happiness is possible

* inspired by ruth helks*

this thread will start and interesting war and im glad. although i realize that people are depressed for their own reasons... i still can't help but believe that at times, well they can be a bit too over dramatic. i myself am guilty of getting upset over stupid things. however i laugh at that..i laugh at myself, because i was being so nieve and i was so blinded by my stupidity that i couldn't see the blessings in my life. now i can. and everyone else should to. ok i know how much it hurts to lose someone you love...yeah breaking up sucks, but deal with it. just because you were together for a year..or more or less, is no certinty that it will last forever. i mean not even a 17 year marriage will garentee a forever thing...so why think any different of a relationship? another thing, there has been ALOT of talk on this site about hating parents...ok,ok. there are times when feelings like that occur,it's totally normal to feel that way as teen...but to mean it? look if your parent doesn't hit you, or abuse you in anyway, or doesn't lock you up in your room and refuse to feed you for a week, etc. the for god sakes shut up. do you realize how completley idiotic you sound when you say things like " my parents won't let me go somewhere..i hate them" parents are over protective at times for the better...not because their the spon of satan... but because they love you. and look if your parents hit you..or if your in any abusive relationship of any sort...get out of there fast...i don't care if you're afraid, or if you love them..i understand that, but i don't care. it's there fault for hurting you that way...or in anyway,and by no means do you deserve it. however, its your fault for staying there and letting it happen, don't be ashamed..speak up if someones hurting you...someone will listen. now with that said...if THAT'S the reason you're depressed...i can understand that better..and respect that more, but if you're just being ungreatful..and actting childish because your life isn't going the way you think it should, then you're deffentily someone who needs to get in touch with themselves...take a look around and see what you have to be greatful for. all im saying is, if you have a roof over your head, food to feed you, cloths on your back, people you KNOW love and care for you, then for the love of god quit this pointless drama and move on with your life. if you can't survive highschool...or middle school, then how the hell do you expect to survive in the real world? i know im coming of like i heartless...and im not, if you knew me you would know that. im just telling you the truth and helping you realize the reality you'll have to face, soon or later.

-dominique

"this thread will start and interesting war and im glad."

I don't get that, you want to fight over this. Look I have thought you have had good things to say in the past and thank you very much for sharing your opinion, but you have not right to force it out as fact, it is still YOUR OPINION! Honestly. You have a point that people need to be grateful for the good things in their lives, but you are not them, get over that. This forum was created for people who were having a hard time to get comfort, a shoulder to cry on. If you don't like that then get out of this forum, but do not insult people for using it for what it was created for, honestly.

Yes, many are teens who are dealing with different issues, some minor and some more serious, it is drama, this time in our lives where those things matter and are of worth to us. Okay, I get that they don't matter to you, congradulations, then DON'T read about them and don't respond, no one is forcing you to. I am sure you have been caught up in teen drama before, so what right do you have to insult others just because they haven't come to your conculsions yet. And even if you haven't been caught up in drama what right do you have to think you are so much better than the rest of us and we should all change to be like you! Honestly, take a pride pill and get over yourself. Survival of high school is a learning process and it is not weakness or folly to not make it through with perfection! Life is the same way, people have experiences that are good and bad, they feel, they learn and when they can they keep going. These people have feelings that they are learning to express and deal with. Do you have any idea how unhealth it is to not express emotions like these! So what if you think these people are being dramatic, they might realize that too, but for the time that is HOW they FEEL, respect that.

In highschool and middle school and even on to college people can learn slowly some of the ideas that you are talking about, they can't be forced on someone it won't work and is wrong. Just because you feel high and mightly about your views on life doesn't mean you have a right to force them on people. Everyone is at at different spot emotionally than you do they do things differently, come on use some of the great wisdom you seem to think you have about life and see that!

This part about what you said really got to me," and look if your parents hit you..or if your in any abusive relationship of any sort...get out of there fast...i don't care if you're afraid, or if you love them..i understand that, but i don't care."

Well that is just brillant for you, I am glad you don't care about these people lives so again, DON'T read about them, honestly that is so simple why don't you see that. Again, this is a forum to let people have an outlet and get help or support! I am glad you don't care that these people are going through a hard time, give yourself a pat on the back for not giving a D*** but some of us do care about these people who are having a hard time. You don't care, well take your own advice and get over yourself and your stuffed up opinions.

There are different kinds of abuse besides physical, or did you not know that wise one?! It is a medical fact that emotional and metal wellness is just as fragile as physcial and needs to be addressed and tended to. What if a person's parents didn't want their child so they spent all their time telling that child how horrible that were? What if their parents leave them, and never loved them, just left them somewhere because their parents didn't want to deal with a child! I have two adopted sibblings and that was my little brother's story, his mother just left him! Just left him somewhere, is that love!!! And my little sister's story. Her parents where druggies and alcoholics, they passed her around from reletive to relative all with the same problems. My little sister when to jail just beacuse her mother was there and the police didn't know what to do with her. My little sister got all kinds of toys and stuff, but she was NEVER LOVED!!! EVER! Not one of those people gave a crap about her, but they never physically abused her either! Would you go up to my sister to her face and say that her situation didn't matter! That she should be happy and shrug it off when the people who created her, hated, honestly hated her? I would dare you to try. My little sister now had emotional problems that we deal with everyday because of those people and what they did to her? How dare you say those things don't matter! They were her parents and they were supposed to LOVE HER, BUT THEY DIDN'T and neither did my little brother's parents!

My sibblings were luck in the sense that they were able to get out of those situations, but so many don't and aren't able to, how you condemn them for that. I know someone else whose parents rarely laid a hand on her, they didn't have to. All the had to do was to expect her do be perfect and make her feel like a failure because she wasn't ecactly what she wanted her to be. All her other sibblings older sibblings were smart and talented in music and academics, her skills lied in her abilities with people, but her parents didn't care. She wasn't they same, and they made her feel worthless until the day she took her life. Would you want to live everyday with the people that are supposed to love you, wishing you were someone else and were never proud of you? I watched her parents with her, she wasn't making it up, I saw it myself. And what about my friend whose parents are going to throw him out because he is gay!? Is that love?

Look, you started out with a good point, be positive in life, and look for the good things, but the minute you started insulting people, you went too far. Some people seem like they have it easy just because finacially they are set, so look deeper or don't judge, because this time you were WAY OFF!

-Tainted Mikochan

It took me forever to read both these posts and I completely agree with Tainted Mikochan. Plus the fact that she can write in little things called PARAGRAPHS also helps.
Even the little things that happen can build up eventually and gradually eat away at you, your confidence and even sometimes, your mind. so it isnt, as you put it, "pointless drama".
I need you to realize that you are NOT in the other persons head, you do NOT know what they are thinking so therefore you do NOT know if they are being overly dramatic or not.
If someone is in an abusive realtionship and they dont get out of there then it is not their fault. If you really love someone, and they say that they will not do it again then you will want to believe them because you love them no matter how many times they say it.
The next time you want to start an "interesting war" just think twice and realize you will get totally bashed for this thread.

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GO TAINTED MIKOCHAN!

what a stupid thread.

tainted mikochan,
you made reasonable points, and im glad you shared how you feel. i respect that. the point of this thread was not to offend anyone...obviously i did, for that i apologize. however, i'm still sticking by what i believe. what i posted before...i know wasnt fact, it was my opinuon and im not changing it.
when i said i don't care...what i ment was..i don't care if the person is depressed by pointless drama. if they have another reason behind their depression, by all means that's their buisness, and yes i have dealt with problems before, and not just highschool drama...ive been through a pretty damn rough time, but yet i know that it happened for a reason..and im willing to deal with that.

and no i don't think everyone else should be like me...you don't know me, you had no right to say that. i wasnt trying to come off like i knew everything and that im perfect and whatever...i merly wanted to shed some sort of light on peoples sadness and make them realize that it is possible to be happy, by just not sweating the small stuff. and when i was as you said insulting everyone...i wasn't insulting the people who had real problems...i was mocking the ones who think they have them when really they dont.

yes it takes time to get over this so called drama..i just tried to speed up the process, obviously that was a bad idea, because some can't handle the truth. i don't want people to be like me..under no means would i want that...i just want them to be happy with themselves, and i doubt that anyone who is depressed is happy about that. and i only posted in this forum..because i knew people who were depressed or sad who read it...and thats who this was aimed at...so im not leaving this forum just because some people have a problem with how i feel, i shouldnt have to do that. and if you took the time to read what i actaully wrote you would have noticed i said " any abusive relatiosnhip of ANY sort"....i know there's more then one kind.

now i know my tone of "voice" may seem a bit well annoyed...it's not, im not upset in the least. im actaully glad you took the time to write all of that. alot of people will be rooting for you..and alot of people will hate me, and think im a horrible person. and im not, i do give symapthy WHEN it's needed..and only when it's needed, but if the problem is something like highschool drama related...then i could care less because i shouldnt have to waste my time with such nonsense.

you however are pretty wise, and i am impressed at the things you have to say...again i apologize if i offened you, or anybody. i don't like to upset people. i just wanted to share an opinuon. now when i said i wanted a "war" to start..i ment it. because i wanted feed back. and i got it. in no way will this change my mind...and i dont expect it to chnage the mind of you or anybody else. im just a girl who wanted to help...but failed. however, that's fine i won't be silenced. i don't expect anyone else either. but don't you dare pass a judgment on me when you've never met me. you took everything i said way out of proportion. like i said..that thread was directed at teens who let the small stuff get to them...and only them. if its another reason like you're depressed because of a disease and it can't be helped...or anything else i understand that...and i respect your reasons. ive had expreince with depression myself....and my friends have dealt with depression...my family has dealt with depression, and not by pointless drama..but by disease. so i do understand. i know that there are different kinds of depression out there. i'm not that narrow minded. i've seen both sides.

now i know people may hate me, but i just wanted the oppertuinity to stand up for myself..just like you did. Bravo i must say..and im not being sarcastic, it takes alot for someone to vent..or express themsevles the way you did. and i know i may seem to be jumping from one-side to the other. im just trying to be civil. i do apologize to anyone i offened. i know i've repeated that alot...but i just want it to be heard. the only true reason i really posted this...is because when I was in need of advice and guidence...no one was there to point this out to me.

and maybe that advice doesn't work for everyone...but in my case it's worked for most. i wasn't trying to be rude..sound " wise"...or like i knew everything about everything. i don't ill admite that. it's just an opinuon. my opiuon. ill speak it when i want. however, next time..ill chose to use a kinder way...or at least in a more subtle way, that way there is no misunderstanding...and no one gets offened.

-dominique

Tainted was complety right.

I only had enough energy to read your post and Tainted's. And i've got to say you did start out right but just like Tainted said but i think you went to far when you started insulting.

For your information you did sound very chilish. Everyone has to face their problems on their OWN, some being tougher then others. But Problems and problems. I admit many have it so much harder (abused, raped etc) but others have it just as hard (parents not talking to you, no love whatsoever). You can't just get over it so easily. Memories stick forever.

You really didn't help others face reality. Infact if anything your post made my eyebrow raise up in question. Wondering how you think this is helpful.
Sorry if i seem rude. But everyone can face reality by themselves, and if they chose they need help, then they can ask. You can't just assume. Also reality is faced IN TIME.

Anyway i'm rambling. Bye.

P.S. This is MY OPINION. I know i don't know you, so i apologize if i have insulted you in any way. But i'm voicing my thoughts.
~Luvz~
~Chica~

dominique -

(I will try to keep this shorter) Your point that people can get too obsessed over the small things is an important one, the only difference is that something that is small to you can be huge to someone else. It is all how it is seen through someone else's eyes. If that is what you were trying to say, I respect that people can be way too dramatic sometimes, my best friend Emilee is the perfect example. (don't e mad at me Em!) So yeah. Your original post differed from that point. Maybe you were just getting caught up in the writing, I don't know, but that is why I reacted that way I did. I haven't lived too long, but I have seem people go through a lot of crap, and I couldn't let what you were saying go, becuase the way you said it was wrong and because it was a personal attack on some people whether you intended it to be or not. When you carified you intent and message it made a great deal of sense, thank you for doing that. I do not think you are a mean person, just going about what you wanted to say in the wrong way. It was nice of you to try to share a lesson that you learned in life with others, so they didn't have to learn it first hand, I respect that because that is something I try to do as well. The best of luck to you.

-Tainted Mikochan

Tainted Mikochan,

thank you, and if you're wondering or not i'm not upset with you either. and yes i did get caught up in my writting, that happens to me at times. you made some pretty good points,and i to am glad you stood up the way you did. i respect that alot. best of luck to you as well. and good luck to you in life and the things to come.

-dominique

Dominique,

You too. Sorry, if I scared you, I am told I am scary, lol. It was a nice conversation, thank you for putting up with me. Best of luck to you as well hun.

-Tainted Mikochan

"...i don't care if the person is depressed by pointless drama. if they have another reason behind their depression, by all means that's their buisness, and yes i have dealt with problems before, and not just highschool drama..."

even pointless drama is a reason. ya know, you judge people so much, just by the outside it seems. do you know how often people lie? how that some people wake up and see themselves as liars, all because every day they have to hide who they really are for w/e reason? i'm getting a little off point, but basically i'm saying that you judge people by how many friends they have, how big their house is, their clothes, etc. and that doesn't mean you know what their life is like. I mean, i know people with so many friends, amazing clothes, w/e they want they get, huge houses, everything they want, and they are miserable. but people like you get on their case when they're not all smiles and jokes and cheerfulness, so they have to lie about how they really feel. and they can't get the help they might really need b/c of that. sorry i'm rambling, and i don't know if that made any sense to anyone but me, but eh, w/e.
kathryn

WOW. The only post I read was Ismail's lol..my short attention span was kicking in, it was too long everyone haha.

Ismail's first one.lol