Can Christianity And Homosexuality Coincide?

Just an interesting topic that I thought I'd bring up. I'm excited to see some debate about this!!! By the way, if my question was vague, heres a way to re-phrase it:

Can you be homosexual, and still be Christian?

^following all of Christianities guidelines...

Well said..........I love the way you expanded on your answer.......well said indeed.

Sluvious, if that was true...then there would be no such thing as Christianity, because if you are too good for this world, then there's only one way out...suicide, and that's just not Christian...

Also, if you read the "Christian" bible, you would see that it preaches one thing more than anything else..."to make the best of things," and to relieve yourself of the troubles of this world through suicide is not at all Christian.

Sorry...way off topic.

Also, I'd like to raise another question... Where does the idea of being gay come from, because to me it seems obvious that a man should be with a woman, at least biologically.

Its a big world out there with lots of different people, with lots of different beliefs...i think we should just let live as people will.

I think Sean raises a good point as to where homosexuality does come from. Is it a brain defect (no offence intended), is it genetical? Or is it growing up in a certain manner.

If we are to take the bible as gospel, then our purpose is to reproduce. Therefore, homosexuality isn't part of God's way. Yet, Christianity is about forgiving and acceptance. Can you be forgiven for being gay? Do you need to be forgiven?

Let's say homosexuality is something to do with faulty genes, to put it frankly. Or some type of mental disorder. In this respect, I think homosexuality can coincide with Christianity. A person with Borderline personality disorder can be a Christian, right? Therefore, so can a homosexual.

But of course, it's not natural, so to put it. Borderline may be a disease, in it's own way, but that can be cured. Can homosexuality? If we are to say no, then can homosexuality be a disease in it's own right? If no, then can a Christian accept this?

So we'll say that homosexuality is not a disease, but a way of life, that was adopted whilst growing up. Maybe no father, or the mother was violent, enough to be put of women. Or maybe as a child, a man preferred playing with makeup and dolls, which gave him no male structure in his younger years.

This makes homosexuality circumstantial, can we agree? Is that a reason to be accepted as gay or not?

It could be a choice, but I don't believe homosexuality is a choice. I find it hard to believe that someone can just choose to be attracted to the same gender.
If it isn't a choice, than it should theoretically be accepted by all, Christians included.
If it is a choice, then should Christianity and homosexuality coincide? It's it a "path of evil" or does it truely matter?

Of course, that doesn't really answer the question, but my theories are there.

And just incase you were wondering, I am agnostic, and have no strong view for or against homosexuality.

I believe you can be homosexual & still be a christian.
I believe homosexuality is a sin, however, can you show me a christian that doesn't sin? If you find a christian who says they never sin, they are lying to you...lol That is why we have repentence , forgivness & grace. For instance..I am a christian & I smoke cigarettes..I believe this is a sin because it harms my body, but does that make me less of a christian because I still smoke? I don't believe so. I have an awesome relationship with Christ..smoking or not. I believe Jesus wants you to "come as you are" & he'll help clean you up. Lord knows I have changed drastically :) but I still smoke, which to me is no less or greater a sin than homosexuality.

ok, so humans are created to reproduce. survival tactics etc. whatever. homosexuality isnt new its just more public. I think its more of a pleasure thing. If people dont feel pleasure when they are with the opposite sex then they do so with the same sex or both or neither. its all about pleasure.

k, now im not christian. and i dont have anything against christians either. but if god created everyone and everyone is equal, what difference does it make if someone is gay or not. as long as there are enough straight people to keep the human race at the top of things what difference does it really make.

i think its just what has been traditional. and people fear change in this asthey do with everything else.

i think if youre gay, then youre gay if youre straight youre straight, what difference does it really make.

for the matter of being christain and being gay. homosexual people are still people, they probably believe in god and are moral and stuff so yeah they are christian

side note here, that what i believe is chrisitainity so im saying they can be christian. all religions ...nevermind that a whole other theory/rant.

I havent read the above statements dont have to much time

But the answer is no...With other religions which I'm not to sure , may allow that but in the bible it forbids homosexuality...GOd distinctivley mad man for woman and woman for man...at least thats what my bible says...it is an interesting topic to discuss I think!

I'm not a Christian but ...

In defense of the bible..

If one believe that the bible was written by men. Then one can't call oneself a Christian.
The bible was written by men 'inspired' by God.
These were no ordinary men, they were Prophets.
Vessels/messengers or whatever.

many believe that the bible is the Word of God.

Hey guys, I'm sorry if I gave off the impression that I "hate" gays... I only opened this thread to stir up some discussion. I didn't mean to offend anybody... If people are being offended, maybe this thread should be closed.

Sunny and Sluvious, I'm sorry if I offended you guys...

This is an interesting topic.

I think homosexuality, despite what they teach in my church, is not a sin. True, the Old Testament says it is wrong, but the preachings of Jesus tell us to accept people for who they are. So, since people can't really control which gender they fall in love with, I think Christians should just accept how people love.

And also, do you all notice how many people rely on the word "gay" to describe basically everything? It's so irritating!

im sorry to be obnoxious but the bible did not appear miraculously. someone wrote it down, so it was subjected to embellishments. not to mention the church did decide what was legit and what was not. again in the hands of man. and man is corrupt. this isnt just in christianity, its in all religion. everything has passed through the hands of men and it has been embellished.

i think that people who are hardcore against homosexuals need to reevaluate themselves.

And also, do you all notice how many people rely on the word "gay" to describe basically everything? It's so irritating!
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I know, that is so gay when they do that! :p

how about bringing the da vinci code into this, eh? it says that the bible was changed...what we are reading is not the whole truth...the real bible is hidden somewhere...and before you bite me like a pack of dogs, let me clarify that i know nothing above this, i am only mentioning what the books says...

"I am spiritual.....however I would rather eat dirt, then fall prey to orgainzed religion....."

I too would rather eat dirt than get involved with organized religion.

and I believe that being homosexual is an important part of ones personality, and we all know that personalities aren`t decided by genes alone, nor by one single occurance during childhood.

and I believe (some) Christians are hypocrites for not accepting homosexuality.

^that probably pisses off a few in here

The bible was never changed, and the real bible is the one we all know something of. However, the bible is a work of man, not of some god..well actually the work of many men that never even met...

The bible became how we know it today when some powerful men chose what were to be included in it and what should be let out some centuries later.

Do you guys know that animals have same sex sex? Yeah all the time...monkeys, dogs, lizards...all kinds of beasts.

Now, God made the animals right, they are innocent because they are not conscious as we are...so does that mean by the lessons of nature being Gods plan and will, that God is all for gay activity? If he wasn't then animals wouldn't rutt each other? Maybe God was gay, and that is why he hung around with twelve male outsiders and never had any kids, despite what Dan Brown says...yeah I think God was a gaybo ; )

Also, the bible has been changed, altered and publically re-intepreted so many times to pander to social convention over the years it's a joke any church even issues rules anymore, especially concerning anyting sexual...

"Oh...I think what God meant to say was..."

I mean strictly speaking, what the crap does the church or anyone in it know about sex and sexuality?...they are the most unqualified people in the world to lay down sexual doctrine...it should be prostitutes and lap dancers educating us about sex....not celibate priests and their "choir boys".

You guys just wait, in 40 years the Pope will ride out in his little pope mobile and say something like..

"Eh, we've been looking at the bible..again..and here look, we have some quotes taken out of context that say man should love his fellow man....and...well...there's nothing there about women...so....PUT ON THE WHAM AND LETS GO BABY!"

Thats how it's going to happen.

I have one quick question for sluvy... It's a little off topic, but I'm a little confused on one thing. If there was no such thing as organized religion, where would believers go to worship? I mean, I realize that we can pray at home, but I've seen you bash prayer before too. If there is no place for prayer and worship, then what is religion to you?

There are many ways of being spiritual... I myself do not enjoy going to church, but I find if I don't go to church I only pray when it is REALLY needed, which I feel is wrong. I just find it hard to keep up with my spirituality, without the help of church. It might just be my lack of maturity... I feel if you are going to have a relationship with God it has to be give and take, if not don't have a relationship with him/her. My way of giving back to God is basking in his/her glory every week for an hour at church. I don't feel there is any other way... Some people say they just talk to God, but for me it's difficult to talk to him on the same level as a "friend," he is to righteous for that kind of conversation. Sluvy, I would definitely appreciate hearing what you think about what I'm saying. You seem much wiser than me, and if you can help me find an alternate route in going to church it would be much appreciated. : )

Alright, I am Catholic, and yes homosexuals are frowned upon in our church, but in no way does that mean I hate homosexuals. Although, they aren't accepted in our church, we are taught to respect them as equals, along with people of different races, religions, and cultures. Just because they do not abide by the rules of our church, doesn't mean they are not equal to us. Sluvy, you have a way of twisting people's words to make them sound like they are conveying a message that they are not conveying. Also, Sluvious and Sunny, I like your works, but I do not like how you tag team people in the forums. Just because people have different viewpoints than you guys, doesn't mean you should make them feel unwelcome in the forums, let alone the site. Aside from that, you are great people and poets.

honestly thats what i dont believe in. go to church doesnt prove anything. i go to a temple every sunday and the only reason i put up with it is because i see some of my friends there. im an active member of the sunday school because it relates god to modern ideas and i can shape my beliefs. but sitting and praying. well i believe its stupid. when you are forced to do it, its not worth it. and if god is there all the time omnipresent and what, everyone should be able to pray whenever. i get yellled at for puting a sacred scripture on the ground. but why it didnt fall from heaven.

im not insulting you or anything like that. i dont mean to be offensive. to each his own. this is just my belief.

I would love to be able to keep focused religiously without church. It's almost like a reminder for me...

Let's forget about everything except my last post, which was without a doubt, twice as awesome as anything which has gone after.

And not one of you idiots adressed the outstanding, amusing and highly evolved points therein.

Now can I get an Amen on that?

Sunny, humour is oftentimes difficult to convey online, but if you can't see the obvious sarcasm and simple playful nature of my last post, then some of it's points stand true.

Seriously now, no Joke!

Ps, high fiving is gay.

I know you got the joke Bob, you got it before i wrote it.

Sunny, so you think that the gay habits of animals, being included in the masterplan of god in an innocent unchoosing way, has no import on homosexuality and the church...when in fact the original question was can they ever co-exist, or can a person in one camp [excuse the pun] be fully part of the other.

And so I put forward that given the laws of nature, and Gods creation of everything in it, homosexuality could be argued to be part of Gods plan by the examples of the behaviours of animals that are free from sin....and you don't think that is relevant? At all?

And then neither are my points about the alterations to the bible having social impotance to the stand the church has taken on gay people over the years?

Again, not important to you.

Not a lot of intelligence in your design is there : )

I'm wasted on you guys..really, i'm off to shoot it with the Jews!

yes yes kevin youre very funny.

(thats not entirely sarcastic)

Pah, your attempts to placate me are for nought...i'm forever writing really insightful posts in what appear to be serious religious debates...only to have some jeeeurk [brooklyn accent] come in and start ranting on about who one time when they were thirteen they saw a strange configeration of lumps on a tea cake that looked like Jesus..and so God must be real.

You can't argue with that kind of thought process using logic and reason...it's like trying to stem the flow of a waterfall using a spoon.

From the question alone, it seems like it is "almost" and I use the term lightly, rhethorical.

From what I read in the newspaper, the churches are allowing, (and this is a vague recollection on my part) gay priests into the church.

So the answer to your question would be: Yes!

there is no question that you can be a believer and also be homosexual but this is an abomination to God. it doesnt matter who allows it. Christians should follow the Bible (God's Word)

Lev. 18:22 says "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

Lev. 20:13 says it is "a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them."

Rom 1:24 says that it is impure
" 1:26-27 says it is "a degrading passion" because it "changes the natural function for that which is unnatural." it is an "undecent act" and they will "receive in their own persons the penalty of their error."

1 Cor 6:9-11 says "do you not know that the unrighteous [homosexuals/impure] shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homoseuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

So please do not think that you can be a Christian and homosexual. I am not trying to offend others, but I am speaking God's Word and what He says.

so to your question, no christianity and homosexuality cannot coincide because it is an action that is an impurity; a sin.

pish posh. thats as far as im going to go to express my disgust

Andrea...I disagree totally with what you said in your post. I don't disagree with the scripture you posted...only that you didn't post enough of it...the best part...you can be forgiven...
Have you forgotten where you were before you got saved?? I haven't... We all have things in our lives that you could find a scripture in the Bible that would tell you that you can't make it to heaven...
But (Thank God) our God is VERY forgiving...It seems to me you are leaving that part out

Just my opinion :)

1 Corinthians 6:11

And such some of you were [once]. But you were washed clean (purified by a complete atonement for sin and made free from the guilt of sin), and you were consecrated (set apart, hallowed), and you were justified [pronounced righteous, by trusting] in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the [Holy] Spirit of our God.

Sluv...don't start with me cause you'd probably run out of stones...lol

Sluv...you haven't been keeping up with my poetry..lol..Unfortunately, I no longer have a hubby :(

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Undead- I FULLY understand the whole God-forgiving-system.
The question wasn't can a person be a homosexual and go to heaven...the question was can a person be a homosexual and a christian.
My answer is, yes, I seriously don't think your sexual preference is going to stop you from having a personal relationship with God...it may hinder it somewhat,(as any sin in your life will) but I do believe a homosexual can love God just as I can.
As far as a homosexual never going to heaven..you are wrong! A lot of us need the Holy Spirit to "open our eyes" to our sin.
I think a lot of people are going to be quite surprised at just who makes it to heaven and who doesn't.
You know when Jesus walked the earth, he ate with the sinners...OH MY!! Can you believe that?

LMAO @ Sluv!
Believe me, what I do in this nightgown could hardly be considered sin..lol

Bob- You're a nut!

Don't worry Bob..they won't bother you.
You're waaaaaay too old for their liking...lmao

LOL..I doubt that anyone would sin if they saw this nightgown...the kids call it my granny gown.
But man is it comfortable
:P