Suicide taking the easy way out?

Coward your right

I was too afraid to save someone’s life
Too scared to want to live mine
Too tired to sleep
Too weary to care

Terrified of heights
Too confused to think
Too embarrassed to ask for help
Too ashamed to be me

In the end I couldn’t jump, not because I was a coward not because I was running away from life. Not because I had suddenly found your Jesus. You can have your cross.

It was because of a photo. Old black and white photo of three polish Jews, three female partisans in the Warsaw ghetto. They had done everything possible to survive and fight the Germans. They were being executed yet they held each others hands and there was no fear in their eyes. Wanting to live through that …………… makes you put things in perspective.

What worries me is that this thread is concentrates on bravery or cowardice which is really quite pointless. We should be giving advice on what helps and a little understanding. Not trying to judge people.

another person with a great point. i very much agree. that's very well stated.

Im not sure I understand you point Bob, could you elaborate a little.

I have know three people who have killed themselves. One was very sudden (his wife of thirty years left him and he shot himself). I don't think he had the time to consider anything rationally, I just regret I didn't help hm when I had the chance.

Another a school friend jumped from a building this person was threaded by most at school as a freak, (maybe it just built up, we had no real warning)

The final ones someone I became friendly at work with and this was quite recent, ( a car in a garage/exhaust). I suspect this person wasn't hetrosexual , again I'm not sure why.

You all want to debate if they were cowardly or whatever. I just miss them dearly all I would accuse them of is being my friend.

To promote cutting and suicide to the children who will buy the dolls?

-Jenna.

They don't make a lesbian barbie either Bob, lol.

I sometimes wonder that the people who post negative comments have lost people close to them. Maybe they are still angry at the ones they miss and haven't been able to forgive them.

Looking back to the period when I wasn't coping the thing that stick out most was I wasn't in control of my mind and I wasn't really able to analysis things mentally.

I wasn't capable of considering the damage to people around me, I didn't comprehend that jumping from a height I could have ended up with brain damage, paralysed for someone else to look after.

I went years with a couple of hours sleep a night, I felt physicaly sick and it was like a constant hangover. I didn't stop loving the people around me and if it wasn't for friend at work that I eventual asked to help me (broke down in tears) I wouldn't have got the help I needed.

Ibelieve its great that people can post here andtalk about it. I hide the way I felt, I was scared and embarrissed

So I don't think your true friends abandon the ship they just fall overboard. Maybe f theres someone you have lost you should try to understand and forgive.

Jenna, my statement does not need rephrasing its clearly in line with my first and initial statement...

I said it because it didn't make sense the way it was written until Bob told me what you meant.

-Jenna.

Look at things from the person's point of view, sure the quote that suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem but some problems last years and well to that person the thought of waking up having to live another day is terrifying. Each day only killing the person more, physically, mentally and emotionally draining just to live another day. I turned in to a robot as you might say I just sat back as I watched my life go down.

Seriously have you any idea what that is like? That may just be a control issue for myself, some people are hurt so bad in life they fear help, thinking that others will think less of them if they admit to having problems and it will prove to others that they give up, suicide will also say that the person has given up.

Should people who really feel they have no way to go be condemned here by people such as Angelina, Eibutsina and Christians to the lions.

What if the person has tried to deal with it but no one listened to them? Have you ever thought of that for some one who feels lost and alone in the world, maybe they have tried to build their life back up after it has been torn down but some times if their world has been torn down to many times they give up trying to fix it all.

I do not immediately think that suicide is showing that some one is weak it just shows where some one's breaking point is, that they have handled every piece of crap life has thrown at them and now they don't have the resources to handle anything else, if anything it just shows what they can handle.

For that person it will be the end of their line, it is only a sign saying 'That's it I can't handle anymore' in other words they are admitting that they are unable to cope, admitting a weakness which should be in a way admired for saying that after all they just admitted they do have a big problem. They also should not be told they are weak with a fragile state of mind such things could just send them over the edge it takes very little to do that. Should we be called weak just cause we have handled everything else life gives us but we can't handle anymore? We are not weak, we have put up so far with everything else, a constant battle each and every day just to breath for another minute.

Committing/attempting suicide over small things such as being dumped or for no reason I do find rather stupid but that is my opinion, maybe that person just can't handle a lot well, but if it is the result of a few years of suffering then it is serious and that will show how much that person can deal with, these people should not be condemned but helped, to rebuild their lives, who knows maybe they are just tired of it all.

I agree that they should not be judged as being weak and cowardly. It is a stupid thing to label someone as fragile as the people who think about commiting suicide.

-Jenna.

hey hey hey... a little more respect would be nice. im not saying you should agree with the person. just keep it respectful.

your sayin when somebody talks about it means they only want attention? I half agree...my cousin talked about it and she did it...I talked to her I gave her attention and she did it anyways...but my other cousin never talked about it and he left leavin us confused... but to say it's for cowards could piss somebody who has had loved ones do it...I mean it is selfish but isn't it selfish to have wanted them to stay so u won't feel pain?...makin them suffer so you wont feel loss?...I'm not sayin it's okay to do it...okay it hurts yes it does but all the shit my cuz been thru...i don't know if I could have lived thru that!

boo.

well have you ever been raped nine times? have you ever watched someone die in your arms?....have you experienced any kinda hardcore pain like that?....I guess you go through so much pain you become numb and cold hearted...

Kaydence we have all experienced our fair share of problems, yours arent any more or less significant than anyone elses.
It is not how we fall, but how we rise from our falls that count...just because you've had a hard life doesnt mean you should kill yourself, quite the opposite it means your a survivor and your here for a reason or God would take your life Himself...who said life was supposed to be easy anyways? Make the most of what you have, and learn from your experiences to better yourself and help others...

boo.

people have their reasons why they do it...and I don't entirely know why she did it...I jus told how she suffered...read above...lol

Bumping up, because of the spam threads.

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this kind of thread is the kind to have so many arguments in it

ive been on the point of suicide before, but i didnt do it and im glad because ive had lots of good times since then but now im back in the same feelings i dont no
i think suicide is spontanious, its done in the moment when you really cant see any other way out and you think your situation can only get worse.
i dont think suicide is the easy way out but that dosnt mean its the right one
i heard a story of a man who jumped of one of the empire state bulidings... he woke up about 2 hours later on the bacony bellow and he spoke to reporters about a month later and was really happy he hadnt succeeded

if it is selfish or not why would you care when your feeling thhat much pain in your life and if someone who wanted to commit suiside was told it was selfish that really woldnt make there situation any better because they would just feel more guilt

i dont think you should be able to judge someones reasons because we all suffer differently

mememex

Im glad your not attempting to kill yourself Kaydence :o) *wipes brow*
I do understand you were trying to tell a story about someone and justify there reasons for suicide but in my opinion there is no justification for that, we all experience terrible miseries, we all hurt and feel pain, I guess the majority of us even think about doing it when things get really tough, I know I even have...but to actually do it, to be so gutless as to not to try and rise above and deal with whatever is going on in your life is a terrible and unforgivable tragedy. Its the aftermath of emotions and people that suicide victims leave behind and the profound effect it has on everyone they have come into contact with that is the most selfish...

Look at it from this angle as well.

If people are online and trying to find help among stangers could be because in their life they have no one to talk to about such an issue. Either through fear or lack of trust. Should they not be encouraged to sort out their life and not be scorned like they may fear - in the first place - for having some thoughts and feelings when they may feel so numb and lost. Guidance is needed not criticism.

^^ If you actually read what most of us write, it IS guidance. We don't go "aaaah hun poor u, me 2" Because that isn't advice, that isn't going to help. We are giving advice, sometimes it can seem harsh, but people need to hear the truth or their surround themselevs with self pity and never do something about how they feel.

It's tough, and it can sound harsh, but it helps a lot better than false sympathy.