real poems are about analysation and hidden meanings.

I believe that real poems need to be analysed and have hidden meanings in them, to reveal what the poem is really about. Does anyone agree with me or have poems like that? A few of my poems are like it.

First I would take out the part saying your poems are like that. It just might make some people think it'skinda promoting.

To me realpoems are ones that make the reader feel the emotions someone put into it. Not that they could relat but that they could relate and explain how they could or picture everything going on.

Exactly what Kaylee said!

When I read a poem, And if I can't feel the emotions the writer wrote. Then, it seems less interesting. 'Cause if I can't feel the emotions and know what is going on. Then how am I meant to know if it's good or not.

I don't think all poems need hidden meanings or anything in them. Just aslong as I can really feel what they are feeling.

To the original poster:

You could have just said, "I really prefer poems that have a deeper meaning that you have to find through careful analysis, like my poems!"

I do have poems like that. I also have poems that don't require analysis. I like them both.

To the original poster:

Or the other end of the spectrum is that poems don't have hidden meanings; it is just the readers who read too deeply into things because they see what they want to see.

Same with Sean^

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I strongly disagree we the original poster!

...and I agree with sean

ok maybe i was a little too precise with what all poems should be! and yes i do like poems that i read and i can feel myself a part of the poem. I just like reading poems that have hidden meanings in lines, such as " string on the back of my hands, i long to strangle him with." so the strings are like a puppet and i'm still being controlled by my ex boyfriend.

so you mean you like metaphors?

yes metaphors, and hidden meanings and things you can analyse.

no thats why i like them because i can't write deep poems. it was a simple example to get my simple point across.

That's my last Duchess painted on the wall,
Looking as if she were alive. I call
That piece a wonder, now: Frà Pandolf's hands
Worked busily a day, and there she stands.
Will't please you sit and look at her? I said
"Frà Pandolf" by design, for never read
Strangers like you that pictured countenance,
The depth and passion of its earnest glance,
But to myselfthey turned (since none puts by
The curtain I have drawn for you, but I) 10
And seemed as they would ask me, if they durst,
How such a glance came there; so, not the first
Are you to turn and ask thus. Sir, 'twas not
Her husband's presence only, called that spot
Of joy into the Duchess' cheek: perhaps
Frà Pandolf chanced to say "Her mantle laps
Over my Lady's wrist too much," or "Paint
Must never hope to reproduce the faint
Half-flush that dies along her throat": such stuff
Was courtesy, she thought, and cause enough 20
For calling up that spot of joy. She had
A heart -- how shall I say? -- too soon made glad,
Too easily impressed; she liked whate'er
She looked on, and her looks went everywhere.
Sir, 'twas all one! My favour at her breast,
The dropping of the daylight in the West,
The bough of cherries some officious fool
Broke in the orchard for her, the white mule
She rode with round the terrace -- all and each
Would draw from her alike the approving speech, 30
Or blush, at least. She thanked men, -- good! but thanked
Somehow -- I know not how -- as if she ranked
My gift of a nine-hundred-years-old name
With anybody's gift. Who'd stoop to blame
This sort of trifling? Even had you skill
In speech -- (which I have not) -- to make your will
Quite clear to such an one, and say, "Just this
Or that in you disgusts me; here you miss,
Or there exceed the mark" -- and if she let
Herself be lessoned so, nor plainly set 40
Her wits to yours, forsooth, and made excuse,
--E'en then would be some stooping, and I choose
Never to stoop. Oh sir, she smiled, no doubt,
Whene'er I passed her; but who passed without
Much the same smile? This grew; I gave commands;
Then all smiles stopped together. There she stands
As if alive. Will't please you rise? We'll meet
The company below, then. I repeat,
The Count your master's known munificence
Is ample warrant that no just pretence 50
Of mine for dowry will be disallowed;
Though his fair daughter's self, as I avowed
At starting, is my object. Nay, we'll go
Together down, sir. Notice Neptune, though,
Taming a sea-horse, thought a rarity,
Which Claus of Innsbruck cast in bronze for me!

voila

I don't think all poems need to be like that to be good. It is very nice when a poem is like that, but none of mine are and I still get wonderful comments.

Poems can be deep like people can.

one of my best poems 'but now i am found' is one that u kinda have to read into a bit to understand and appreciate it...i think thats wot u mean...

All my poems mean something...maybe not directly. Not just any reader could pick up the meaning straight away, but they are all based on events...
All poems have hidden meanings. They don't become real just because a reader starts to analyze them.

:-)

//T.L.//

you guys don't get it. It is all relative. No poem has a meaning until the reader puts one to it. If the writer puts meaning in the poem and the reader doesn't find any then to that reader it has no meaning. It still has meaning to the writer, but it is all relative. You don't go to another country and get mad at the citizens cause you are saying something that they don't understand. To them your words have no meaning. Words rely on the recipient, not necessarily the one speaking. It is relative, just like einstein said.

I see the point of this topic, buttttt...

Does anyone get this?
http://www.poems-and-quotes.com/funny/poems.php?id=639854

;-)

*lol* Well, I also don't see my poems as having hidden meanings. Was drunk most of the time I wrote them.

next time when u feel like writing... don't get drunk... to avatar....

write a poem after you have had a raging fit (as in a tantrum and you've screamed the place down, not a heart attack) its amazing how the words just flow out.

i agree with you, and totally know where you are coming from, some of mine i belive do have hidden messages, but im not sure if ppl ick up in them..lol.. take care kirsty palmer xx

Cool, Hayley. Sounds like fun. :)

it is trust i have raging fits every day, just lets everything come out!!!!

simplistic poems you know and understand and can relate to already but if you're talking about real poems they always have hidden meanings like my poem i wrote awhile back, hell even i'm still trying to figure it out myself today cause it has so many meanings.

aaahhh, Hayley, that poem reminded me of english 101 reading Chaucer. I couldn't even read it all the way through. that language is just...ahhhh~!

lol its a bit errhhh....whats it going on about!!!!! but i love poems like that. once you've read it a couple hundred times you can finally begin to analyse it and reveal its deeper meanings.

I think that poems can be analyzed and have a meaning behind them, but others are written just because that is what the person was feeling at the time the poem was written.......... Poems were written in my opinion for both purposes.

~jay~

i agree but it is hard for me to write like that i get meaning from dennontation not connotation

i think metaphors make a poem work

"I can show you thousands of poets whose poems are real, yet there are no hidden messages weaved into the verses."

Yes please can i have 3,000 names.
(Is looking forward to this one)

"real poems are about analysation and hidden meanings."
Correction: "I think real poems are about analysation and hidden meanings."
No, A poem does not have to be analized and full of hidden meanings in order for it to be "real", I think. Go look upa definition for a poem, okay? That's what a poem is. poems are described in different ways. Like intense poems and sad poems and happy poems and inspirational poems and good poems. Poems can be well written or have good meanings.
but tell me, what exactly is a "real" poem? What's a fake poem?

ok i must admit i was a bit angry when i wrote this post and what i meant to say has come out totally wrong!
what i was getting at is what many of you have written that i really like poems that are full of hidden meanings metaphors and can be analysed.
Of course poems can be about anything thats the best thing about them.