28 line poem in like no time. its actually...kinda easy. but to others...its not. and what do u mean "if you can't do that your no expert? " there are plenty of writers out there who write beautiful poetry, that don't make em rhyme. being expert has nothing to do with anything. unless, the only reason you're writing it to get "glory" or whatever. then I guess you'd try to be, but I don't know. and to finish this off, the words in a poem can flow together very well, even if they don't rhyme. by the way, how long did it take you to make that up above? did you put a lotta time and effort into that?cuz it DOES look kinda short to me. anyways, whatever dude. you're just plain out wrong

Rhyming like you did there (forced rhyme) strips the poem of all feeling and atmosphere

Such ignorance.

Personally, I think rhyming shows less creativity, in most cases. There are some exceptional writers who can pull it off while still sounding serious, some who can still convey the message. I find that in the majority of cases, the rhyme detracts from the message that the author is trying to get across, and many times can end up with a sing-songy, childish feeling, prime example given above.

I would highly prefer to read a poem that stimulates my thoughts on a subject, one that makes me think long after I've closed the book, or the internet, whichever it may be, than a poem with rhymes that can only reach the surface of a topic. I'm always open to an author that can come up with new ways of saying something, an author that can arrange words in a manner that no one has previously thought of, rather than the same tired, predictable rhymes. If they can rhyme with some original flair, great! Unfortunately, the rarity of this talent is unbelievable.

And anyone who wants to impose rules on an art form (especially poetry) simply has no understanding of it.

But I guess while we're sharing opinions... here's mine: poems should have words spelled correctly and not use internet shorthand. But hey, it's your creation.

That's total BS and a crock of S**T, poems do not need to rhyme at all.

I'm curious as to how many people here actually know the definition of poetry according to the dictionary... of course I am aware that poetry has many definitions, nontheless..
Look it up.

Then come back and express these unchained emotions. :)

Poetry:
* noun: literature in metrical form (metrical being the key word here)

Metrical:
* adjective: the rhythmic arrangement of syllables ( rhythmic: being the key word here)

Rhythmic:
adjective: recurring with measured regularity
Example: "The rhythmic chiming of church bells- John Galsworthy"

So according to the dictionary, poetry must have some kind of rhythmic form.

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A Poem

A poem is a being, that creeps up to you in whispers. It has the ability to rip your heart out with a single phrase, or mend it with a few words. It is alive for it eats my emotions, drinks my tears, and has the form of my imagination.

i think that is sooo unfair and insensative! some people write to get feeling out nd say things that they dont want to 'talk' about.
so if it has feeling and meaning, it DOES NOT NEED TO RHYME!!!

I personally value rhyme in poetry. I think, it lends itself well and adds flair when done right. I almost never write poems that aren't lyrical, rhymed. I just like the flow of it all. I think if you're going to take the time to do metrical work and break it down by or into lines and stanza, then why not rhyme it. It's one thing, if your using a non-rhyming poetry form, but if not, then why not rhyme. There are many ways, forms, and styles of writing that allow for expression that aren't Poetry and therefore linked to rhyme, as Dramas, Essays, Prose and such that one can use to express their feelings or express themselves in a creative manner . When I write poetry I rhyme, usually, as I said, it just feels and seems more natural. In general, I write poetically in all of my writing, whether it is an Essay, Drama, Prose, or Poetry, but when it’s poetry I explicitly take the time and make the effort to rhyme. Now, if you can do a much better and more artful writing job, without rhyme (rhyming) then go write ahead, and if you can do a splendid metered (metrical) piece with a wonderful lyrical flow, kudos, but most people who attempt as such, fall short of a elegant, eloquent, beautifully artful piece (poem), so, unless you can accomplish this lofty feat, stick to using effective rhymes. Shakespeare wrote lot things Essays, Dramas, Prose, and such, but only that in which he had meter and/or rhyme was called, titled poetry. Poetry is meter, rhythm, rhyme, and lyrical flow at its core. Yes, all poems don’t necessarily have to have all of these factors, but these factors distinctly define what poetry is.

Definition of Poetry:

Poetry (ancient Greek: ποιεω (poieo) = I create) is traditionally a written art form (although there is also an ancient and modern poetry which relies mainly upon oral or pictorial representations) in which human language is used for its aesthetic qualities in addition to, or instead of, its notional and semantic content. The increased emphasis on the aesthetics of language and the deliberate use of features such as repetition, meter and rhyme, are what are commonly used to distinguish poetry from prose, but debates over such distinctions still persist, while the issue is confounded by such forms as prose poetry and poetic prose. Some modernists (such as the Surrealists) approach this problem of definition by defining poetry not as a literary genre within a set of genres, but as the very manifestation of human imagination, the substance which all creative acts derive from.
Poetry often uses condensed form to convey an emotion or idea to the reader or listener, as well as using devices such as assonance, alliteration and repetition to achieve musical or incantatory effects. Furthermore, poems often make heavy use of imagery, word association, and musical qualities. Because of its reliance on "accidental" features of language and connotational meaning, poetry is notoriously difficult to translate. Similarly, poetry's use of nuance and symbolism can make it difficult to interpret a poem or can leave a poem open to multiple interpretations.
It is difficult to define poetry definitively, especially when one considers that poetry encompasses forms as different as epic narratives and haiku. Needless to say, many poets have given their own definitions.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Soul Rebel:
dictionary shmicshonary

if we make all our judgments on a bit of ink in a book every time we don't understand something we'd be ignorant.

The dictionary has to have a definition for every word that exists, so it has to have one for poetry - and who can define poetry? Though a dictionary can't write, 'undefinable'; it has to try and define it. And the persons who did that, I doubt were poets or had extensive knowledge of poetry.
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With all due respect, did you completely missed the part where I wrote:
"of course I am aware that poetry has many definitions" ??

Advise taken, although there was no sarcasm in my post, just observation.

I spoke of dictionary,
you spoke of shmicshonary.
and the assumption was made.
No harm done.
Rock on!

Referring to the dictionary is all very well, but the dictionary is not always correct. If one has studied poetry a bit especially from the east (not just western poetry) and verse in the various poetry styles and forms around the world, then you would know that allot of poetry does not have to conform to rhymes. A good example is Japanese poetry. I suppose the same person ("David") so stuck in the dictionary would define Japanese style poetry as not being poetry because it does not have to rhyme. Or Korean or other asian poetry.

Study your poetry, open your eyes and then make your "educated" comments once you know more about the world. The center of the universe in not around a western dictionary!

It's funny how people conveniently miss vital points in my post just to find something to flame about.
or maybe the word "rhythmic" is being confused with "rhyming." hmmm

This is not about me, get back to the topic at hand.
Does poetry have to rhyme?

I will answer that FOR THE FIRST TIME NOW.

No.

In my humble opinion, poetry is an expression of my emotions.

Mr. Beasly, I am sorry if I offended you in any way. I respect my elders.
I was just curious as to how many people actually look it up. If you read a bit more carefully you will notice that I never supported the idea that poetry need to rhyme. If you got that impression then again sir, my apologies.
Please dont take these forums to serious, its not healthy for a man of your seasons. :)

Maybe you should take a bit of your own medicine (advice), this is a forum, "A place of debate and discusssion." I have not taken any offence (sir you flatter yourself way too much!), and whatever my age is, is completely off the point and not the topic of discussion! If you only had read my post carefully, I was addressing : "David" and not Mr. "Undead", unless you have multiple accounts and are the same person????

Oh I just checked, it appears that you do have multiple accounts????

Keep to the topic! My health and age is not your concern, nor is yours to me! The topic of the thread is "Poems must rhyme."

You have also missed my point entirely, a western dictionary only has one of many many definitions under ther sun. It is not gospel or the absolute truth. If you would also do some reading up, not all poetry has to be rhythmic, hmmmm?

Poetry is different in different cultures and this is what makes it interesting, there are no rigid constraints. Certain poetry structures and forms have set contraints as this was the style in which they were originally crafted. Each one is different and unique.

Your words are empty Mr Beesley.
They were based on an incorrect assumption by your part. Go back and reread, or better yet, forget it.

Let us continue on a more interesting path.
I am curious about something you said.

"If you would also do some reading up, not all poetry has to be rhythmic, hmmmm?"

Your intention seem honorable, your approach is strong.
Can you tell me what you understand by the word rhythmic?
Then, can you direct me to a poem that has no rhythym.
I have never seen one, not even in your marvelous repertoire.

Aria
You explain your opinions and ideas with ease, and without the need to belittle anyone. I salute you.

I agree with you wholeheartly. There are some concepts that are still being debated, Poetry is just one of many.
One other example is, "what is intelligence." Just when our philosophers of old thought they had it nipped ... here came the computers with their own brand of intelligence.

As far as looking up the definition of what is poetry. It can be done. But as you and Mr. Beesley pointed out. That is just one of many definitions. I guess they vary by cultures.

I still do believe that they all have a rhythm of their own.

Rock On!

Since Mr. Undead or David or whatever other name you wish to go by, you think that I have been trying to make you seem small. It seems really pointless for any futher disccussion at all.

No one has tried to do anything of the sort, but think as you may wish.

As You have said in your post very clearly that my words are empty, I will let you go on your way with your big inflated head. That's very mature of you to start with the insults! But then you can't even be truthful about listing your own age on your "multiple" profiles (since you were so interested about my age), have you something to hide? I think you were the one that started to be patronizing first.

You can't stick to the topic without some snide remark towards me, you have certainly gained my respect - not.

I would suggest that you learn some other languages and learn to read and write poetry in other languages first before making assumptions. Not all poetry is writtten in English.

Go Beesley!!! ^.^

a poem can have great flow with no rhyming.

There you go again with your suggestions. Thats what started this in the first place.

You suggested that I go research bofore posting my "educated" comments. The quotes toldme a story, and the suggestion was not necessary. You dont know me.

What do you base your assumptions on?

Multiple accounts.. no, just changed the name.
age.. 21
Languages... 2, soy Boricua y Italiano.

I love your poetry and will be commenting soon. :)
relax
rock on

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Arrogant Jester

Such is the mind of an arrogant man.
Could talk away, with nothing to say.
Yet even himself he don't understand.
Contradicting himself along the way.
A word juggler, jester to the end.
Talking to himself, with no message to send.
Hungry for attention, he can't get at home.
Crying himself to sleep, always alone.
Onslaught of a forgotten past.
Taking over everything he has.
Never won as a young child.
Always controlled, maybe defiled.
Now grown and on a mission.
To spread his word, and his pointless vision.
Obsessed with having the last word.
No matter how wrong, or how absurd.
Pity this man, is what I do.
If you could hear him, you will pity him too.
Obsessed with his point of view.
Or is he just an emotionless fool.
Trying to destroy, what he should earn,
With his destructive ways, he will burn.
Such is the mind of an arrogant man.
Never listening, unable to understand.

© 1998 David Velazquez. All rights reserved by author

Psssst! David, you don't know me either, so don't assume or presume you do and please from now on just keep your comments/remarks to yourself and I will also not respond to yours either.

sure its better if it rhymes but it doesnt have to. it doesnt even HAVE to have flow or rythme but if it doesnt it just sux.

Just because a poem rhymes doesn't make it any better then one that doesn't. It all depends on how much effort you put into it.

Poems don't need to rhyme necesarily. Its a thing of style. Depends on the author's style to write. A rhyming poem isn't better or worst than the one that doesn't. Its a thing of tastes.

did you know that there a heaps and heaps and heaps of different types of poems?... not all of them are rhyming

The Pip dude has a point there, but the other person may also be correct. All I know is , if the feeling is right when you wrote the poem then it might be good even if the people around you does'nt agree. It's like when Hendrix did his own version of The Star-Spangled Banner. People reacted differently but you can see the sincerity of his playing. Maybe it's the same with poetry, well that's my opinion.

I like that alot
good job

Give me a break,
Dude youre so fake,
a poem does not need to rhyme,
And no to not is not a crime,
Just as long as the poem flow,
it will always and forever glow.
Here's and example; Shakespeare,
He is famous far and near,
Rhyme was nothing he used always,
Yet he is known in these days.
To be or not to be, thats the question,
Shakespeare did a good impression.
Yet that line contains no rhymes,
and it has been known for times.
What you say is not very clever,
You know what, whatever!

Just because a poem doesn't rhyme, doesn't mean tis a bad poem, and just because one rhymes doesnt mean its good, Some non rhyming poems are the best I've read on this site, it depends on the skill of the writer and how much emotion they express with their words
love
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Poems that sometimes rhyme are just straight up cheesey soome of the best poems today dont even rhyme but it all depends on the person reading it and writeing it.

it can make them better but i thing its bad to force structure in a poemit takes away creativity

^ haha yep sure is, I now decree that none shall write in this topic thing again! mwuhahahahaha fear me!!!

hey is anyone on this site right now?

i dont think all poems should rhyme..most sound ok if they dont..its more about the emotions that are in it