Chemical Balance

Yes, I agree, 'soul rebel,' religion seemed to be full of pork, at least before Deuteronomy, it advanced to boloney in the dark ages. Today it has progressed to spam. It seems it has edged its way into politics and many other structures of society. Religions have always had impurities
My hero has always been the rebel whom attempts to remove the impurities without diluting or deleting the truth. I was merely trying to point out that all is not concrete in the ordered mental process this is what behavioral scientist observe in a mental disorder known as schizophrenia

The speech often reflects an underlying thought disorder. In the
early stages, there is vagueness in the patient‘s talk that makes it
difficult to grasp his meaning. Some patients have difficulty in
dealing with abstract ideas (a phenomenon called concrete thinking).
Other patients become preoccupied with vague pseudoscientific or
mystical ideas.

When the disturbance is more severe two characteristic kinds of
abnormality may occur. Disorders of the stream of thought include
pressure of thought, poverty of thought, and thought blocking.
Thought withdrawal (the conviction that one‘s thoughts have been
taken away) is sometimes classified as a disorder of the stream of
thought, but it is more usefully considered as a form of delusion

Yo Micheal...that information you posted about the effects of schizophrenia [which as any educated person knows, is a BS condition so generalised it should be abolished] puts me in mind of the thinking processes of many religious people i've encountered.

They have concrete thinking to the extreme that they cannot contemplate anything without passing it through their God filter [tm], they are vague in their explanations of their faith and it's application and everything that happens to them they attribute to God...an unseen force that controls them from afar. This is a classic Schizoprenic case...being controlled by some invisisble entity...

I've never met a real catholic, and by that i mean someone who lives by the word of the bible 100%...and so, anyone who is a catholic is splitting their personalities between the facits of their faith they want to embrace....and the aspects of it they don't want.

One could call that Schizophrenic.

Or just really sad, but I know that i am perhaps not the most impartial soul when it comes to this stuff...still though, i mean no harm to anyone.

Kevin if you if you were not being sarcastic when you recommended Chinese doctors as a remedy to any physical, mental, or spiritual illness You were vague I will say that I have never known anyone that understood the bible 100% I believe the same thing could be said about psychology, quantum physics, tai chi, or any remedy .If any remedy had a 100% cure rate a cannot imagine why it would not be accepted by anyone educated or not. It is in reality a myth that accepting an invisible entity is something an uneducated person would not do. If you will just check the facts you will find that the most well known colleges and universities are religious in origin. I know very few people that are controlled by an invisible entity, but .I have seen a lot of people being controlled by drugs
Can you tell me what your remedy is without being vague?

Micheal. I didn't say Chinese medicine had a 100%cure rate, i don't know where you got that from, maybe the voices in your head. All i said was that if Chinese medicine was held in the same esteem as God in terms of having the power to heal people...more people would be healed on all levels...as opposed to there being thousands of people asking why God didn't save them or make their loved ones better.

I don't know anyone who is really smart and well educated, who actually believes in God as an adult choice, excepting of course people who were raised religious, or people who turned to God to escape how crap their life was, but these people don't count as much because their beliefs are forced or were born from a place of impure thought.

My remedy for social Ills without being vague? Ok. Abolish organised religion and all it's effects on social policy, with particular reference to sexual and expressive rights of human beings....make adults who want to have children go through a screening process to make sure they are able to raise decent human beings.

You could start right there and make a huge difference.

You might also want to scrap trash tv, government approved drug abuse, poor dieting , media lies and most other unsavoury things our world leaders allow to continue.

Kevin I think we both could be likened to a person looking out a small window and thinking he sees the whole world, when all he sees is one small portion of it. I have seen the over zealous supposed Christians create an environment that would cause a stress level. But the secular schools have a high rate of suicide. I saw a documentary filmed in communist Russia. Where homeless children were drinking and sniffing glue. Your remedy of removing religion is not working there

um i know about a chemical imblance in your brain caused by depression. but other than that, i dont know what to say. but yea, the chemicals in your brain effect the way you feel.

It seems to work both ways ..many depressed poeple blame forces which are not chemical

I believe attitude affects natural chemical release

Chemical Dependency

Chemical dependency occurs when a person chooses to abuse prescription or illegal drugs to the point where living centers around avoiding withdrawal.
According to The St. Jude Retreat House and The Jude Thaddeus Program which do not provide services requiring certification by the New York State Office of Alcoholism and Substance Abuse Services. They claim Alcoholism and Drug Addiction are not Diseases
DISEASE
1. A pathological condition of a part, organ, or system of an organism resulting from various causes, such as infection, genetic defect, or environmental stress, and characterized by an identifiable group of signs or symptoms.
2. A condition or tendency, as of society, regarded as abnormal and harmful.
3. Obsolete. Lack of ease; trouble
Alcoholism and Drug Addiction seem to meet the second and third definitions in my book
What do you think?

I don't mean to speak out of turn...but i'm stuck in Hong Kong airport for 6 hours so i'm kinda bored...but this discussion is turning wank very quickly...one of the key things you learn as a musician is when to stop jamming a particular song.

this tune turned minor a long time ago.

. Wm. F. Buckley Jr.

Last summer WFB was asked by the New York Bar Association to make a statement to the panel of lawyers considering the drug question. He made the following statement:

"WE ARE speaking of a plague that consumes an estimated $75 billion per year of public money, exacts an estimated $70 billion a year from consumers, is responsible for nearly 50 per cent of the million Americans who are today in jail, occupies an estimated 50 per cent of the trial time of our judiciary, and takes the time of 400,000 policemen -- yet a plague for which no cure is at hand, nor in prospect.

Perhaps you, ladies and gentlemen of the Bar, will understand it if I chronicle my own itinerary on the subject of drugs and public policy. When I ran for mayor of New York, the political race was jocular, but the thought given to municipal problems was entirely serious, and in my paper on drugs and in my post-election book I advocated their continued embargo, but on unusual grounds. I had read -- and I think the evidence continues to affirm it -- that drug-taking is a gregarious activity. What this means, I said, is that an addict is in pursuit of company and therefore attempts to entice others to share with him his habit. Under the circumstances, I said, it can reasonably be held that drug-taking is a contagious disease and, accordingly, subject to the conventional restrictions employed to shield the innocent from Typhoid Mary. Some sport was made of my position by libertarians, including Professor Milton Friedman, who asked whether the police might legitimately be summoned if it were established that keeping company with me was a contagious activity. "

.....and that's the name of that tune

I received a phone call from a poet who is in prison. She is in the same facility as the woman who inspired many poems by me among other texts. Anyway she said she wanted to write an autobiography because she had lots of time. It brought back a lot of old memories, because her attitude was very similar to the, above mentioned, woman who wrote an autobiography in that same prison. Her reason seemed to be the same. She wants to use her useless years of pain and suffering to help others