Bush is declaring war on North Korea!?!?!?!

Most people know the control over the dark side of the force that Karl Rove has, the power of Saudi Arabi and all the links and family ties there, then there are the tenuous Illuminati links which always raise a chuckle, then there is the skulls thing, but Kerry played that game too and look where it got him. On the serious side, as most people know this, why do they still blame him and him alone? He didn't manipulate the intel reports, everyone knows he lacks the smarts for that. Neither did he leak a CIA agent's name to the press but the blame goes where the people want it to lie.

As for oil, Iraq doesn't produce that much compared to Saudi Arabia, Oman, United Arab Emirates, Kuwait etc blah blah, so if it really was an oil producing battle why go there other than the threay Saddam had in the first place? Saudi Arabia would have been a much more suitable target as far as oil production goes.

Israel is a far more interesting topic though, it goes down many avenues and brings up some serious questions. If anyone here can give me the underlying reason that Israel has had support from the U.S. since 1945 I'll send them a lollypop in the post, I PROMISE.

As for the (pro-terrorist) U2 song, you can do that for any politician given enough air time.

Actually I think you'll find the U2 song was pro freedom-fighter. ;-)

Next time you get shot at and receive a burst ear drum from an IRA IED you can call it freedom fighting all you want.

Fact of the matter is, killing women and children, blowing up hotels and other civilian targets and torturing intelligence officers to death (and dumping them in skips with threatening notes stapled to their chests) sounds an awful lot like terrorism to me.

Until you can freely explain those as the acts of freedom fighters I'll stick with my explaination.

Freedom fighters fight to free their country from an oppressive regime, not a government that helps them.

You've got a good point Bret, however if Hitler never CAME to power, then it may never have happened. Same thing with Bush, it may not be just his fault, but it takes HIM to make it happen.

The problem is everyone wants power, and true if someone is causing a serious terrorist threat that something has to happen, i just believe that invading every country is the wrong way to go about it, it just makes people's blood boil, and both sides get hurt, more families ripped apart...

Isn't it funny though that more babies are killed by abortion EVERY DAY in America alone than the number who were killed in the twin towers and yet no one notices...

I don't know how to solve the world's problems but unless we can learn to work together we're all going to flatten the world with nuclear weapons.

Bret, it's all a matter of perspective. You'll note that most Catholics don't see the British government as "helping". One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Classic example here. The Taleban fight against the Soviet forces in Afghanistan: they are brave freedom fighters standing tall against an occupying force. The Taleban fight against Allied forces: they are evil terrorists hiding in caves like wicked and deceitful cowards bent on the elimination of democracy.

"If you beat a man down often enough and hard enough that man will either die, or get up and fight. And be warned: he may not fight the same way you do."

I believe that's a quote from the American Civil War...

The Taleban system and regime changed after Soviet occupation ended. Without anyone to fight they chose a new target, freedom itself. 9/11 was based on bringing democracy and freedom to its knees. The free world* was the target and they didn't care who was killed or what the consequences would be.

True, I'll admit the Soviet occupation can be considered as the root cause of Taleban terrorism, but it is still terrorism and there is no excuse.

If the Ireland situation is freedom fighting then why are they masked? why are they silent killers? why do they kill their own people and not just their English oppressors? I'll tell you why, there has been no oppression for well over a century and so they kill protestants even if they've been living in the country for 8 generations. That is not a slight defintion of freedom fighting.

You're either Irish or not and cowards who park cars full of explosives to kill families as they go shopping on the weekend are not freedom fighters regardless of perspective.

Just like the Taleban, they may have been freedom fighters when the land was first taken six centuries ago, I'd even go so far as to agree with you up until 1945 (and I'm really pushing it), but not now, they evolved just in the same fashion as the Taleban have.

*ironic because USA is a "democratic republic" not a true democracy like Switzerland for example.

America may not be a democracy but it partly is and its the world leader in a sense.

Actually I see America as a plutocracy rather than a true democracy. I think that's essentially how it became a two party system. Look at the money spent by the Dimocrats and the Republikkkans ('scuse my spelling) in order to maintain a political stranglehold on the nation: the prettier the stickers and the bigger the parties, the more power they seem to wield. Everything is about personality and nothing seems to be about the party manifesto.

As for the IRA: I remember reading that they based almost all of their actions on the highly successful methods employed specifically by the Maquis units of the 1940s occupied France.

And just to clarify: I do not condone violent actions against ANY civilians, in any conflict anywhere in the world. But military targets are always fair game if the opposition are fighting for what they believe in. It's a fundament of any conflict.

*lol* I really did have a good laugh at all you paranoid stricken people. Shame. Must be hard living in a place where the terrorists are leaping out of every tree? Grow up people. There's a lot more to life than being stressed out about some missile tests. U.S.A does tests like that all the time. You don't see us South Africans shittin our pants each time something happens in the world?

True, but how many nukes are currently armed and aimed at South Africa? In fact has South Africa ever had to deal with any kind of nuclear threat?

South Africa doesn't need to worry about such things: it has enough domestic issues of it's own.