Disgusting

There are things in this world which are too evil. Which we cannot stop, but one thing I find utterly disgusting and laughably sad is paedophiles. These freaks, love children, yet abuse them for it. But this is not the issue I am addressing. My issue is that these paedophiles have found a new way to feed off their nauseating lust. They go to third world countries to which they are regarded as wealthy seeing as their meagre earnings is considered a pop idol’s earning in these poverty-stricken countries.

I saw the news paper today, and I found a man, jailed thank you god; for going to Africa, and grooming strike that molesting children in exchange for money.

Jail time is not enough for this freak; he has psychologically scarred these children. And what did this freak get. Jail time. I want capital punishment back for these freaks, so we can at least have a miniscule sense of peace and justice in this malevolent technology induced wasteland we call earth.

I want every girl and boy under the age of 18 to bloody hear me. Do NOT and I repeat do not give your life story over the damn internet? And be careful who you give your damn information too… I am sick and tired of you. I bet P&Q is now a haven for all these twisted children-loving freaks.

Here is an advice Kids: Make sure you know who you are talking too…

Otherwise you will be another victim to their lust….

Sorry Just had to vent….

I'm totally with you!! It's filthy and just plain wrong. You need to practice extreme caution when talking on the internet. It's no good dishing out your details because someone tells you they like the same things as you and they're the same age...

What is this world coming to? Capital punishment? Pah... that wouldn't satisy me. They shouldn't be allowed to breathe the same air we do!!!!!

I think that there should be a no tollerance policy on any degree of rape, on children or not.

And it's not only children that should be careful about giving out their information, it's anyone, especially women. A lot of women that are abducted are in their 20's.

Yeah..and while we're at it...lets just kill everybody else who is psychologically ill...yeah....if they are right..kill em, cut them up.

You guys disapoint me, for free thinkers you are all coming across as rather narrow minded people motivated by anger.

Sexual developement is a precarious thing...these child abuser's where not born as such...they learned to be like that...most likely because their own sexual development was stunted, or abused or repressed.

And that might not have been their fault....

But yeah, kill away...and when you slip from societies norms..i'll be sure to remind you what punishments await without forgiveness.

Didn't you do jail time Bob? How comes it you are suddenly so removed from these people you feel comfortable sentencing them?

Kevin: You have said many stupid things. But this by far is the stupidest.

Yes, you’re right they are not born with it, and their sexual puberty was somehow stunted or abused. But let me tell you something that does not excuse them to do that to children, I was one of those children caught by those freaks, thus my anger at them. They may have the feeling inside, but like all this psychologically bad, they have to see someone about it to help them deal with this sickness they have inside.

What they are doing is called “easy rape”, where all they have to do is just swing a chocolate bar or candy to get their way with them.

Again Kevin, you try and try to put yourself in another person shoes. But don’t defend someone who has done the ultimate taboo.

Ismail,

the day you actually understand something i've said in context is the day i become stupid, because clearly your understanding of the broader causes and reasons for this issue anbd many others is very limited.

You are not so far removed from a child abuser as you might think...in the same way that it is only your present set of life situations that enable you as a person to not be a criminal, say in stealing something you need. So too can it be said, and even psychologically proven, that it is only the conditioning experienced by child abusers as they grow up that makes them what they become and thusly makes us different.

Because that is true, and you admit that no one is born a child abuser, how can we openly blame anyone for what they have been conditioned to be when we know they are nothing but products?

It's a conveniant social tool to distance ourselves from those who do not conform to what we find acceptable...we shun them...put them in prison...call them mentally ill...but any one of you could be a murderer if the right set of circumstances presented itself....and even more radically, had any one of you been raised in a certain way...you could be a child molester.

So have a little think about that, let he who is withot sin cast the first stone and all that.

PS, just so you know, because clearly i have to explain everything to you...i hate child abuse, rape...anything like that...i loathe it...but even so...there are always reasons for it that in some cases make it understandble, blameless? NO of course not, but we make up society...we allow things to exist we know damage it. Who is to blame then?

Have you heard of psychology? Or sociology?

“The day you actually understand something I’ve said in context is the day I become stupid, because clearly your understanding of the broader causes and reasons for this issue and many others is very limited.”

Well excuse me for saying the observational truth. I am sorry that I not understand, or I side with something I do not believe in. I am sorry that I don’t understand you’re liberal yet hate what you stand for views. But then that is just me. I don’t parade saying I hate something yet defend it. I am true to who I am. And what I find evil is evil, not different. But then all that is vice to you is merely society’s underdog. Or did I get it wrong this time.

I do know that what paedophiles do to children, may in fact (and this is to some cases) make them similar to their abusers. But then that is just a theory.

You are making their actions acceptable, because it is not nature’s fault but nurture. If you think that, you might as well say that murderers kill because they were conditioned too. Oops I forgot, you already think that.

There is such a thing called sense of right and wrong and morality. And although that might differ in many, certain things are constant. Like not screwing around with a child.

Children are naïve and dumb, if you tell them that the sun is the moon, they will more certainly believe it. So targeting such defenceless creatures is something everyone must do. Paedophiles say that they love them. And are expressing their love for them, through sex. But that mentality needs to be fixed at once, or at least re-conditioned.

They can go and deal with the sickness by going to a trained psychologist. But then that is their choice. And with choices come boons and consequences. There are warnings for these paedophiles. But when they commit again and again, tell me what you suggest.

I am sorry Kevin, but there is enough evil in this world, and f**king up a child’s psyche is one of the most evil things.

These are not societies misunderstood, these are society’s shame.

Again Kevin, don’t stand for things you don’t believe in.

With most sex offenders rehabilitation happens shorty after rigormortis. Death is the only way to ensure that they do not reoffend. I do not know if it meets the definition of justice for many, but as a parent, and someone who spent years working in the criminal justice field, it ensures a safe society for victims who cannot defend themselves, children.

While I always did my duty in stopping assaults against child molesters in prison, I didn't always move as fast as I did when it was a fight or stabbing between two convicts. Will I be judged for that, yes. Will I have to live with the consequences, yes. Like Bob, I will accept my fate, for they deserved far worse in my mind. Is it right? No. But, it is what it is, it is who I am and I am okay with it.

First off, I don't think they should be given capital punishment, it's going too easy on them. They should have life in prison, be stuck there 'till the day they die.

Second: Kevin, just because someone is abused, or stunted, or whatever, no matter how they are raised they can overcome it. If you are raised in a family that excepts things that are wrong, you will learn from others that those things are wrong. Then, you can teach yourself how to do what is right. Many people who are abused, or sexually mistreated, or anything else do follow in the footsteps of their abusers, but that's taking the easy way out. It's not impossible for them to change, to vow never to inflict the pain they felt on others. I've grown up being verbally, mentally, and emotionally abused by my step-father, but I will never do those things to my children. I don't do them to others now, I don't explode in anger at anyone who wrongs me. I have taught myself how to deal with anger in other ways and to smooth problems out with other people instead of screaming at them and telling them how stupid and worthless they are. Just becuase you are raised one way doesn't mean you can't change. Ismail, I have to agree with you on this one, for the most part. ciao~lyn

Wow, I cannot believe this thread.

Kevin,
I have never told those on here, ut I too am a surviver of child melestation. My father's best friend started molesting my sister, brother, me, and his daughter when I was 11. My siblings are 5+ years younger than me.

I know what the results are from suffering the abouse that these sicko's dish out. I live with it daily and it flast digust me.

I personally do not think they should be in prison, nor do I think they should be killed. Sorry, but that punishment is way to easy.

If it was up to me then every bastard who committed such crimes would
1) be casterized (sp?)
2) have their hands cut off
3) Be marked for life as a child abuser / molester
4) Be placed in the public to face the loved ones of the victem
5) Let the victems family punish the abuser how they see fit

But this is only my mere opinoin (sp)? and it comes from my past. Just because you were abused DOES NOT make it ok to be an abuser.
I would never sexually abuse my children or any child for that matter. The truth be told I rarely even spank my children because of the crap we have been through.

I agree that the people who do these things are VERY sick. I would agree with putting them in a mental hospital, but only if they are to stay the rest of their lives there. These people don't "get better". I normally wouldn't agree with killing anyone either...but, as a survivor myself, if someone ever molested one of my children..I am sorry to say it wouldn't bother me one bit to kill them myself. (I'd have to deal with God later) The child has to deal with it for life..it doesn't go away. I am 40 years old , the last time this happened to me I was 16...I still have nightmares and flash backs...it's a horrible thing to put a child through.
I like Sherry's ideas..castrate them, cut off their hands and maybe tattoo "child molester" on their face or somewhere where they can't hide it. Also, if you let the family deal with them...they would be killed for sure.

Ismail,

you aren't making sense to me, the way you write doesn't make sense, and so rather than trying to explain myself to you and make sense of what you are saying, i'm just no going to bother and I'll save my energy for people who are rational and actually understand my points. No offence, this has happened before and it's probably a commincation style clash between you and I.

Back to point. Whenever a discussion of this type crops up people always get all fired up, understandably of course, but almost no one seems to wonder why these people do the things they do. And yet shouldn't that be the most important question? Why?

War is horrible, a terror...and it is only justifiable or understandable to most rational people if they can comprehend the reasons why. We all understand why Britain went to war with Germany twice, and that made it ok to kill thousands of people. Child abuse is perhaps the most heated topic we can discuss in here....and I knew I'd draw heat trying to ask these kinds of questions with this thinking in mind.

Someone has to or things will never change, only an idiot would think otherwise. If all we do is lock up child abusers...or shame them or cut them up...the problems which created them will never be addressed and you will always have to deal with it.

Have a little think about that before any of you tell me I am stupid.

I find it funny how many declare that they are intellectuals and that what they are saying is by some means astute. But fact is it isn’t. I find it funny how one can say that society is at fault here. But it is the individual themselves who make the deeds. I think people in here need to get off their asses and stop blaming society. They should blame themselves.

So let’s discuss the issue here:

Not all paedophiles are child molesters. A child molester is an individual who sexually molests children. A paedophile might have a sexual preference for children and fantasize about having sex with them, but if he does not act on that preference or those fantasies, he is not a child molester. There are some paedophiles who act on their fantasies on legal ways. By either talking to the children, or watching them afar and later masturbating. Some may even have sex with mannequins or dolls that look like children. Or even date adults that behave or even look like children.

But do I think it is wrong? Yes.

On researching this subject, I found that there are two types of child molester:

Situational child molester: A regressed individual with low self esteem and poor coping skills may turn children into a sexual substitute for a preferred peer sex partner. His principal method is to coerce the child by using either adult pornography or even homemade pornography. For this offender the sexual victimization of children is simply a part of a general pattern of abuse in his life. He is a user and abuser of people. His principal criteria are vulnerability and opportunity. His victim can be ranged from strangers to his own children. He is usually a social misfit with no friends his age to call his own. Or an eccentric loner who still lives with his parents (Sad). Molesting children to this type of molester is either a form of curiosity or insecurity. His victims often develop the same traits as his abuser. Which is quite sad…?

Preferential child molester: As the name, his preference is usually children or naïve adolescent youths. Some may not prefer children, but in fact molest them so. They might do so to in order to carry out their bizarre fantasies and preferences on young, less threatening, less judgemental and highly venerable victims. Their sexual acts are more or less deviant, something that they are embarrassed or ashamed to ask an adult partner about. His methods is seducing or grooming children. This is basically giving them attention, showering them with gifts or affection. He is sadistic by nature, and can only be aroused by the suffering of his victims.

These two typologies can help criminal law enforcement to help and maybe even treat them.

Some say that paedophiles can be treated, and others claim that they cannot. Some say there is a connection between missing children and child pornography, and others say there is not. Some people say that communities should be notified when sex offenders move into a neighbourhood; others say it is an unproductive violation of privacy. This is not simply a matter of a difference of opinion.

Now from what I can see these people are not outside nor were they outcaste in society’s various norms. These people feed and act out on their fantasies which is clearly wrong by many definitions. And the consequence for destroying the mind, sanity, sexuality and virginity of today’s youth is: Life in prison and death.

Do you understand now Kevin?

I guess not! Shame.
Sayonara…

Ismail, you are contradicting yourself.

First you start out calling them freaks, then call me stupid for saying they aren't...and then you, all in the space of one post, provide evidence that supports understanding they need help whilst still maintaining i was wrong and need to comprehend you.

Are you being serious? Because this looks like a joke to me.

I understood everything you cut and pasted...as for your logic...it eludes me as always.

hmmm....I think it's disgusting.

And this might be totally of topic now, as I did not sit and read the whole argument.

Kevin, I think it's silly that you brought up Bob's past though.

People can change what they think. Hahaha

Wingless, I won't tell you what to write if you don't tell me ok.

I think it's "silly" to say something is disgusting without explaining why you think that, in a discussion post particularly. Silly indeed.

Regardless, Bob is a big lad and he isn't shy about who he was in the past...i wouldn't have mentioned it if her hadn't already done so several times in these forums.

And i don't know if you noticed, but it was relevant to the discussion..and i wasn't attacking his past.

Ahh ok. Just remember, I didn't read it all.

Kevin: It is not cut and paste. I don't do that.

And if you checked properly, I was using your own logic, and frankly. Whatever I said and still stated that they are and will always be at fault. They acted on their intentions and the penalty is and will always be wrong.

Now be a dear, and read my posts nicely, and maybe, you will see the common sense in common morality.

I agree Ismail, I hate them, just wrong. And Bob, I heard that one about Opra, very sad.

-*-Cherri-*-

Lol....

I find it funny comparing gay people with pedophiles. As you can see Talandor, homosexuality is the norm, in every society. But religion is the only factor that demonize it.

And as far as I knew, people date others who have an adult mentality.

I dislike pedophiles, because they destroy and traumatize a child's mentality. This will make them see love as nothing more of sexual manipulation.

Poor souls.

Ismail, i've never said that child molester's are blameless, all i said was that there are reasons, psychological and sociological in nature which account for the "why" of what they do. You seem to not understand the importance of this...you just keep saying it's wrong and they should be punished.

Great arguement point..i mean really...how long did it take you to come up with that enlightened understanding?

I agree with John locke in that we are all blank tablets to be written on by others as we grow up...and eventually when we learn what such things mean..we can write ourselves...how ever...if we have negative things written on us by society and our parents [for example] it can become almost impossible to change the course of ourselves...for good or bad.

Now if we were talking about something more trivial and i brought up this point...perhaps you and others like you would be inclined to agree we are strongly influenced...sometimes to an almost mind controlling degree by experiences of the past...but because of the subject matter logic goes out the window and everyone gets all angry and defensive.

And don't you for one second think this issue isn't personal to me....it is and still i try to see all the sides.

Kevin: Everything in this world has a reason behind its action. Every evil thing a person does, can be dissected and attempted, to find the reason behind it.

It is human nature to do so. Curiosity is the only key in finding the reasons behind the most vice of acts.

The reason paedophilia is outlawed and even brings out the most heartless thoughts and nature of a person is because, these people target the weakest of the bunch. They prey on defenceless, easily manipulated beings in our society. And that is kids.

As they say “Children are our future” and how nice it is that people are fucking up the future as it is and creating more freaks that come by.

They deserve a brutal punishment for their actions. As they say “The punishment fits the crime” and what better punishment is there than death and rotting in jail.

So again Kevin, please try and see yourself as a child, taken and raped of your innocence, all because a man has a fetish for your kind.

I'll say this one more time.

If you agree that everything has a cause, especially with human behaviour...then how can you place all the blame on paedophilles when clearly there are powerful outside factors influencing their actions?

Are you so removed from your fellow beings? So detached that you feel comfortable dealing out punishments.

Kevin: Because there has to be consequence for every action. Their intent and their actions were the same, but both of them, would have saved them a whole lot of difference. If they were intending to abuse children, yet did not, they would not be found out and they would not be found out, and they would not suffer the people’s hate.

They foolishly went for their desires, and the end result is and will always be life in jail or death.

Outside factors can manipulate but at the end of it all, it is their choice to follow their desires or just stay put like good little freaks.

Tal: Homosexuality is the norm to people who have an open mind. There is still anger and hate and prejudice against homosexuals, just like there is prejudice against people of color. Maybe when there are mutants, like in the X-men, people will start hating them and divert all their prejudice on them.

Who knows?

Ismail.

You are an idiot, an illogical idiot. I love debating with you because of this. Keep it up.

Thank you Kevin.

I am an idiot. But then since you like saying over and over again that we are similar, I guess we both are.

Oh and too me, you will always be a wannabe intellectual, who will always be society's ugly mistakes. Who cannot even grasp what is said in the forums.And I think your perceptions are very simplistic.
Lol.

And I like you for that.

FYI: Next time you side with something, make sure you at least believe in it first.

Back to the topic:

What I found funny is that the psycology and sociology of the people that despise paedophiles is fasinating too.

A primal animalistic protection of their young, is what makes almost everybody desire a child molester's blood.

There you go proving my point Ismail.

Classic.

Well thank you Kevin.

And there you go proving mine.

But it is quite obvious seeing how someone call can another an idiot out of such a senstive subject.

But seeing as it someone like you.

I can see it.

Quite Funny.

I think homosexuality is fast becoming a norm, even in a sociological statistical way.

But for common sense...if someone i've just met tells me they are gay..it is instantly accepted as normal.

isn't that a norm?