Moderator/Member Discussion Part 2

A continuation of the prior thread. Here is the original post:

Hello Fellow members of P and Q......

This thread is being made to express your views and thoughts upon rules and problems that any of you are having, now keep in mind this is a healthy discussion, and all inappropriate posts (cussing, and name calling, or any other kind of disrespect) will be deleted, however all healthy posts will be left.....This will not be locked, until it gets too long....then we can lock it and make another....This way, we can all express our feelings....Now lets group hug and discuss.....

and here is a link to the previous thread:

http://www.poems-and-quotes.com/discussion/topic.html?topic_id=51578

hah first response! I hate starting on new threads, i tend to forget everything that was said. *goes back to bookmark our incredible discussions*

last thing said was by you:

If the website Administrator could appoint a couple neutral people, like Sean, to kind of watch the chat rooms to look for moderation abuse, that would be a quick solution to our problem- it will provide proof on who is right and who is wrong in this thread... but of course the proof can alter over time. Ex: stick Sean in there for a day, and you'll get nothing.

it's good to bookmark though, sometimes you can get people in a bind for changing their story xD.

Thanks though... and you should do it! Be our probe.

my answer:

I doubt my neutrality, as all people should.

I was around when chat moderation was first suggested, and opted to not have that power; I dislike chat rooms. Tried the P&Q one for basically the first time in a year and a half just last night. I thought ken did a good job moderating then. I don't know if I'd honestly like to be in the chat room too often though.

Which is why I'd like to have some way for the chat to log the conversations itself. If that could happen, then hard evidence of discussions would exist, making it easier to prove or disprove complaints against other members and against moderators.

Alright Ken

You're not the only one I'm concerned about though.
It's cool if you need to go, thanks for doing me a favor and all by the way.

There's a couple more mods that POSSIBLY need to be replaced though, I think there's one that's 14 and a female... about 1/20 girls grow up to be more logical than emotional, so by most chances she's emotional but who knows. She was just a tad bit outrageous the last time I spoke to her, but no names are needed to be stated right now.

nice picture, and i was talking to ken before... I should have quoted him.

"if the chat room wasn't flooded with immature teens then no one would have a problem. Unfortunately you cant make someone mature therefore there will always be loads of drama hence my profile image I made."

This site is filled with teens. They're going to have to be dealt with.

I'm a teen. I don't know if I need to be dealt with... but heck, who knows? The point is that we need to make sure that when people are dealt with, it is in a fair manner.

People have been saying stuff about so and so being unfair, but I still haven't SEEN evidence of it. I've just heard horror stories. I'm not inclined to believe things that I don't have some sort of evidence for -- faith isn't something I'm going to base my judgements on.

Hopefully as this thread progresses, more complaints will surface and will be answered, hopefully reasonably.

lol horror stories, nicely put.

And you're not a teen! You're 18! You're a man!!!

If I weren't banned I'd gladly put myself in a chat and screen shot as much proof as you may want since I've become so anxious to do so.

Something about the 'teen' part of eighteen would convince me otherwise. I will say that I feel more mentally capable of dealing with crazy people than I did a few years back.

Knowing how old you are is very important, though. I wouldn't presume to have the sort of emotional capacity that some of our older moderators have, nor would I think that I have the experience they do concerning life. As a moderator, person, and poet I am not complete and I am not perfect. However, I will do my best.

"^ yeah, but how can you give evidence if you post/thread has been deleted?

Taylor``"

try emailing dainz or janis, I'm not sure if deleted threads disappear right away or not. I know that deleted poems stay around for a while. If deleted threads disappear instantaneously, then perhaps that is something to discuss with Janis/Dainz about changing.

The chat room has actually been shut down before, which was an action I supported completely.

Enough people complained though, and Janis brought it back =/

like I said, I was happy when they shut down the chat.

And I'd definitely have it so that people are linked to their account, and that their account has to have some poetry.

Well, I have a question I guess, and this seems like the new place to ask it:

This is a message from webmaster of "Poems & Quotes".

You have made a post on our discussion board we consider

inappropirate.

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Your comment :

"Although I still don't know what happened to the RIP threads, or why they were deleted."

Maybe a mod will notify you that they were the ones who deleted it. I don't have any idea who did or why, I don't really recall reading that thread.

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We have removed this message. If you continue violation of

our community rules, your account will be permanently suspended.

Please, re-read our submission terms and guidelines to avoid

violations in future:

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Regards,

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Janis Krumins, Developer

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I'm not sure what rule I broke. Could the mod concerned please email me why the post was deleted with a penalty?

meh, I don't suppose it bothers me... so long as I didn't do anything wrong.

lol, it's a mystery.

however, I don't think it'll do much to dwell on it.

are there other complaints/suggestions/conversations out there to be had between moderators and members?

Some mods are as much of an idiot as some of those teens you were talking about Ken.

Hence Sean's email... who would do such a thing?

I think you should figure out which mod did it, just as proof that at least one of them is completely wild.

I know this moderator who is completely full of it, he's extremely aggressive, impatient and hyprocritical.
I don't like him very much, but who really does?

No names are needed to be stated right now, so I'll just leave this moderator as anonomous and ignore any other crap he gives me as he had ignored my reasoning.

End of discussion... Until I decide to 'cry' a little more about it later on.

I'm out

-Eleven

Alright I'm back, gotta go to a graduation party in 20 minutes though.

Ken, guilt isn't a word you know very well. You see- judgement is needed to know what guilt is, and I think you lack judgement. By calling me guilty, who are you to judge, when you can't really listen correctly in a current situation? You are unfit for the job of being moderator in my most honest opinion.

And yet again-

End of discussion.

"Since the purpose of the chat room would be to discuss poems, why does Eleven come in?"

The purpose of the chatroom actually isn't to discuss poems, and never has been, which is probably one of the reasons that I dislike it so much.

It does seem to be true that the ones who are complaining about actions in the chatroom are those who were banned or kicked.

Are there members out there who feel like complaining, discussing, or collaborating concerning the chatroom that has not been kicked or banned?

Btw, JTC, I deleted your grammatical correction and edited for post for you.

*edit*

btw, mystery concerning my penalty point and deletion was solved, it was a mistake!

k back to the topic at hand.

"Nope: yes"

Heh, that struck me as sort of funny.

From what I've seen, you could add me to that list of 'yes's too.

Fear can make people say all kinds of things...: )

Really though, Ken you shouldn't be doing this as a means to validate yourself, who is going to tell you that you aren't when they know you are in control?

I think the chat room should be taken down as I have not witnessed it adding anything of particular value to the community. Just 5 minutes ago everyone in the chat agreed they have never seen a discussion of poetry in there. [ok one guys said he had a long time ago]

I'm all for interacting and sharing, but right now that place is causing more problems than it appears to me to be worth.

Having said that, if it were up to me [and one day pinky...one day it will be....oh yes....mwa..]i'd chuck the ratings system out the window, plus the awards system plus a few of the forums.

Trim back, let this place grow healthy again. What say you all?

lol. I'm not sure which of the forums you'd want to get rid of, but I wouldn't mind getting rid of the rating system and the chatroom. As for the awards, I personally don't care for them, but some people use them as a means to see who is worth reading. I think the awards are also used to determine who can start a club... I can't remember though.

I have a question concerning the speaking of foreign languages in the forums:

Is it really not allowed? I'm just wondering. There might have been a message from Janis at some point when I wasn't around, or maybe the mods made a decision on it. In any case, I'm wondering what the reason for it is?

I suppose that if two people were having a full on conversation in a different language, that might be of some concern, especially if the moderators can't understand enough to tell if the conversation is appropriate

but what about short phrases and such? e.g. Carpe Diem, or Tempus Fugit, or Mi Amor, or C'est la Vie? They're all in foriegn languages, but a pretty good amount of people have some idea of what they mean. Are they harmless? Is this one of those things that sort of requires the judgement of the individual case?

What is the other site? I could use some quality feedback?

What is the purpose of posting with 2 different accounts. Aren't JTC and Ken the same person?

That is strange. A little funny. So I hope it was a joke.

Anywho. I don't have any poems on this account either, does that mean that I have no poems at all.. of course not. Because like some people here, I have 2 accounts. One of them is full of poems.. this one is not.

I only have 1 account, and I find it is hard enough to deal with as it is, dunno why i'd want two.

Unless you have multiple personality disorder like Bob. Then you need your average, normal account, and your super hero account.

My bad on confusing JTC with Ken. oops sorry.

About me having 2 accounts, I have em because I can. It's not against the rules. The day it becomes agains the rules, I'll stop using one immedietely.

Sometimes there are some heated (Respectful) conversations on certain topics. I don't want my views to interfere with my poems. Whether I believe in abortion, a type of religion etc.

And when have I been deceptive? Logic dictates that if I was going to be deceptive, it would be with the account that don't have the poems.. this one. Never have I disrespected anyone. So you are jumping the gun.. but I understand what you mean. :)

We DO know that if this account gets banned, both accounts get banned? Right? The same Ip addresses.

ok I know I'm special, but lets get back to bashing the mods please.

Those no good for nothing mods, hang em all by their toes and beat em like pinatas!!

Thank you

And why would he choose to do that.
Obviously he has the ip addresses and know which account go with which. I hope.

Ok.. where were we. Oh ya, the mods. :) They are great. 3 cheers for the mods everyone!

Hip hip Hooray!
Hip hip Hooray!!
Hip hip Hooray!!!

Que viva la moderaza!!

watch the foreign language ;-)

That covered a lot of stuff.

This thread wasn't really supposed to be one just about the chatroom problem, the chatroom just happens to be one of the more pressing and obnoxious issues.

So I think we should keep the thread open, though I think the traffic will lessen now that all the steam got let out in the initial rush.

"And what's this big deal with the chatroom.. why is it taken soooooooo seriously? It's NOTHING serious. It's just a chat, that's all. This has been blown waaaay out of proportion."

The chatroom is a place where all sorts of people are allowed. Unmoderated, it could be a place for sexual predators to enjoy themselves, or a place were younger folk can accidentally stumble upon conversation that their guardians wouldn't approve of. It's important that it is moderated.

"Obviously it causes more harm than good. And these teenagers can all do what they do in MSN or whatever."

That actually isn't even for the mods to decide. A good deal of them are for closing the chatroom down, but Janis's wishes are the opposite.

And that's that =)

May I take some of this pressure please.

Angelina I repsect your opinions. Ken i do yours too. but could you two stop arguing.

(I know I'll get responded to this badly, but diverting your attention a little bit away from each other will be a good thing so that this post won't get out of control)

"Yes, Sean, I banned a 31 year old member for role playing with a few 13 year old girls just the other week.

You've read the mod forum so you've seen the conversation that took place."

yep yep, I remember all that, really grossed me out.

not sure what exactly you were responding to, my post above was directed towards Angelina,

but yeah, that sort of sexual predator stuff is one of the extremes that moderators have to do their best to help avoid.

"Honestly, tell me if you've seen improvement in the chat room?"

I'll say this. The first time I went into the chatroom was before anyone had chatmod powers.

It is much much better now.

"" was simply saying that it is better to have points against you then be suspended."

What?

Taylor``"

he's saying being suspended would suck! and I agree. besides, there are people who'd really like to see you NOT get suspended Angelina.